Dismasted %&$@ !
 

What different preparations should you make for the
possibility of dismasting at sea, for rod rigging, stainless
wire, and galvanized wire? [1 pt]

What changes happen to the motion of the boat when the
mast is down? [1 pt]

What should you do and not do immediately after a
dismasting? [2 pts]

Dacron Sails, and re-winching with big modern winches
tend to cause dismasting in boats with a common
characteristic. What is that characteristic? [2 pts]

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
et...
What different preparations should you make for the
possibility of dismasting at sea, for rod rigging, stainless
wire, and galvanized wire? [1 pt]

Carry a hacksaw, bolt/cable cutters . Those cutters for rod that use a
charge are cool. Have supplies to jury rig a mast. keep your TowBoatUS card
up to date.


What changes happen to the motion of the boat when the
mast is down? [1 pt]

more rock & roll



What should you do and not do immediately after a
dismasting? [2 pts]

clear up the whole mess. count your crew. Soften the jagged edge of the
mast.
don't motor until you're absolutely sure the prop is clear.

SV

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4 points Scotty!

Scott Vernon wrote
"Bart Senior" wrote
What different preparations should you make for the
possibility of dismasting at sea, for rod rigging, stainless
wire, and galvanized wire? [1 pt]

Carry a hacksaw, bolt/cable cutters . Those cutters for rod that use a
charge are cool. Have supplies to jury rig a mast. keep your TowBoatUS
card
up to date.


What changes happen to the motion of the boat when the
mast is down? [1 pt]

more rock & roll

What should you do and not do immediately after a
dismasting? [2 pts]

clear up the whole mess. count your crew. Soften the jagged edge of the
mast.
don't motor until you're absolutely sure the prop is clear.

Dismasted %&$@ !
 

Bart Senior wrote:

What different preparations should you make for the
possibility of dismasting at sea, for rod rigging, stainless
wire, and galvanized wire? [1 pt]

Bring a prayer book, a hard hat, and a bottle of scotch.

For Rod rigging, make sure you have Rod's phone number so you can bitch
at him for rigging it wrong.


What changes happen to the motion of the boat when the
mast is down? [1 pt]

It doesn't go as fast. If the mast punches a hole in the hull, it takes
a 90 degree turn, straight down.


What should you do and not do immediately after a
dismasting? [2 pts]

SHOULD: Say the obscenity of your choice. For most people, this will be
automatic.

SHOULDN'T: Put you tongue on the mast, especially if it's really cold.


Dacron Sails, and re-winching with big modern winches
tend to cause dismasting in boats with a common
characteristic. What is that characteristic? [2 pts]

Either Dacron Sails, or big modern winches. Probably both.

What do I win?

--
//-Walt
//
// http://cagle.slate.msn.com/working/040514/matson.gif

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"Bart Senior" wrote...
What different preparations should you make for the
possibility of dismasting at sea, for rod rigging, stainless
wire, and galvanized wire? [1 pt]



Scott Vernon wrote:
Carry a hacksaw, bolt/cable cutters . Those cutters for rod that use a
charge are cool. Have supplies to jury rig a mast. keep your TowBoatUS card
up to date.

And verify that the hacksaw and/or bolt/cable cutters you have will
*really* cut the rigging. I've tried to hacksaw 1x19 SS wire, it's a
PITA and you'd grow a long gray beard before you got the wreckage
cleared with a hacksaw... maybe one of those hi tech blades...




What changes happen to the motion of the boat when the
mast is down? [1 pt]


more rock & roll

The motion gets quicker, too.


What should you do and not do immediately after a
dismasting? [2 pts]


clear up the whole mess. count your crew.

No, do that first!

... Soften the jagged edge of the
mast.
don't motor until you're absolutely sure the prop is clear.

A bit more detailed- take precautions against the spar battering a hole
in your hull as it flails around alongside. If it is hanging free, get
the mess on deck straightened out and be prepared before trying to bring
it along side... or just cut it all free, let it sink.

Hey Scotty are you still passing all your points under the table to Lady
Pilot??

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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Walt wrote

Bart Senior wrote:

Dacron Sails, and re-winching with big modern winches
tend to cause dismasting in boats with a common
characteristic. What is that characteristic? [2 pts]

Either Dacron Sails, or big modern winches. Probably both.

Incorrect.

Dismasted %&$@ !
 

