Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

Actually the French, the Swiss and the Swedes and to some extent the
Belgians have owned that national description for quite a long time. The
British, land of my immediate ancestors on one side, don't qualify anymore.
They have no industry left.



Still, I suspect that the world would be a safer place if your government
didn't consist of people who owned shares in various arms manufacturing
corporations.



Regards


Donal
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Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

Kerry and Edwards are candidates with $1 to 3
billion dollars, and $70 million, respectively.

What is this business of taking everybody else's money
to feed and clothe people? Why not just do it themselves
if they really care?

Because they never use their own money, folks. It's
always yours. Because they really don't care.

They are just greedy for more money, and politics is
about making money for themselves. It's not really about
helping others.

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

Bart
It seems the Democrats take your cash and give it to the needy.... the
Republicans take it and give it to the rich... either way you're losing
money! ;-)

CM

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
. ..
| Kerry and Edwards are candidates with $1 to 3
| billion dollars, and $70 million, respectively.
|
| What is this business of taking everybody else's money
| to feed and clothe people? Why not just do it themselves
| if they really care?
|
| Because they never use their own money, folks. It's
| always yours. Because they really don't care.
|
| They are just greedy for more money, and politics is
| about making money for themselves. It's not really about
| helping others.
|
|

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

What the hell are you talking about? The smartest thing the republicans have
done is to cause people who should have nothing in common to think alike with
them. Crafty *******s.
Though the others are a bunch too.
Gov.

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

Hahahahahaa.... sure whatever.

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
. ..
Kerry and Edwards are candidates with $1 to 3
billion dollars, and $70 million, respectively.

What is this business of taking everybody else's money
to feed and clothe people? Why not just do it themselves
if they really care?

Because they never use their own money, folks. It's
always yours. Because they really don't care.

They are just greedy for more money, and politics is
about making money for themselves. It's not really about
helping others.

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
. ..

They are just greedy for more money, and politics is
about making money for themselves. It's not really about
helping others.


Sheesh! They sound just like Republicans.

Still, I suspect that the world would be a safer place if your government
didn't consist of people who owned shares in various arms manufacturing
corporations.



Regards


Donal
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Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:43:54 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Hahahahahaa.... sure whatever.


It's true, Bozo. Kerry makes millions a year off the profits that his
wife makes. Why do you think he's spending millions of dollars that
he's raised to get a $250K job?

He could be on the board of a ketchup factory and make four times
that, and never show up for a meeting.

Do you think he gives a rat's ass about you? or any of us?



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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
Kerry and Edwards are candidates with $1 to 3
billion dollars, and $70 million, respectively.

What is this business of taking everybody else's money
to feed and clothe people? Why not just do it themselves
if they really care?

Because they never use their own money, folks. It's
always yours. Because they really don't care.

They are just greedy for more money, and politics is
about making money for themselves. It's not really about
helping others.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

Talk about STOOOOPID!!

President Clinton signed legislation that increased the presidential salary
to $400,000, effective January 2001.

At least take 30 seconds and do a google search before you post.
It'll save you a lot of embarrassment.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:43:54 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Hahahahahaa.... sure whatever.


It's true, Bozo. Kerry makes millions a year off the profits that his
wife makes. Why do you think he's spending millions of dollars that
he's raised to get a $250K job?

He could be on the board of a ketchup factory and make four times
that, and never show up for a meeting.

Do you think he gives a rat's ass about you? or any of us?



"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
Kerry and Edwards are candidates with $1 to 3
billion dollars, and $70 million, respectively.

What is this business of taking everybody else's money
to feed and clothe people? Why not just do it themselves
if they really care?

Because they never use their own money, folks. It's
always yours. Because they really don't care.

They are just greedy for more money, and politics is
about making money for themselves. It's not really about
helping others.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

Bart Senior wrote:
Kerry and Edwards are candidates with $1 to 3
billion dollars, and $70 million, respectively.

What is this business of taking everybody else's money
to feed and clothe people? Why not just do it themselves
if they really care?

Take a close look at who donates more to charities, Bart. You are
sprinting out onto a very shaky limb.

DSK

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

Nothing shaky about it. The point is simple:

Liberals never use their own money--its always yours.

If Kerry wants my respect, he can start by emptying out
his pockets and backing up his beliefs.

DSK wrote

Bart Senior wrote:
Kerry and Edwards are candidates with $1 to 3
billion dollars, and $70 million, respectively.

What is this business of taking everybody else's money
to feed and clothe people? Why not just do it themselves
if they really care?

Take a close look at who donates more to charities, Bart. You are
sprinting out onto a very shaky limb.

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

Well, in that case, send me your money Bart, since I don't use
mine, I'll use yours.

This is such right-wing trash that it's unbelieveable.

