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"Blorgad" wrote ...
Let's pretend that you knew what you were doing.

Sure, I do that all the time.

How would you use your
sails to turn a normal fractional-rig sloop aft to wind while on a
mooring?

I would pay out more line, say 600' or so, then backwind the jib till the
bow starts turning downwind, set the jib and steer downwind. Easy, eh?

SV

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So, thanks to my teaching, you have formed your truth from your
deduction skills. At this point the wave function of probability has
collapsed and your reality has formed. This is admirable. Even if I were
to tell you what I believe to be true, that would not help for others
may claim I know nothing about sails. So do you not see that I can only
say that I think your deduction is correct but not say there is an
absolute truth in your words young grasshopper?

Cheers

Blorgad wrote:
Dude, I have done my own analysis and deduction based on thought and logic.
I am looking to have it confirmed or denied. A little swinging back and
forth aside, I do not believe that it is possible for a spinnaker
particularly, but any other combination of sail for that matter, to turn a
boat on a bow mooring aft to wind. I believe that as all forces are
transferred to the boat aft of the bow, that the boat must be swung aft to
lee. Would you please be so kind as to weigh in with a non-arcane opinion?


"Nav" wrote in message
...

The path to enlightenment is paved with the stones of analysis, thought,
logic and deduction. He must pave his own way as we all have done. Only
the true sailor is capable of original thought (This excludes most
people with motorboats).

Cheers




Capt. Mooron wrote:


Aw fer cripes sake... just tell him it can't be done.... and be done

with

it!
It's like you are doin' a Feng Shui Shish Kabob with the poor guy here!

CM

"Nav" wrote in message
...
| Think of a boat sailing on her mooring. Does not the aft end follow

the

| bow? As she sails across the wind -tied to the mooring -does she not
| advance a little way up wind before stalling and tacking off again?
|
| Does that help you think more clearly grasshopper?

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Horvath wrote:



I've never seen a ball with lines attached. But the
only balls I've seen are pubic balls.



Cheers

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Horvath wrote:

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 16:29:06 +1200, Nav wrote
this crap:



Horvath wrote:



My deck is too high for anyone to grab a mooring ball.

Clean it up then!


Huh? Clean what up?


The deck!

Cheers

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On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:15:55 +1000, OzOne wrote this crap:


Here a ball floats on a light line, makes it easy to retrieve and pull
on deck.

Huh? Here they float on the water, and they're too heavy to pull up
on deck.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

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On 5 Jul 2004 14:00:27 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote
this crap:

"Horvath" wrote


I've never seen a mooring ball with lines already attached. But the
only mooring balls I've seen are public balls.

You've never been to Annapolis, then.

I've been to Annapolis, and I never saw any mooring balls there.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

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Scott Vernon wrote:

"Horvath" wrote

You are correct. A boat on a mooring ball always points into the
wind.



YOU are NOT correct.



Makes you wonder doesn't it?

Cheers

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Scott,

That is a cop out. Sure if you let out enough line, then your boat will
behave as though not moored. You have just described one of the standard
ways of sailing away from a mooring once you let yourself off of it.
However, the question is could you do any such thing while actually and
practically moored?




"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Blorgad" wrote ...
Let's pretend that you knew what you were doing.

Sure, I do that all the time.

How would you use your
sails to turn a normal fractional-rig sloop aft to wind while on a
mooring?

I would pay out more line, say 600' or so, then backwind the jib till the
bow starts turning downwind, set the jib and steer downwind. Easy, eh?

SV

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"Nav" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

"Horvath" wrote

You are correct. A boat on a mooring ball always points into the
wind.

YOU are NOT correct.


Makes you wonder doesn't it?

No. not at all.

SV

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"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On 5 Jul 2004 14:00:27 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote
this crap:

"Horvath" wrote


I've never seen a mooring ball with lines already attached. But the
only mooring balls I've seen are public balls.

You've never been to Annapolis, then.

I've been to Annapolis, and I never saw any mooring balls there.

you haven't been there latley.

