minimum wage thought
 

"FamilySailor" wrote in message
...
I was wondering if the Democratic party really cared about the people when
they say they want to raise the minimum wage. Then it occurred to
my........
that would increase the amount of income tax they receive by who knows how
much..... I think I stumbled onto the real motivation..... They want more
of
our money!



In real life raising the minimum wage does the following:

1. Union members whose contracts are pegged to the minimum wage get a big
boost. Teamsters/UPS are a good example.
2. The cost of goods from manufacturing to delivered at the store goes up.
3. The price of goods at the store goes up. From observation I'd say this
takes about a month to two months.
4. The minimum wage workers end up paying more. They don't pay more in
direct taxes because they still don't make that much. The taxation increase
comes from those whose higher than minimum wages were boosted as a result
and of course and increase in sales taxes etc.
5. But then the union negotiators as for increases in the subsequent
contracts based on the increase in the cost of living and the company
involved does the cost over-run bit and so it goes ..

Your start and ending was correct, just the middle was missing.

Even more insiduous is the laundering of tax dollars via the unions into
political contributions via the Davis-Bacon Act. Both Democrats and
Republicans benefit. If I tried that it would be jail time for sure.

But on the whole I'd rather be a union member getting the big bucks than one
of the majority of the working class who get screwed, blued and tatooed by
both halves of the one party system.

So don't take this as a complaint. Just an explanation.

Grin (keep those dollahs coming folks, the boat industry of Port Townsend
appreciate the trickle and I'm glad to help the flow!

Michael

Vote for a return to the two party system! Vote Libertarian ...or Green .
....or.........

minimum wage thought
 

I was wondering if the Democratic party really cared about the people when
they say they want to raise the minimum wage. Then it occurred to my........
that would increase the amount of income tax they receive by who knows how
much..... I think I stumbled onto the real motivation..... They want more of
our money!

minimum wage thought
 

Hummmm.... let me think...... Would I rather get $300 back or pay $1000 or
more in taxes every year (increasing exponentially). You cuts the $300
refund, but the real issue is the fact that the taxes were not raised
either. Just take that $300 refund, increase it each year with the cost of
living, calculate the interest (compounded) and see if it adds up to a
little more. Griping about the $300 refund is like saying I only get $27 per
hour. What can you do with $27..... You have to look at the big picture, not
just ONE check. You can have a trend of relieving the tax burden on people
and businesses or a trend of increasing the burden. My wife has a Flower
Shop and the taxes are driving her under. She has to work like a dog,
because she had to let all go, except our daughter, because she was not
making enough to pay all the taxes you have to pay to be allowed to have an
employee. I see you like the burden of taxes and complain if the trend is
towards reduced taxes and that's no Bu****, hehehe

minimum wage thought
 

Well, maybe they'll give me $300 just like Bu****. That certainly made my
year.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"FamilySailor" wrote in message
...
I was wondering if the Democratic party really cared about the people when
they say they want to raise the minimum wage. Then it occurred to
my........
that would increase the amount of income tax they receive by who knows how
much..... I think I stumbled onto the real motivation..... They want more
of
our money!

minimum wage thought
 

On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:29:27 -0500, "FamilySailor" wrote:

Hummmm.... let me think...... Would I rather get $300 back or pay $1000 or
more in taxes every year (increasing exponentially). You cuts the $300
refund, but the real issue is the fact that the taxes were not raised
either. Just take that $300 refund, increase it each year with the cost of
living, calculate the interest (compounded) and see if it adds up to a
little more. Griping about the $300 refund is like saying I only get $27 per
hour. What can you do with $27..... You have to look at the big picture, not
just ONE check. You can have a trend of relieving the tax burden on people
and businesses or a trend of increasing the burden. My wife has a Flower
Shop and the taxes are driving her under. She has to work like a dog,
because she had to let all go, except our daughter, because she was not
making enough to pay all the taxes you have to pay to be allowed to have an
employee. I see you like the burden of taxes and complain if the trend is
towards reduced taxes and that's no Bu****, hehehe

Actually I think the "big picture" is that the Government is borrowing
money to pay you that $300 and "not raise" your taxes. They send
those $300 checks out as if they are doing you a great favor and to
buy votes. The only problem is that *you* will be expected to pay
that back. The only money the government has is *our* money, after
all.

minimum wage thought
 

Actually I think the "big picture" is that the Government is borrowing
money to pay you that $300 and "not raise" your taxes. They send
those $300 checks out as if they are doing you a great favor and to
buy votes. The only problem is that *you* will be expected to pay
that back. The only money the government has is *our* money, after
all.