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
. ..
Nothing shaky about it. The point is simple:

Liberals never use their own money--its always yours.

If Kerry wants my respect, he can start by emptying out
his pockets and backing up his beliefs.

DSK wrote

Bart Senior wrote:
Kerry and Edwards are candidates with $1 to 3
billion dollars, and $70 million, respectively.

What is this business of taking everybody else's money
to feed and clothe people? Why not just do it themselves
if they really care?

Take a close look at who donates more to charities, Bart. You are
sprinting out onto a very shaky limb.

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

Bart Senior wrote:
Nothing shaky about it. The point is simple:

Liberals never use their own money--its always yours.

If Kerry wants my respect, he can start by emptying out
his pockets and backing up his beliefs.

Bart, your last few posts have had a resoundingly close-minded tone.
It's to your credit that you pretend you might consider anything good
about Kerry, but I suspect that it's a sham... you might as well believe
that George W. Bush is sent from God to rule over us. Many people do. I
prefer the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights myself.

The facts are simple... George Bush Jr. and Dick Cheney care nothing
about the less fortunate, or even the average person, and their
"compassionate conservatism" is just a gimmick. Neither gives anything
to charity. Teresa Heinz Kerry devotes a considerable percentage of her
wealth, and great deal of time, to running several large charitable
foundations. This is very plain & obvious fact. If it has no impact
whatever on your thinking, then so be it.

DSK

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

Teresa Heinz Kerry devotes a considerable percentage of her
wealth, and great deal of time, to running several large charitable
foundations.

Means nothing. Most wealthy people the likes of Ms Heinz are involved with
charities to build up good will in the community to keep the higher ups in gov.
off their backs when scandels happen.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

George Bush Jr. and Dick Cheney care nothing
about the less fortunate, or even the average person, and their
"compassionate conservatism" is just a gimmick. Neither gives anything
to charity.

Not true and can you prove it. If they gave nothing to charity the press would
have a field day.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

Check into how many food plants Teresa Heinz Kerry has moved from the US to
Mexico. That's caring "about the less fortunate, or even the average person"
Goes along with hubbies pitch about "a better America" and bringing jobs to
America.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

Jon,

Don't you realize how much good John Kerry could
do if he gave some of his wealth to charity? If he
and his wife gave away half of their personal wealth
they would still have enough money to support their
descendants for the next 15 generations.

If they gave away 10% which could be as much as
$300 million! They could do tremendous good.

People with wealth like this, and liberal beliefs
can act on their beliefs.

But no, Kerry is a hypocrite. It's never his money.
--it's always ours. He'd rather vote to increase
spending and raise our taxes, choke off the
economy, and sell us out, while he lives like a king
and a hypocrite.


Jonathan Ganz wrote

Well, in that case, send me your money Bart, since I don't use
mine, I'll use yours.

This is such right-wing trash that it's unbelieveable.

"Bart Senior" wrote

Nothing shaky about it. The point is simple:

Liberals never use their own money--its always yours.

If Kerry wants my respect, he can start by emptying out
his pockets and backing up his beliefs.

DSK wrote

Bart Senior wrote:
Kerry and Edwards are candidates with $1 to 3
billion dollars, and $70 million, respectively.

What is this business of taking everybody else's money
to feed and clothe people? Why not just do it themselves
if they really care?

Take a close look at who donates more to charities, Bart. You are
sprinting out onto a very shaky limb.

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

Teresa Heinz Kerry devotes a considerable percentage of her
wealth, and great deal of time, to running several large charitable
foundations.

SAIL LOCO wrote:
Means nothing.

Oh yeah. If Bush or Cheney gave 1/10th as much as the Kerrys, they'd be
trumpeting it from every rooftop.


... Most wealthy people the likes of Ms Heinz are involved with
charities to build up good will in the community to keep the higher ups in gov.
off their backs when scandels happen.

Huh. Didn't work for Ken Lay, did it?

Oh and check this out

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4732081/

Greed is good.

DSK

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

SAIL LOCO wrote:
Not true and can you prove it. If they gave nothing to charity the press would
have a field day.


Oh, you mean the "liberal biased press" that never mentions Dick
Cheney's stock options or the ever-changing, nebulous reasons fro
starting a war in Iraq, and pretty much ignored the diverting of funds
earmarked for Afghanistan, ditto giving up on finding Osama Bin Laden,
etc etc etc?

The tax returns of Presidential Vice-Presidential candidates are public
records. Don't believe me, look it up yourself. Unless you're more
comfortable repeating old lies.

DSK

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:02:06 -0400, DSK wrote
this crap:

Teresa Heinz Kerry devotes a considerable percentage of her
wealth, and great deal of time, to running several large charitable
foundations.


