DSK said:
This is nothing but a trumped-up advertising campaign, of no more
substance or merit that a Pepsi commercial.


Dave wrote:
Hmm. Supported by only a small minority of 220 out of 229?

In other words, 220 out of 229 Vietnam vets who *might* have some
possible tracable connection to Kerry decided that they would become
paid shills for Bush. It seems likely to me that many of these names
quoted are totally fictional anyway.


I notice that there are *no* veterans who served with GWB Jr coming
forward to say whether he was even there, much less how fit for command
he is. Oops, sorry, that's "changing the subject" isn't it?

It comes down to what you want to believe. You and Bart (and many
others) hate & despise Kerry... you want to believe anything bad about
him. IMHO that's not a good foundation for voting one way or the other,
and even less of a justification for making numerous & vehement public
statements.

DSK

On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:20:31 -0400, DSK wrote:

DSK said:
This is nothing but a trumped-up advertising campaign, of no more
substance or merit that a Pepsi commercial.


Dave wrote:
Hmm. Supported by only a small minority of 220 out of 229?

In other words, 220 out of 229 Vietnam vets who *might* have some
possible tracable connection to Kerry decided that they would become
paid shills for Bush. It seems likely to me that many of these names
quoted are totally fictional anyway.


I notice that there are *no* veterans who served with GWB Jr coming
forward to say whether he was even there, much less how fit for command
he is. Oops, sorry, that's "changing the subject" isn't it?

It comes down to what you want to believe. You and Bart (and many
others) hate & despise Kerry... you want to believe anything bad about
him. IMHO that's not a good foundation for voting one way or the other,
and even less of a justification for making numerous & vehement public
statements.

DSK

It makes you wonder what the standard is. These same "Republicans"
were smearing John McCain in the last election. It seems they go to
great efforts to find the least qualified candidate and then spend all
their efforts trying to tear down those obviously more qualified.
There is no room for a moderate in the Republican Party, although they
will certain hide behind one of the few they still have left.

It certainly makes you wonder what the *real* agenda is. I suspect if
you dig a little deeper it is all about the relatively quiet issues of
abortion and Gawd and sex education and all the other right wing
cultural crap that they know they can't win with. They float these
"gay marriage" balloons to keep the barking seals of the right wing
happy and energized, but otherwise spouting all this other nonsense
just makes them look silly to the rest of us.

felton wrote:
It certainly makes you wonder what the *real* agenda is.

It doesn't make me wonder at all. I grew up with these people, or at
least their very close cultural & intellectual & spiritual & civic kin.
They are the KKKers and the John Birchers and the Bible-thumping whackos
who want to burn witches & keep slaves, and they are closely allied with
a number of large business interests (specifically oil & military
contracting) who see a gravy train.

Don't kid yourself, there is a strong possibility that President Bush
will get reelected. I don't remember if you're old enough to remember
the 1972 election... Nixon got reelected by a landslide, in the midst of
the most obvious corruption & Constitutional violations in history.
Jesse Helms, one of the last of the pea-brained old-time
fire-and-brimstone ******-bashing politicians, got elected in that same
race.

There are a lot of people out there who really really want this type of
"leadership." They are all going to get out & vote.

At the same time, Republicans have had four years to get their paws into
the election machinery and corrupt the process. This time, look for
large numbers of military absentee ballots to get "lost" and even larger
numbers of suspicious purges of the voter rolls.

... They float these
"gay marriage" balloons to keep the barking seals of the right wing
happy and energized

And that was a bit of rather cunical posturing. There is no chance at
all of getting a Constitutional amendment on that issue. They
deliberately chose the method of legally supressing gay marriage with
the lowest odds of success, and trumpet it to all the witch-burners.

... but otherwise spouting all this other nonsense
just makes them look silly to the rest of us.

Boths sides look pretty silly to me; but given a choice between plunging
the country into debt for the sake of Halliburton profits, ignoring
terrorism, weakening the military, shredding the Constitution,
alienating once-staunch allies, and turning the country into a de facto
militarist plutocracy... well let's just say I don't see that as a
"choice." And that's ignoring domestic issues such as health care,
education, & the environment.

DSK

DSK wrote in message news:gsuPc.3626$vp.3264@bignews2.



Slave owning, KKK'n, oilfield trashin, military wackos, fire and
Brimstone bible thumpin, pea brained, ****** bashing, witch
burning..people looking to hop on a gravy chain by starting
wars....That's truly how you see republicans?

Sheeeze you have some issues to deal with....This is 2004 not 1960

Did Kerry pay you to write that extreme propaganda? Our did you steal
it from M. Moore?