This one shouldn't be that hard. Think about it
and make an educated guess.

Bart Senior wrote

Dacron Sails, and re-winching with big modern winches
tend to cause dismasting in boats with a common
characteristic. What is that characteristic? [2 pts]

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
et...
This one shouldn't be that hard. Think about it
and make an educated guess.

Bart Senior wrote

Dacron Sails, and re-winching with big modern winches
tend to cause dismasting in boats with a common
characteristic. What is that characteristic? [2 pts]


cheap masts?

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"DSK" wrote

And verify that the hacksaw and/or bolt/cable cutters you have will
*really* cut the rigging.

Yes, it's a good idea before starting out on any long voyage to take a few
practice strokes on the rigging.




I've tried to hacksaw 1x19 SS wire, it's a
PITA and you'd grow a long gray beard before you got the wreckage
cleared with a hacksaw... maybe one of those hi tech blades...


Bolt cutters preferable. You'd need a BIG pair for RR.




Hey Scotty are you still passing all your points under the table to Lady
Pilot??

Yes, and she is recompensates, also under the table.
;)))

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Bart Senior wrote:
Walt wrote
Bart Senior wrote:

Dacron Sails, and re-winching with big modern winches
tend to cause dismasting in boats with a common
characteristic. What is that characteristic? [2 pts]

Either Dacron Sails, or big modern winches. Probably both.

Incorrect.

Oops. Should have read the question more carefully. I thought you were
asking about correlation when you meant causality. So, the answer
you're looking for is obviously a trimmer who uses that big modern winch
to oversheet the jib.


--
//-Walt
//
// http://cagle.slate.msn.com/working/040514/matson.gif

Dismasted %&$@ !
 

That's why I carry powerful boltcutters. Thay are required here for
offshore racing by the way.

Cheers

DSK wrote:

"Bart Senior" wrote...

What different preparations should you make for the
possibility of dismasting at sea, for rod rigging, stainless
wire, and galvanized wire? [1 pt]




Scott Vernon wrote:

Carry a hacksaw, bolt/cable cutters . Those cutters for rod that use a
charge are cool. Have supplies to jury rig a mast. keep your
TowBoatUS card
up to date.


And verify that the hacksaw and/or bolt/cable cutters you have will
*really* cut the rigging. I've tried to hacksaw 1x19 SS wire, it's a
PITA and you'd grow a long gray beard before you got the wreckage
cleared with a hacksaw... maybe one of those hi tech blades...




What changes happen to the motion of the boat when the
mast is down? [1 pt]



more rock & roll


The motion gets quicker, too.


What should you do and not do immediately after a
dismasting? [2 pts]



clear up the whole mess. count your crew.


No, do that first!

... Soften the jagged edge of the
mast.
don't motor until you're absolutely sure the prop is clear.


A bit more detailed- take precautions against the spar battering a hole
in your hull as it flails around alongside. If it is hanging free, get
the mess on deck straightened out and be prepared before trying to bring
it along side... or just cut it all free, let it sink.

Hey Scotty are you still passing all your points under the table to Lady
Pilot??

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Dismasted %&$@ !
 

Walt wrote in message ...
Bart Senior wrote:

What different preparations should you make for the
possibility of dismasting at sea, for rod rigging, stainless
wire, and galvanized wire? [1 pt]

Bring a prayer book, a hard hat, and a bottle of scotch.

For Rod rigging, make sure you have Rod's phone number so you can bitch
at him for rigging it wrong.


What changes happen to the motion of the boat when the
mast is down? [1 pt]

It doesn't go as fast. If the mast punches a hole in the hull, it takes
a 90 degree turn, straight down.

For you pussies with plastic hulls that might be a fact. Me I dont
worry about such non-sence.



What should you do and not do immediately after a
dismasting? [2 pts]

SHOULD: Say the obscenity of your choice. For most people, this will be
automatic.

SHOULDN'T: Put you tongue on the mast, especially if it's really cold.


Dacron Sails, and re-winching with big modern winches
tend to cause dismasting in boats with a common
characteristic. What is that characteristic? [2 pts]

Weak rigging and a weak mast?

Sheeeeeze I could do a dozen 360's and not worry about de-masting as
long as im in deep water
..
Better build a better boat IMO.

Joe




Either Dacron Sails, or big modern winches. Probably both.

What do I win?

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What size?