Actually Tax laws were set under previous administrations and were not
intending to borrow but to take and keep our money. The current
administration would not let them keep what they tried to take, duh

Now they are withhold less, duhhhh
Man! rotflmao.... "Big Picture" ROTFLMAO!!!

minimum wage thought
 

Trollin, trollin, trollin..... ; )
__________/)_____

minimum wage thought
 

On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:51:08 -0500, "FamilySailor" wrote:

Actually I think the "big picture" is that the Government is borrowing
money to pay you that $300 and "not raise" your taxes. They send
those $300 checks out as if they are doing you a great favor and to
buy votes. The only problem is that *you* will be expected to pay
that back. The only money the government has is *our* money, after
all.

Actually Tax laws were set under previous administrations and were not
intending to borrow but to take and keep our money. The current
administration would not let them keep what they tried to take, duh

Now they are withhold less, duhhhh
Man! rotflmao.... "Big Picture" ROTFLMAO!!!

I confess I have no idea what you just said. My basic point, if it
went over your head, is that sending rebates to taxpayers when the
Federal government is operating at a deficit is simply borrowing money
*from* you to buy your vote. *You* will have to pay back the loan.
If that is too complex for you, I can understand your support for the
the "fiscally concersative" Republicans.

minimum wage thought
 

I confess I have no idea what you just said.

Do I look surprised? hehehehe

minimum wage thought
 

On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 15:28:25 -0500, "FamilySailor" wrote:

I confess I have no idea what you just said.

Do I look surprised? hehehehe

I can't tell. Confused, yes.

minimum wage thought
 

Actually both sides and the whole screwed up process has us all corn-fused.
It ain't cut and dry and it can't be fixed. both sides make decisions based
on what is better for their party and not necessarily the good of the
people. I was just trolling and hoping to get a bite. hehehe
_______________/)__________




I know my wife and I are being taxed out of business and having to work
ourselves to death, because we can't afford to have employees, what with the
fed. taxes, soc. taxes and unemployment taxes we have to pay on top of the
wages just to be allowed to employ someone; not to mention our income tax,
gasoline tax, license fees, tax on anything we buy, school tax, county tax,
phone tax, fees on long distance and electric and internet and on and on. I
had to get a second job, just so we hopefuly can pay the taxes we owe to run
our own flower shop (this is my 3rd week at the job and it added even more
of a burden on my wife, who is running the shop alone now) and that is no
lie. You know the amount of taxes an all the withhold from your paycheck,
well you are paying half and your employer pays the other half, so if you
run you own business multiply that by (2) and you match what is withheld
from each employee also.

Ahhh... the American dream....... to support government programs.......

minimum wage thought
 

PING!!!!!!! Hit the nail on the head...... The system does what it good for
the system's survival...... hummmmm... kinda Borg like.....

minimum wage thought
 

You need to do some creative accounting.

SV

"FamilySailor" wrote in message
...
Actually both sides and the whole screwed up process has us all
corn-fused.
It ain't cut and dry and it can't be fixed. both sides make decisions
based
on what is better for their party and not necessarily the good of the
people. I was just trolling and hoping to get a bite. hehehe
_______________/)__________




I know my wife and I are being taxed out of business and having to work
ourselves to death, because we can't afford to have employees, what with
the
fed. taxes, soc. taxes and unemployment taxes we have to pay on top of the
wages just to be allowed to employ someone; not to mention our income tax,
gasoline tax, license fees, tax on anything we buy, school tax, county
tax,
phone tax, fees on long distance and electric and internet and on and on.
I
had to get a second job, just so we hopefuly can pay the taxes we owe to
run
our own flower shop (this is my 3rd week at the job and it added even more
of a burden on my wife, who is running the shop alone now) and that is no
lie. You know the amount of taxes an all the withhold from your paycheck,
well you are paying half and your employer pays the other half, so if you
run you own business multiply that by (2) and you match what is withheld
from each employee also.