SV

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COP OUT? cop out!!?? listen you no good piece of crap......You're the one
copping out. You keep changing the question with each answer you get. YOU
asked a question...I gave you a correct answer. Now, bugger off if you
can't handle the truth!

''practically moored?'' WTF does that mean?

SV



"Blorgad" wrote in message
...
Scott,

That is a cop out. Sure if you let out enough line, then your boat will
behave as though not moored. You have just described one of the standard
ways of sailing away from a mooring once you let yourself off of it.
However, the question is could you do any such thing while actually and




"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Blorgad" wrote ...
Let's pretend that you knew what you were doing.

Sure, I do that all the time.

How would you use your
sails to turn a normal fractional-rig sloop aft to wind while on a
mooring?

I would pay out more line, say 600' or so, then backwind the jib till
the
bow starts turning downwind, set the jib and steer downwind. Easy, eh?

SV

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I'm sorry, but I think that letting out enough line to go out for a nice
sail, really clearly does not qualify as being moored. So, by practically
moored, I mean that the bow is actually being held by the mooring and the
boat is not drifting downwind on 100 fathoms of line. Also not a real
option is attaching helicopter blades and flying up and around. Nor is
communicating with whales via arcane symbols on the spinnaker that tell them
to push the stern to wind.

And is there really any need to resort to name calling, just because
somebody thinks you're being slippery in your answer?


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
COP OUT? cop out!!?? listen you no good piece of crap......You're the
one
copping out. You keep changing the question with each answer you get. YOU
asked a question...I gave you a correct answer. Now, bugger off if you
can't handle the truth!

''practically moored?'' WTF does that mean?

SV



"Blorgad" wrote in message
...
Scott,

That is a cop out. Sure if you let out enough line, then your boat will
behave as though not moored. You have just described one of the
standard
ways of sailing away from a mooring once you let yourself off of it.
However, the question is could you do any such thing while actually and




"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Blorgad" wrote ...
Let's pretend that you knew what you were doing.

Sure, I do that all the time.

How would you use your
sails to turn a normal fractional-rig sloop aft to wind while on a
mooring?

I would pay out more line, say 600' or so, then backwind the jib till
the
bow starts turning downwind, set the jib and steer downwind. Easy, eh?

SV

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"Blorgad" wrote ...
I'm sorry, but I think that letting out enough line to go out for a nice
sail, really clearly does not qualify as being moored.

you said nothing of 'qualifiers' when you posed your question.

So, by practically
moored, I mean that the bow is actually being held by the mooring and the
boat is not drifting downwind on 100 fathoms of line. Also not a real
option is attaching helicopter blades and flying up and around. Nor is
communicating with whales via arcane symbols on the spinnaker that tell
them
to push the stern to wind.

So, a really big fan behing the boat is out, too?



And is there really any need to resort to name calling, just because
somebody thinks you're being slippery in your answer?

Yes, there is. this is Usenet, get used to it ya dumb Canuck hoser.

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Hey Scott,

Sorry to be unclear. This is not one of the quizzes that get posted in this
group, there are no points for finding holes in the test. I was really just
looking for input on whether or not a normally moored, normal fractional
rigged sailboat could be turned aft to wind by its sails, particularly a
spinnaker. So, yes, a big fan is out, too.


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
"Blorgad" wrote ...
I'm sorry, but I think that letting out enough line to go out for a nice
sail, really clearly does not qualify as being moored.

you said nothing of 'qualifiers' when you posed your question.

So, by practically
moored, I mean that the bow is actually being held by the mooring and
the
boat is not drifting downwind on 100 fathoms of line. Also not a real
option is attaching helicopter blades and flying up and around. Nor is
communicating with whales via arcane symbols on the spinnaker that tell
them
to push the stern to wind.

So, a really big fan behing the boat is out, too?



And is there really any need to resort to name calling, just because
somebody thinks you're being slippery in your answer?

Yes, there is. this is Usenet, get used to it ya dumb Canuck hoser.

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Ask Jax, he can sail up wind under bare poles.

Scotty

"Blorgad" wrote in message
...
Hey Scott,

Sorry to be unclear. This is not one of the quizzes that get posted in
this
group, there are no points for finding holes in the test. I was really
just
looking for input on whether or not a normally moored, normal fractional
rigged sailboat could be turned aft to wind by its sails, particularly a
spinnaker. So, yes, a big fan is out, too.


