Kerry is going to win.

A conservative is a liberal who hasn't lived.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
news
Left wing wacko's are not just losing, but losers.

A conservative is a liberal that has been mugged.

We are polarized because terrorist attacks increase
the number or conservatives willing to fight for what
they believe in, and increase the number of frightened
liberal sheepeople that hope to appease the bad guys.

"Horvath" wrote

Huh? That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. You are saying you
can't form opinions from the facts?

That is the looniest, cockamamie, left-wing, whacko **** I ever heard.
No wonder you left-wing whackos are losing.

Bart Senior wrote:
We are polarized because terrorist attacks

We are polarized because a few people (who might normally have better
sense) have been seduced by right wing hate radio into vocally
supporting fascism instead of democracy.

We are polarized because we have a President who announces that he is a
"uniter, not a divider" yet tramples Consitutional rights and all
disagreement with his pre-chosen agenda.

Rush Limbaugh and his ilk were preaching hatred against liberals long
before Sept 11th. They refused to acknowledge Clinton as their
President, as did you Bart; and they despise freedom and will extinguish
it if allowed to.

We are polarized because guys like you call guys like me traitors and
not only refuse to think better of it, but apparently feel no remorse.

DSK

PS here are two quotes that sum it up for you...

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the
intelligent are full of doubt
--Bertrand Russell

Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice
of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of
increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to
all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear
--Harry S. Truman

On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:06:29 -0500, "FamilySailor" wrote:

Hey I hear lots of talk about how Kerry's voting record is very Liberal and
grounds for not voting for him.
I have not been able to find a list of the record, that is considered to be
bad.

Anyone know what they are talking about or a link that lists them?

I have heard one or two specific ones, but nothing that would constitute a
list.

Inquiring Minds What to Know!!


Here is a link that you might find helpful

http://ideamouth.com/respect.htm#Senate

On 6 Aug 2004 14:17:05 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:50:16 GMT, felton said:

Here is a link that you might find helpful

http://ideamouth.com/respect.htm#Senate

Now there's a really reliable and unbiased source. A propaganda web site
authored by a "media specialist" at the "Arts Academy in the Woods."


Well, I could respond to your post in your traditional manner...don't
like the message, attack the messenger....but I won't. I guess it
would be too much to ask for you to actually refute any specifics, but
specifics don't really count for you guys anyway, do they?

Don't worry Dave, your painful and ultimately fruitless task of
defending this administration will soon be over. Then you guys will
experience a return to the Golden Age of Republican whining and
blaming, rather than defending. It is so much easier to hatch those
conspiracy theories than it is to weave together any plausible excuses
for this group.

I also look forward to those days. I'll probably remove the AM button
from my radio and program all my FM stations to either NPR or
Classical Perhaps I'll move to Vermont and drive a Hybrid car and
spend my days drinking French wines. Feel free to drop by..but call
first

On 6 Aug 2004 16:19:19 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:25:04 GMT, felton said:

I guess it
would be too much to ask for you to actually refute any specifics

Why bother? The site is so obviously a compendium of statements of the party
line I don't think anyone would take it seriously.

A compendium of very *specific* statements, complete with sources. I
commend you on your honest approach to denial, though. Avoid
specifics that can be refuted and stick with your preferred method
of cryptic dismissal.

Doug,

Think about the left wing agenda promoted by the media.
How can you complain about the right wing, when the left
virtually controls the media.

I would have stayed out of this entire political discussion this
year if it were not for the constant stream of liberal extremism.
And, I've provided numerous examples of how liberal
extremism bashes America.

President Bush supports the Constitution and the 2nd
Amendment, while Kerry has trampled this whenever possible,
without exception. This is one of the most fundamental
rights listed only after freedom of religion and speech.

When it comes to name calling, and lying, the liberals
outdo the conservatives by a huge margin. They don't need
a shred of proof--the end justifies the means. Is that the
American way? Or a sign of desperation? Or of stupidity?

Limbaugh doesn't preach, he talks about the stupidity of
liberal extremism with humor.

The Democrats had a chance to chose a reasonable moderate,
with common sense, Sen. Lieberman. He is a man who doesn't
flip flop around and, has conviction and common sense. This
year extremism won, because Bush is basically a moderate
with conviction.

I support President Bush and feel he needs another term to
finish what he started. Kerry is a vacant empty man. The
only ones worse liberals are Kennedy and Dean.

It really is double or nothing this year.


"DSK" wrote

We are polarized because a few people (who might normally have better
sense) have been seduced by right wing hate radio into vocally
supporting fascism instead of democracy.

We are polarized because we have a President who announces that he is a
"uniter, not a divider" yet tramples Consitutional rights and all
disagreement with his pre-chosen agenda.

Rush Limbaugh and his ilk were preaching hatred against liberals long
before Sept 11th. They refused to acknowledge Clinton as their
President, as did you Bart; and they despise freedom and will extinguish
it if allowed to.

We are polarized because guys like you call guys like me traitors and
not only refuse to think better of it, but apparently feel no remorse.

DSK

PS here are two quotes that sum it up for you...

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the
intelligent are full of doubt
--Bertrand Russell

Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice
of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of
increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to
all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear
--Harry S. Truman

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
et...
Doug,

Think about the left wing agenda promoted by the media.
How can you complain about the right wing, when the left
virtually controls the media.


The only US media that we see over here is Fox and CNN. Neither seems to be
very left wing.





Regards


Donal
--

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
et...
No I think the average American is stupid, and the
proof is the number of liberals.


Well, you can thank your lucky stars that it doesn't require a majority to
elect the President!


Regards


Donal
--

Bart Senior wrote:
Doug,

Think about the left wing agenda promoted by the media.

Why?

How can you complain about the right wing, when the left
virtually controls the media.

If that were true, there would be no Fox News, no Rush Limbaugh, etc
etc. Actually the right controls more of the media than the left, look
at who was lobbying the FCC recently to change the rules about ownership
limits.


I would have stayed out of this entire political discussion this
year if it were not for the constant stream of liberal extremism.
And, I've provided numerous examples of how liberal
extremism bashes America.

President Bush supports the Constitution

Sorry, locking up citizens without trial and keeping *everything* the
gov't does as secret as possible, and spending money not authorized by
Congress, is not "supporting the Constitution" in my book. In fact he
wants to amend the Constitution to meddle in citizen's private affairs,
or at least he says he does.


... while Kerry has trampled this (2nd Amendm't) whenever possible,
without exception.

In other words, on this single issue, you feel that Bush is great and
Kerry is the "Spawn of Satan" in your words.


... This is one of the most fundamental
rights listed only after freedom of religion and speech.



Perhaps you feel that religious freedom is over rated?

Bush has taken *my* tax money and used it to support churches I don't
believe in. Perhaps you feel that Bush was appointed by God to rule over
us? Some people do, and they are usually pretty vocal about it. Perhaps
you feel that people who disagree with you should not only be killed,
but cast into a pit of fire?

As for freedom of speech, it seems to me that you are against it. For
speaking the way I do, you called me a traitor.

I have pointed to very sound reasons why I hold the opinions I do. You
have posted a LOT of right-wing propaganda, most of which falls apart
pretty quickly when examined. Have you convinced anybody to join your side?

DSK

Maybe we should change the name to the
Divided States of America!

"Donal" wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote
....
No I think the average American is stupid, and the
proof is the number of liberals.

Well, you can thank your lucky stars that it doesn't require a majority to
elect the President!