Ahhh... the American dream....... to support government programs.......

minimum wage thought
 

It is not worth losing my wife because she has to serve jail time for
cheating on her taxes. She is trying to do it honest and straight forward.
That is why I had to get a job to pay the taxes. : (

You need to do some creative accounting.

SV

minimum wage thought
 

You can be creative and still legal.


"FamilySailor" wrote in message
...
It is not worth losing my wife because she has to serve jail time for
cheating on her taxes. She is trying to do it honest and straight forward.
That is why I had to get a job to pay the taxes. : (

You need to do some creative accounting.

SV

minimum wage thought
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
You need to do some creative accounting.

SV

Indeed he does. Put the biz in your wifes name and get a minority
businees loan that you will never have to repay. Market your service
to companies as a minority company and get more business, companies
get tax breaks for hiring minority business, That is if your a B2B
biz.

Get a tax break and hire women, and other minorities. Infact the govt
will pay close to 1/2 of your workers salarys if you find the proper
loopholes. One of the crewboats I ran for many years had a black owner
and the boat was never off the job while many others sit idle. Most
all large companies are require to hire a % of minority owned
businesses. Dont fight the system use it! Buy a sailboat and put an
office aboard. Great write off! A good CPA is a very wise investment.

Joe





"FamilySailor" wrote in message
...
Actually both sides and the whole screwed up process has us all
corn-fused.
It ain't cut and dry and it can't be fixed. both sides make decisions
based
on what is better for their party and not necessarily the good of the
people. I was just trolling and hoping to get a bite. hehehe
_______________/)__________




I know my wife and I are being taxed out of business and having to work
ourselves to death, because we can't afford to have employees, what with
the
fed. taxes, soc. taxes and unemployment taxes we have to pay on top of the
wages just to be allowed to employ someone; not to mention our income tax,
gasoline tax, license fees, tax on anything we buy, school tax, county
tax,
phone tax, fees on long distance and electric and internet and on and on.
I
had to get a second job, just so we hopefuly can pay the taxes we owe to
run
our own flower shop (this is my 3rd week at the job and it added even more
of a burden on my wife, who is running the shop alone now) and that is no
lie. You know the amount of taxes an all the withhold from your paycheck,
well you are paying half and your employer pays the other half, so if you
run you own business multiply that by (2) and you match what is withheld
from each employee also.

Ahhh... the American dream....... to support government programs.......

minimum wage thought
 

We are talking with our CPA and we have until the end of the year to do
things right. I am thinking about buying a Dodge Steath and painting it like
a NAS Car with the shops name as the sponcer. It will be good advertising
and until now, never thought about it being a right off. Hummmm......

minimum wage thought
 

"FamilySailor" wrote in message ...
We are talking with our CPA and we have until the end of the year to do
things right. I am thinking about buying a Dodge Steath and painting it like
a NAS Car with the shops name as the sponcer. It will be good advertising
and until now, never thought about it being a right off. Hummmm......

Now your getting it. Also you might want to consider a new set of
sails for your boat, Just put your company logo on them and BOOM 100%
off the top.

Joe

minimum wage thought
 

I would also need to purchase a rollerfurler to be able to unfurl the
advertisement.

minimum wage thought
 

that's the ticket.


"FamilySailor" wrote in message
...
I would also need to purchase a rollerfurler to be able to unfurl the
advertisement.

minimum wage thought
 

"FamilySailor" wrote in message ...
I would also need to purchase a rollerfurler to be able to unfurl the
advertisement.

Indeed you would. And I would lease your billboard to your wifes
company.
The average billboard rental must be a few grand a month in a high
traffic area. And you will need to hire contractors (crew)to properly
care for your investments. I would say the average sailing trip might
cost your company 1,000 to 1,500 dollars. I know these type of
investment in your company future are hard, but to succeed you need to
advertise. Infact the Govt expects most new businesses to spend more
than they make for the first 3 years. If you plan things right you
should have the govt paying you.

Have fun Sailing errr I mean Advertising.

Joe
Capitolist