If you think you know the racing rules, give this one a try

http://www.nadn.navy.mil/SailingTeam.../rules2002.pdf

I got three wrong, but disagree with the answer for 22-D

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

I think the answer to 22 is C. I'd say it should not be D because that
would not require a substantial course change...

Cheers

DSK wrote:

If you think you know the racing rules, give this one a try

http://www.nadn.navy.mil/SailingTeam.../rules2002.pdf

I got three wrong, but disagree with the answer for 22-D

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Nav wrote:
I think the answer to 22 is C. I'd say it should not be D because that
would not require a substantial course change...

Oddly enough, that's the answer from the test key... did you peek?

Anyway, when does "substantial" become the object of the rule? You
should not expect a boat with rights (although otherwise burdened) to
forced to sail over an obstruction just because the obstruction is "a
small one."

If there already exists enough room, then it's fine. If there is not,
the boat must have the right to get it.

DSK

DSK wrote:
Nav wrote:

I think the answer to 22 is C. I'd say it should not be D because that
would not require a substantial course change...


Oddly enough, that's the answer from the test key... did you peek?


No, peek at what -I thought you said the site gave the answer as "D".

Anyway, when does "substantial" become the object of the rule? You
should not expect a boat with rights (although otherwise burdened) to
forced to sail over an obstruction just because the obstruction is "a
small one."


I think the issue here is safety. Since forcing another to tack may give
a strategic advantage the reason for that call must be legititmate. In
other words, the course change needed to avoid the object is so large
that the boat would really suffer in position. I think the idea is that
a simple little dip or luff to pass a narrow obstruction doesn't cost
much if the action is taken early enough?

Cheers

Nav wrote:
DSK wrote:
Nav wrote:

I think the answer to 22 is C. I'd say it should not be D because that
would not require a substantial course change...

Oddly enough, that's the answer from the test key... did you peek?

No, peek at what -I thought you said the site gave the answer as "D".

Anyway, when does "substantial" become the object of the rule? You
should not expect a boat with rights (although otherwise burdened) to
forced to sail over an obstruction just because the obstruction is "a
small one."


I think the issue here is safety.

Yup.

It's quite clear that "safety" is an important concept in applying rule
19. The 2005 rules are ever more explicit than the current ones (might
as well get used to them, we'll all be subject to them in another six
months):

When approaching an obstruction, a boat sailing close-hauled or
above may hail for room to tack and avoid another boat on the
same tack. However, she shall not hail unless safety requires her
to make a substantial course change to avoid the obstruction.

If you can avoid the obstruction merely by bearing off a few degrees and
passing the obstruction to leeward, then rule 19 doesn't come into play.
All the choices except D can be dealt with by bearing off and passing
them to leeward.

I'm with youse guys. The correct answer is C, not D.
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Walt wrote:
If you can avoid the obstruction merely by bearing off a few degrees and
passing the obstruction to leeward, then rule 19 doesn't come into play.
All the choices except D can be dealt with by bearing off and passing
them to leeward.

I'm with youse guys. The correct answer is C, not D.

http://www.nadn.navy.mil/SailingTeam...002answers.pdf

It's A, C, and E.

I was arguing not about tacking (rule 19) but simply room to pass the
obstruction (rule 18). If there is *any* change of course required to
safely pass the obstruction *and* the likely position of it's ground
tackle, then IMHO the boat is entitled to room. I'd agree that asking
for room to tack at a small marker or speed bouy would not be silly.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King