"Nav" wrote in message
...
That's why I carry powerful boltcutters. Thay are required here for
offshore racing by the way.

Cheers

DSK wrote:

"Bart Senior" wrote...

What different preparations should you make for the
possibility of dismasting at sea, for rod rigging, stainless
wire, and galvanized wire? [1 pt]




Scott Vernon wrote:

Carry a hacksaw, bolt/cable cutters . Those cutters for rod that use a
charge are cool. Have supplies to jury rig a mast. keep your
TowBoatUS card
up to date.


And verify that the hacksaw and/or bolt/cable cutters you have will
*really* cut the rigging. I've tried to hacksaw 1x19 SS wire, it's a
PITA and you'd grow a long gray beard before you got the wreckage
cleared with a hacksaw... maybe one of those hi tech blades...




What changes happen to the motion of the boat when the
mast is down? [1 pt]



more rock & roll


The motion gets quicker, too.


What should you do and not do immediately after a
dismasting? [2 pts]



clear up the whole mess. count your crew.


No, do that first!

... Soften the jagged edge of the
mast.
don't motor until you're absolutely sure the prop is clear.


A bit more detailed- take precautions against the spar battering a hole
in your hull as it flails around alongside. If it is hanging free, get
the mess on deck straightened out and be prepared before trying to bring
it along side... or just cut it all free, let it sink.

Hey Scotty are you still passing all your points under the table to Lady
Pilot??

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Dismasted %&$@ !
 

I thought you were donating your points to her so she
could see me about cashing in those greenstamps!

Scott Vernon wrote

"DSK" wrote

Hey Scotty are you still passing all your points under the table to Lady
Pilot??

Yes, and she is recompensates, also under the table.
;)))

Dismasted %&$@ !
 

The answer is: Wooden Mast.

I'll give you 1 point for your answer.

Joe wrote
Walt wrote
Bart Senior wrote:

Dacron Sails, and re-winching with big modern winches
tend to cause dismasting in boats with a common
characteristic. What is that characteristic? [2 pts]

Weak rigging and a weak mast?

Joe

Dismasted %&$@ !
 

I'll give you one point for that, since you posted nearly the
same time as Joe.

The answer is wooden mast.

Scott Vernon wrote

Bart Senior wrote

Dacron Sails, and re-winching with big modern winches
tend to cause dismasting in boats with a common
characteristic. What is that characteristic? [2 pts]


cheap masts?

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I am! Can I help it if she's 'appreciative'..

Scotty

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
et...
I thought you were donating your points to her so she
could see me about cashing in those greenstamps!

Scott Vernon wrote

"DSK" wrote

Hey Scotty are you still passing all your points under the table to
Lady
Pilot??

Yes, and she is recompensates, also under the table.
;)))

Dismasted %&$@ !
 

and by ''cheap masts'' I mean 'wooden masts'.

Scotty



"Scott Vernon" wrote

Dacron Sails, and re-winching with big modern winches
tend to cause dismasting in boats with a common
characteristic. What is that characteristic? [2 pts]


cheap masts?

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Ahem! I posted this at Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:34 PM

"Scott Vernon" wrote

Dacron Sails, and re-winching with big modern winches
tend to cause dismasting in boats with a common
characteristic. What is that characteristic? [2 pts]


cheap masts?


**Joe posted at Thursday, July 08, 2004 7:14 PM **

But that's ok, I'll take one point and be happy...... now, where'd LP go.

HEY LP, another point for ya!

Scotty


"Bart Senior" wrote in message
et...
I'll give you one point for that, since you posted nearly the
same time as Joe.

The answer is wooden mast.

Scott Vernon wrote

Bart Senior wrote

Dacron Sails, and re-winching with big modern winches
tend to cause dismasting in boats with a common
characteristic. What is that characteristic? [2 pts]


cheap masts?

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Scot;

Congradulations on having the right tools and preparation and NEVER
being Dismasted.

The rock and rolling lessens so much you can't believe there are still
whitecaps

May your sailing skills keep you from ever having the experence

Ole Thom

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Doug;

Go at the fittings. Turnbuckles, schackles, adjusters etc

Wire or rod rigging only if you have GOOD bolt cutters!

Ole Thom

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Flexible mast and complicated, adjustable rigging (Jack stays and
jumpers, backstays) Pumping Masts

OT

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bart, you be on scared cookie. untie the dock lines and go sailing for the
kriste's sake.