What office is she running for?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:02:43 -0400, DSK wrote
this crap:


Oh yeah. If Bush or Cheney gave 1/10th as much as the Kerrys, they'd be
trumpeting it from every rooftop.


The Cheneys donated $121,983 to charity in 2002, primarily from a
donation of Mrs. Cheney's royalties from Simon & Schuster on her book
America: A Patriotic Primer and her forthcoming book tentatively
titled A is for Abigail.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0030411-8.html





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

Bart, do you realize how much good Bush/Cheney could do if
they stopped pandering to their corporate friends? The environment,
healthcare, jobs? They could do far more good than Kerry giving 10%.
Get with it man. Bush comes from a family with lots and lots of money
and connections. Cheney made millions working for an oil company
that is now the benefit of the Iraq invasion.

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
Jon,

Don't you realize how much good John Kerry could
do if he gave some of his wealth to charity? If he
and his wife gave away half of their personal wealth
they would still have enough money to support their
descendants for the next 15 generations.

If they gave away 10% which could be as much as
$300 million! They could do tremendous good.

People with wealth like this, and liberal beliefs
can act on their beliefs.

But no, Kerry is a hypocrite. It's never his money.
--it's always ours. He'd rather vote to increase
spending and raise our taxes, choke off the
economy, and sell us out, while he lives like a king
and a hypocrite.


Jonathan Ganz wrote

Well, in that case, send me your money Bart, since I don't use
mine, I'll use yours.

This is such right-wing trash that it's unbelieveable.

"Bart Senior" wrote

Nothing shaky about it. The point is simple:

Liberals never use their own money--its always yours.

If Kerry wants my respect, he can start by emptying out
his pockets and backing up his beliefs.

DSK wrote

Bart Senior wrote:
Kerry and Edwards are candidates with $1 to 3
billion dollars, and $70 million, respectively.

What is this business of taking everybody else's money
to feed and clothe people? Why not just do it themselves
if they really care?

Take a close look at who donates more to charities, Bart. You are
sprinting out onto a very shaky limb.

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

Check into how many US citizen died needlessly in Iraq. Cuts both
ways. The Heinz family does charitable work. We don't hear much
about the Bu****s or the Chumpys.

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"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
Check into how many food plants Teresa Heinz Kerry has moved from the US
to
Mexico. That's caring "about the less fortunate, or even the average
person"
Goes along with hubbies pitch about "a better America" and bringing jobs
to
America.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

Horvath wrote:
The Cheneys donated $121,983 to charity in 2002, primarily from a
donation of Mrs. Cheney's royalties from Simon & Schuster on her book
America: A Patriotic Primer and her forthcoming book tentatively
titled A is for Abigail.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0030411-8.html

In other words, they took this amount as a tax credit using the
averaging system... they didn't really give hand over any actual money.
Dick Cheney also took a deduction for his public speaking, since his
time is so incredibly valuable....

And how does this compare with Teresa Heinz Kerry? Do the words 'small
potatos' come to mind? An odd thing for such 'compassionate conservatives.'

DSK

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

Exactly. She's doing it out of goodness. What has Bu****/Chumpy done
out of goodness?

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"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:02:06 -0400, DSK wrote
this crap:

Teresa Heinz Kerry devotes a considerable percentage of her
wealth, and great deal of time, to running several large charitable
foundations.


What office is she running for?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

DSK wrote

Teresa Heinz Kerry devotes a considerable percentage of her
wealth, and great deal of time, to running several large charitable
foundations.

Is that what she calls her hubby a "charitable foundation":0O

Joe

DSK

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:44:19 -0400, DSK wrote
this crap:


Horvath wrote:
The Cheneys donated $121,983 to charity in 2002, primarily from a
donation of Mrs. Cheney's royalties from Simon & Schuster on her book
America: A Patriotic Primer and her forthcoming book tentatively
titled A is for Abigail.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0030411-8.html

In other words, they took this amount as a tax credit using the
averaging system... they didn't really give hand over any actual money.

Most publishers send you a royalty check. I would assume she turned
this over to a charity.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

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Is that what you call your boyfriend?

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"Joe" wrote in message
om...
DSK wrote

Teresa Heinz Kerry devotes a considerable percentage of her
wealth, and great deal of time, to running several large charitable
foundations.

Is that what she calls her hubby a "charitable foundation":0O

Joe

DSK

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

I didn't see where the Heinz/Kerrys gave any of the tax reduction back. They
benefited far more than the relative paupers, Bush and Cheney.

Huh. Didn't work for Ken Lay, did it?

Oh and check this out

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4732081/

Greed is good.

DSK

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

In other words, they took this amount as a tax credit using the
averaging system... they didn't really give hand over any actual money.