Joe

Joe wrote:
....That's truly how you see republicans?

That is how I see some Republicans because that is how they are.

There are some Democrats who are just as bad, but not as many and
nowhere near as loud-mouthed about it.


Sheeeze you have some issues to deal with....This is 2004 not 1960

Meaning what? That it's well past the dawning of the Age of Aquarius?

Got news for you, Joe, some things never change.


Did Kerry pay you to write that extreme propaganda?

It is not propaganda, it's the truth. Did you like it? Maybe I should
change jobs.

Anyway, considering that one reason you support Bush is that he kills
large numbers of rag-heads, you should be proud to be a member of at
least some of the groups I mentioned.

DSK

On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 20:33:52 -0400, DSK wrote:

Joe wrote:
....That's truly how you see republicans?

That is how I see some Republicans because that is how they are.

I'll suggest a compromise. I was watching the Tonight Show last week
when Michael Moore was on and he made the fair point that he doesn't
consider the kinds of folks you are describing as Republicans, because
there are some "good Republicans." His term for these folks was
"Hatriots" (rhymes with Patriots). I think he is right. In the same
way that much of AM Talk Radio is really "hate radio" these days, all
aimed as the evil "liberals", this has become the means by which the
Republicans cling to power, even in the face of elections where they
can't win popular support. They have a great PR campaign going 24/7
convincing the kinds of folks you are describing that they are all
fighting against the evil (insert target group
here...minority/gay/Godless/liberal, etc) together. In the meantime,
their policies are benefitting the ultra-rich while screwing the
middle class and the poor. Now those ultra-rich..those are
Republicans





There are some Democrats who are just as bad, but not as many and
nowhere near as loud-mouthed about it.


Sheeeze you have some issues to deal with....This is 2004 not 1960

Meaning what? That it's well past the dawning of the Age of Aquarius?

Got news for you, Joe, some things never change.


Did Kerry pay you to write that extreme propaganda?

It is not propaganda, it's the truth. Did you like it? Maybe I should
change jobs.

Anyway, considering that one reason you support Bush is that he kills
large numbers of rag-heads, you should be proud to be a member of at
least some of the groups I mentioned.

DSK wrote in message .. .
Joe wrote:
....That's truly how you see republicans?

That is how I see some Republicans because that is how they are.

There are some Democrats who are just as bad, but not as many and
nowhere near as loud-mouthed about it.


Sheeeze you have some issues to deal with....This is 2004 not 1960

Meaning what? That it's well past the dawning of the Age of Aquarius?

Got news for you, Joe, some things never change.


Did Kerry pay you to write that extreme propaganda?

It is not propaganda, it's the truth. Did you like it? Maybe I should
change jobs.

Anyway, considering that one reason you support Bush is that he kills
large numbers of rag-heads, you should be proud to be a member of at
least some of the groups I mentioned.


If they are AlQueida rag heads, or Saddams murdering torturing rag
heads then you are correct, that is one reason I support Bush and our
troops. Id rather kill them before they kill us.

And I do support domestic production of Oil vs being held hostage by
the Saudis.

Joe










DSK

DSK wrote in message .. .
Joe wrote:
....That's truly how you see republicans?

That is how I see some Republicans because that is how they are.


Well Doug some democrats that I see are.

K-mart wearin, Welfare cheese eating, Koolaid drinking, baby
murdering, Tax Rasing, Hanoi Jane lovin, UN controlled, Barbra S.
listening, prison populating, Al Sharpton Jessie & Micheal Jackson
worshiping, unemployable, beggin, welfare check cashing, food stamp
spending, VW, yugo driving, tree huggin, French smellin, gay
supporting, project or trailor living, crack addicted, flag burning,
un-educated, lazy good for nothing protestors that rather spit on a
sailor, that support him. Poopin babies out as fast as they can to
increase the welfare check so they can buy more crack.


Joe

With the exception of the bible thumpin part I thought you were describing
Democrats, then I read the dates, put it in context and realized that back
then there were Christians in the Democrat party. Just change thumpin to
hatin', and you'll easily see it was the Democrats beingdescribed. There
famous for running military ops and then running . .. .that certainly
qualifes as wacko.



Slave owning, KKK'n, oilfield trashin, military wackos, fire and
Brimstone bible thumpin, pea brained, ****** bashing, witch
burning..people looking to hop on a gravy chain by starting
wars....That's truly how you see republicans?

Sheeeze you have some issues to deal with....This is 2004 not 1960

Did Kerry pay you to write that extreme propaganda? Our did you steal
it from M. Moore?

Joe