What different preparations should you make for the
possibility of dismasting at sea, for rod rigging, stainless
wire, and galvanized wire? [1 pt]

What changes happen to the motion of the boat when the
mast is down? [1 pt]

What should you do and not do immediately after a
dismasting? [2 pts]

Dacron Sails, and re-winching with big modern winches
tend to cause dismasting in boats with a common
characteristic. What is that characteristic? [2 pts]

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Uh oh, jaxie got into the Benadryl again.

"JAXAshby" wrote ...
bart, you be on scared cookie.

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Well you know me - BIG. Haha! Actually big enough to chomp a 316 bolt
easily in a test I carried out. They are about 1m long. They are stored
with all the other emergency gear and have a lanyard on them. They are
also bright red and their head is in a plastic bag
with lots of WD40 in it. I also store my emergency saw blades (set of 20
with handle) the same way. No rust was evident on last inspection.

Cheers


Scott Vernon wrote:
What size?

"Nav" wrote in message
...

That's why I carry powerful boltcutters. Thay are required here for
offshore racing by the way.

Cheers

DSK wrote:


"Bart Senior" wrote...


What different preparations should you make for the
possibility of dismasting at sea, for rod rigging, stainless
wire, and galvanized wire? [1 pt]



Scott Vernon wrote:


Carry a hacksaw, bolt/cable cutters . Those cutters for rod that use a
charge are cool. Have supplies to jury rig a mast. keep your
TowBoatUS card
up to date.


And verify that the hacksaw and/or bolt/cable cutters you have will
*really* cut the rigging. I've tried to hacksaw 1x19 SS wire, it's a
PITA and you'd grow a long gray beard before you got the wreckage
cleared with a hacksaw... maybe one of those hi tech blades...




What changes happen to the motion of the boat when the
mast is down? [1 pt]



more rock & roll


The motion gets quicker, too.



What should you do and not do immediately after a
dismasting? [2 pts]



clear up the whole mess. count your crew.


No, do that first!


... Soften the jagged edge of the
mast.
don't motor until you're absolutely sure the prop is clear.


A bit more detailed- take precautions against the spar battering a hole
in your hull as it flails around alongside. If it is hanging free, get
the mess on deck straightened out and be prepared before trying to bring
it along side... or just cut it all free, let it sink.

Hey Scotty are you still passing all your points under the table to Lady
Pilot??

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Dismasted %&$@ !
 

Scott Vernon wrote:



But that's ok, I'll take one point and be happy...... now, where'd LP go.

HEY LP, another point for ya!


Are you saying there is no point in her life?

Cheers

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I'm sure she has at least two prominent points!

Nav wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:



But that's ok, I'll take one point and be happy...... now, where'd LP
go.

HEY LP, another point for ya!


Are you saying there is no point in her life?

Cheers

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"Nav" wrote ...
Well you know me -

No, but Doug told me you have a big head.


Actually big enough to chomp a 316 bolt
easily in a test I carried out.

316SS? Doesn't tell what size bolt,

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Nav wrote:
Well you know me - BIG. Haha! Actually big enough to chomp a 316 bolt
easily in a test I carried out. They are about 1m long. They are stored
with all the other emergency gear and have a lanyard on them. They are
also bright red and their head is in a plastic bag
with lots of WD40 in it.

Ever heard of cosmoline? Actually a compound called No-Ox is better for
long term storage of parts. WD-40 is great for cleaning & drying off
tools once they've been used, especially if they've gotten wet or
already acquired a spot or two of rust; but it's too thin & volatile to
be a good surface protection for storage of metal part.

... I also store my emergency saw blades (set of 20
with handle) the same way. No rust was evident on last inspection.

Regular inspection is good, but if they are sealed up you shouldn't open
them just to inspect.

DSK

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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Nav wrote:
Well you know me - BIG. Haha! Actually big enough to chomp a 316 bolt
easily in a test I carried out. They are about 1m long. They are stored
with all the other emergency gear and have a lanyard on them. They are
also bright red and their head is in a plastic bag
with lots of WD40 in it.

Ever heard of cosmoline?

We use LPS-3 on the machinery we ship overseas. Good stuff.
http://www.lpslabs.com/Products/CorrosionInh/Lps3.asp


--
Scotty
S/V Lisa Marie
Balt. MD USA

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Ever heard of cosmoline?