Maybe you can explain what you mean to us slower readers, Doug. Certainly if
she received the royalties as income and donated them, she took a tax
deduction. You wouldn't single her out not to be able to take a deduction
taken by millions and force her to pay tax on income she did not keep but put
to a good charity, now would you?

Dick Cheney also took a deduction for his public speaking, since his
time is so incredibly valuable....

More explanation needed. How would Cheney take a deduction for his public
speaking?

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

Hypocrites say they have heart and don't give. Kerry and company
have tons of money, sit on a platform based on giving to the needy,
and yet give very little relative to their immense wealth.

Likewise the extremist liberals in Hollywood who have big mouths
and deep pockets.

The only one I respect is Rosie O'Donnell. She admits she is overpaid
and gives generously, backing up her political beliefs with her generous
actions.



Jonathan Ganz wrote

Check into how many US citizen died needlessly in Iraq. Cuts both
ways. The Heinz family does charitable work. We don't hear much
about the Bu****s or the Chumpys.

"SAIL LOCO" wrote

Check into how many food plants Teresa Heinz Kerry has moved from the US
to
Mexico. That's caring "about the less fortunate, or even the average
person"
Goes along with hubbies pitch about "a better America" and bringing jobs
to
America.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

DSK wrote in message ...
Horvath wrote:
The Cheneys donated $121,983 to charity in 2002, primarily from a
donation of Mrs. Cheney's royalties from Simon & Schuster on her book
America: A Patriotic Primer and her forthcoming book tentatively
titled A is for Abigail.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0030411-8.html

In other words, they took this amount as a tax credit using the
averaging system... they didn't really give hand over any actual money.
Dick Cheney also took a deduction for his public speaking, since his
time is so incredibly valuable....

And how does this compare with Teresa Heinz Kerry? Do the words 'small
potatos' come to mind? An odd thing for such 'compassionate conservatives.'

DSK

Im sure she makes so much money each year she has to give it away for
tax reasons.

Do a break down on % of total income and you will see the Cheney's
give much more of what they have.

Joe

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

You respect Rosie?? Careful now... she's a lesbian.

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
Hypocrites say they have heart and don't give. Kerry and company
have tons of money, sit on a platform based on giving to the needy,
and yet give very little relative to their immense wealth.

Likewise the extremist liberals in Hollywood who have big mouths
and deep pockets.

The only one I respect is Rosie O'Donnell. She admits she is overpaid
and gives generously, backing up her political beliefs with her generous
actions.



Jonathan Ganz wrote

Check into how many US citizen died needlessly in Iraq. Cuts both
ways. The Heinz family does charitable work. We don't hear much
about the Bu****s or the Chumpys.

"SAIL LOCO" wrote

Check into how many food plants Teresa Heinz Kerry has moved from the
US
to
Mexico. That's caring "about the less fortunate, or even the average
person"
Goes along with hubbies pitch about "a better America" and bringing
jobs
to
America.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

Michael,

Hey old buddy, come off that Liberal never use their own money BS

Just who the Hell do you think was paying for your Overtime and the cost
to Sea Lift.? Do you think that money was coming from Corporate
America? Do you believe those Billions of dollars voted and approved,
that was requested by this CONSERVATIVE ADMIN wasn't taxpayer's money?
It didn't come from Dividends. This conservative Admin managed to get
that tax dropped. Get real the Conservative are spending our grand
children's money every bit as fast as the Liberals.

Ole Thom

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

And how does this compare with Teresa Heinz Kerry? Do the words 'small
potatos' come to mind? An odd thing for such 'compassionate conservatives.'


Joe wrote:
Im sure she makes so much money each year she has to give it away for
tax reasons.

Baloney. Nobody *has* to give money away for tax reasons. Besides, Bart
was just saying that the Kerrys donate relatively little. Which is it,
are they compelled to give away tons of money to keep taxes down, or are
they skinflints?


Do a break down on % of total income and you will see the Cheney's
give much more of what they have.

Interesting you should say that, yesterday I took a gander at Cheney's
info. From what I've read, they have not given a dollar out their
pocket. Mrs. Cheney has donated future earnings from her book(s) and
Dick claimed charity deductions for speaking engagements.

The funny thing is that my wife and myself donate an order of magnitude
more of our incomes, it is real money that we could in fact spend on
ourselves instead, and yet we pay almost as much in tax as the Cheneys.
If they are an example of 'compassionate conservatism'and Christian
charity, then those are just fancy words for being pikers & skinflints IMHO.

DSK

Libreals never use their own money--its always yours
 

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:11:27 -0400, DSK wrote
this crap:

Interesting you should say that, yesterday I took a gander at Cheney's
info. From what I've read, they have not given a dollar out their
pocket. Mrs. Cheney has donated future earnings from her book(s) and
Dick claimed charity deductions for speaking engagements.


And that is not money out of their pocket?





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