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
"Blorgad" wrote ...
I'm sorry, but I think that letting out enough line to go out for a
nice
sail, really clearly does not qualify as being moored.

you said nothing of 'qualifiers' when you posed your question.

So, by practically
moored, I mean that the bow is actually being held by the mooring and
the
boat is not drifting downwind on 100 fathoms of line. Also not a real
option is attaching helicopter blades and flying up and around. Nor
is
communicating with whales via arcane symbols on the spinnaker that
tell
them
to push the stern to wind.

So, a really big fan behing the boat is out, too?



And is there really any need to resort to name calling, just because
somebody thinks you're being slippery in your answer?

Yes, there is. this is Usenet, get used to it ya dumb Canuck hoser.

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Well, he claims to sail a hunter. He's proud of it. What can you say...

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"Horvath" wrote in message
| I have found that it's easier to grab a mooring ball by backing up to
| it, with someone standing on the swim platform.

Bwahahahahahahaaaaaa..... that alone says volumes about your lack of
skills
Horvat.

CM

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Katy,

The mooring balls at Ayala Cove don't have lines attached. I've never
yet seen anyone go to the mooring ball first. Everyone goes to the bow,
even on boats with a lot of freeboard. Actually, I take that back. I've
seen plenty of powerboats do it. Says a lot about Horass doesn't it.

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"katysails" wrote in message
...
Horvatrh,
I think most people assume that if you're mooring on a mooring ball, the
mooring belongs to you and it has established lines already attached....if
you have to attach lines, I see why you back up to it but that is
certainly
not the usual method of catching a can....

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Horass is really into public balls. He doesn't have any of course.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 06:42:39 -0400, "katysails"
wrote this crap:

Horvatrh,
I think most people assume that if you're mooring on a mooring ball, the
mooring belongs to you and it has established lines already
attached....if
you have to attach lines, I see why you back up to it but that is
certainly
not the usual method of catching a can....


I've never seen a mooring ball with lines already attached. But the
only mooring balls I've seen are public balls.





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The lines are too heavy????

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"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:15:55 +1000, OzOne wrote this crap:


Here a ball floats on a light line, makes it easy to retrieve and pull
on deck.

Huh? Here they float on the water, and they're too heavy to pull up
on deck.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

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Could you explain how that would be done, then I'll go away. And does not
turning the boat around while at a mooring constitute sailing backward into
the breeze, 1 boat-length specifically.


OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:19:03 -0300, "Blorgad"
scribbled thusly:

You know, the name calling really isn't called for. You state that
flying a
spinnaker would only work if moored to the aft. I agree. However, do
you
believe that it is at all possible for a bow-moored boat to be
be turned around by a spinnaker, or any other combination of sails for
that matter, so that the aft end travels upwind?


Yes with a great deal of effort and coordinated use of sails and
tiller you could turn the boat around.
No, you could not make it sail backward into the breeze.

Now go away, you're boring me.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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What qualifier? I was just asking for clarification of what you said. All
I want to know is how you would turn a moored boat 180 degrees so that it
was ass to wind by your masterful application of sails and tiller. And if
you accomplish this have you not sail one boat length upwind?


OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:47:32 -0300, "Blorgad"
scribbled thusly:

Could you explain how that would be done, then I'll go away. And does
not
turning the boat around while at a mooring constitute sailing backward
into
the breeze, 1 boat-length specifically.


Ahh seee now you add another qualifier....Go away!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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"Blorgad" wrote in message
...
You know, the name calling really isn't called for. You state that flying
a
spinnaker would only work if moored to the aft. I agree.

I disagree.

In your initial post you mentioned calm air. In these conditions the boat
will influenced by the tide. It is quite possible that the boat would be
pointing directly downwind, or at almost any angle, depending on the
combinatination of wind and tide.

If the boat was lying with a little breeze just aft of the beam, then I see
no reason why you couldn't use the sails to "sail" the boat through the
tide.