Scott Vernon wrote:
We use LPS-3 on the machinery we ship overseas. Good stuff.
http://www.lpslabs.com/Products/CorrosionInh/Lps3.asp

Cool! Thanks for the info & the link... I'd never heard of this stuff
and it looks great.

I'm going to order some right now. Thanks Scotty

FB- Doug "If It's Mil-Spec, It *Has* To Be Good" King

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Bart,

I not sure what you mean by staccato but without the rig the hull is no
longer heeled and without the mast to compensate for the keel becomes at
least twice as effective. If the rig went in the water you have one very
effective sea anchor. It may be trying to punch a hole in the hull but
is stabilizing drift.

I disagree about the motion. It is upright and a lot less violent.

Ole Thom

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Scott wrote:
Yes, it's a good idea before starting out on any long voyage to take
a few practice strokes on the rigging.

Actually that would not be such a bad idea, though it would be a lot
cheaper to try it on a piece of spare wire.
And also remember that doing it in the workshop, is not the same as
doing it on a jerky boat at night when exhausted, cold and wet and
every second might count.

When we lost the mast last year, and had to cut the wires, the guy who
cut most of the wires had to use all of his power to cut the thicker
wires, and he actually damaged a chest-muscle doing the job, though he
didn't feel it at the moment with all the adrenaline pumping.
So I think that, even though a large wire or bolt cutter is a rather
inconvenient and heavy thing to carry on a boat, one should carry one
and one shouldn't settle
for the smallest size that can cut the wire in ideal conditions.

Doug wrote:
I've tried to hacksaw 1x19 SS wire, it's a
PITA and you'd grow a long gray beard before you got the wreckage
cleared with a hacksaw... maybe one of those hi tech blades...


When changing the rigging I have used a hacksaw to cut the wires (1x19
SS), and
that worked quite well in the workshop with a vice when you have the
time, but on a boat moving about and a mast threatening to damage and
possibly hole the hull, I think a hacksaw would be next to useless.

Peter S/Y Anicula

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Thom, that was Oz that wrote that. And he is right,
without the mass and moment arm of the mast up high
to dampen motion, the boat will tend to jerk around
more abruptly. The lighter the boat, the more this
is true.

If you think about the keel doing it's work, but now
not having to fight the mast, it will try to keep the boat
more upright and react quicker, which means a rougher
ride for the crew. Instead of a slow roll, it would be
more of a snap roll.

Bart

Thom Stewart wrote

Bart,

I not sure what you mean by staccato but without the rig the hull is no
longer heeled and without the mast to compensate for the keel becomes at
least twice as effective. If the rig went in the water you have one very
effective sea anchor. It may be trying to punch a hole in the hull but
is stabilizing drift.

I disagree about the motion. It is upright and a lot less violent.

Ole Thom

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by ''cheap masts'' I mean 'wooden masts'.

Scotty


Wood masts are most certainly not cheap, unless you make it from an old
telephone pole yourself.

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They are cheap and easy to make.

By the way, they aer usually hollow.

Bobspirt wrote

by ''cheap masts'' I mean 'wooden masts'.

Scotty


Wood masts are most certainly not cheap, unless you make it from an old
telephone pole yourself.

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it is expensive, the shop buys it by the barrel and I 'borrow' some every
now and then.

Scotty


"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Ever heard of cosmoline?


Scott Vernon wrote:
We use LPS-3 on the machinery we ship overseas. Good stuff.
http://www.lpslabs.com/Products/CorrosionInh/Lps3.asp

Cool! Thanks for the info & the link... I'd never heard of this stuff
and it looks great.

I'm going to order some right now. Thanks Scotty

FB- Doug "If It's Mil-Spec, It *Has* To Be Good" King

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They are cheap and easy to make.

By the way, they aer usually hollow.

Have you priced Sitka spruce lately? The hollow ones are even more costly, but
I bet you even solid round spruce spars cost more than an aluminum mast.

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Mine are a big set..about a meter long and will cut a 3/4 inch SS bolt....
but you'll dislodge your shoulder doing it. ;-)

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
|
| "Nav" wrote ...
| Well you know me -
|
| No, but Doug told me you have a big head.
|
|
| Actually big enough to chomp a 316 bolt
| easily in a test I carried out.
|
| 316SS? Doesn't tell what size bolt,
|
|

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote ...
Mine are a big set..

hey Hey, save it for LP.