However, do you
believe that it is at all possible for a bow-moored boat to be
be turned around by a spinnaker, or any other combination of sails for
that matter, so that the aft end travels upwind?

It would be easy, in the right conditions, to get the aft end to *point*
upwind.


Regards


Donal
--






"Bart Senior" wrote in message
t...
Why don't you read my response again, you idiot.

Blorgad wrote

Hi Bart senior,

Please read the letter again. The question is not how do we fly a
spinnaker
while moored, but rather is it at all possible for a bow-moored boat
to
be
be turned around by a spinnaker, or any other combination of sails for
that
matter, so that the aft end travels upwind?


"Bart Senior" wrote

On a calm day, you could fly it. It would only work
if you attached the mooring pennant to the stern of
the boat. The bow would have to face downwind.

Blorgad wrote
My friend and I are having a disagreement regarding the behaviour
of
sailboats on a mooring. We both have limited sailing experience,
although
he
has a fair amount more than I. We were discussing running up a
spinnaker
at
mooring in calm air, just to practice putting it up. We
eventually
concluded that this wasn't practical, but the argument came in as
to
our
our
different conclusions as to why it would not be. I felt that
there
would
be
no point to put it up, as it would just get blown into the rigging
and
not
really tell us anything and possibly get torn. He was of the
opinion
that
somehow the spinnaker could push the boat to one side, fill and
turn
the
boat around. Initially he said it would go right upwind of the
mooring,
then reduced his claim to say that it would turn around at the
point
where
it was attached to the line at the bow.

I am of the opinion that this is physically impossible and that
under
no
combination of sail at a mooring could the boat turn around so
that
the
aft
was upwind. I am of the opinion that you could get the boat to
swing
to
one
side or the other a bit by backing the jib, but you could still
never
turn
the boat around.

I would gratefully accept as many informed opinions as possible on
this
from
a sailing or physics point of view.

Fair winds,
Miles

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"katysails" wrote in message
...
katysails wrote:

But why ask about such a foolish act grasshopper?

Bobsprit puppet.....

No I'm not.

Cheers

Should have known when you spelled behavior "behaviour".....


Do me a favour, Katy.


We all remember when we thought that MysTerry was your sockpuppet!



Regards


Donal
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Well, my question, however is, could the SAILS bring the aft to wind. Yes
if the aft was already to wind due to tide, you could put up the spinnaker.
However, when you got to the end of the line, would not the aft then be
swung around down wind, as the force is being applied to the boat aft of the
bow line?


"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Blorgad" wrote in message
...
You know, the name calling really isn't called for. You state that
flying
a
spinnaker would only work if moored to the aft. I agree.

I disagree.

In your initial post you mentioned calm air. In these conditions the boat
will influenced by the tide. It is quite possible that the boat would be
pointing directly downwind, or at almost any angle, depending on the
combinatination of wind and tide.

If the boat was lying with a little breeze just aft of the beam, then I
see
no reason why you couldn't use the sails to "sail" the boat through the
tide.


However, do you
believe that it is at all possible for a bow-moored boat to be
be turned around by a spinnaker, or any other combination of sails for
that matter, so that the aft end travels upwind?

It would be easy, in the right conditions, to get the aft end to *point*
upwind.


Regards


Donal
--






"Bart Senior" wrote in message
t...
Why don't you read my response again, you idiot.

Blorgad wrote

Hi Bart senior,

Please read the letter again. The question is not how do we fly a
spinnaker
while moored, but rather is it at all possible for a bow-moored boat
to
be
be turned around by a spinnaker, or any other combination of sails
for
that
matter, so that the aft end travels upwind?


"Bart Senior" wrote

On a calm day, you could fly it. It would only work
if you attached the mooring pennant to the stern of
the boat. The bow would have to face downwind.

Blorgad wrote
My friend and I are having a disagreement regarding the
behaviour
of
sailboats on a mooring. We both have limited sailing experience,
although
he
has a fair amount more than I. We were discussing running up a
spinnaker
at
mooring in calm air, just to practice putting it up. We
eventually
concluded that this wasn't practical, but the argument came in
as
to
our
our
different conclusions as to why it would not be. I felt that
there
would
be
no point to put it up, as it would just get blown into the
rigging
and
not
really tell us anything and possibly get torn. He was of the
opinion
that
somehow the spinnaker could push the boat to one side, fill and
turn
the
boat around. Initially he said it would go right upwind of the
mooring,
then reduced his claim to say that it would turn around at the
point
where
it was attached to the line at the bow.

I am of the opinion that this is physically impossible and that
under
no
combination of sail at a mooring could the boat turn around so
that
the
aft
was upwind. I am of the opinion that you could get the boat to
swing
to
one
side or the other a bit by backing the jib, but you could still
never
turn
the boat around.

I would gratefully accept as many informed opinions as possible
on
this
from
a sailing or physics point of view.

Fair winds,
Miles

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That's not a qualifier. 1 boat length or 100 is still sailing the boat
upwind.


OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:57:41 -0300, "Blorgad"
scribbled thusly:

What qualifier?

You're not too bright eh?
Your qualifier was "1 boat-length"

I was just asking for clarification of what you said. All
I want to know is how you would turn a moored boat 180 degrees so that it
was ass to wind by your masterful application of sails and tiller. And
if
you accomplish this have you not sail one boat length upwind?

Nope,'NOW' Go away


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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Hi.

I'm nobody's sockpuppet. I'm just new to this and trying to learn as much
as I can, apply as much of what I already know to it, and hopefully not
fight too much with my friend who owns the boat, since we are planning on
doing a lot of sailing.


"Donal" wrote in message
...

"katysails" wrote in message
...
katysails wrote:

But why ask about such a foolish act grasshopper?

Bobsprit puppet.....

No I'm not.

Cheers

Should have known when you spelled behavior "behaviour".....


Do me a favour, Katy.


We all remember when we thought that MysTerry was your sockpuppet!



Regards


Donal
--

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"Blorgad" wrote in message
...
Well, my question, however is, could the SAILS bring the aft to wind. Yes
if the aft was already to wind due to tide, you could put up the
spinnaker.

If the boat was lying with the beam to the wind, then the sails could be
used to turn the boat.


However, when you got to the end of the line, would not the aft then be
swung around down wind, as the force is being applied to the boat aft of
the
bow line?

No,.... not if the tide was strong enough. A good sailor could balance the
forces. The boat could end up pointing into the tide, or the wind ... or
anywhere in between.


Regards

Donal
--

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I don't know about the balls where you live, but here, there's a ring
attached to the top of the ball, where you tie off.

Don't you get all twisted? We have a mooring harness with a swivel shackle
mounted on the can...and we carry an extra mooring harness with us when we
cruise....idea is to get in the dinghy when you're there and attach the
harness, then pass the lines up to the bow....
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I've never seen a mooring ball with lines already attached. But the
only mooring balls I've seen are public balls.

You don't have seasonal mooring there? We attach our harness at the
beginning of each season, but we carry a spare harness for when we
cruise....

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Nav wrote:

Scott Vernon wrote:

"Horvath" wrote

You are correct. A boat on a mooring ball always points into the
wind.



YOU are NOT correct.


Makes you wonder doesn't it?

Cheers

The world is full of wonder! Not only can there be no tide, or
other current, but there can't be any wind either! Perhaps it's a
submarine?
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OzOne wrote in


In that case then my original statement stands.
It is possible with used sails to turn a boat aft to wind.

but not with new ones?

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"Donal" wrote

No,.... not if the tide was strong enough. A good sailor could balance
the
forces.

but a *REAL* sailor would undo the mooring line and go sailing. What is all
this nonsense about sailing while tied to a mooring?

Scotty

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"Blorgad" wrote in message
...
Hi.

I'm nobody's sockpuppet. I'm just new to this and trying to learn as much
as I can, apply as much of what I already know to it, and hopefully not
fight too much with my friend who owns the boat, since we are planning on
doing a lot of sailing.

while tied to a mooring?



Sounds like blob**** sailing to me.

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I've only 'rented' a mooring once, in Annapolis, there was a huge harness
attached to the ball. made it easy, just pick up the harness and attach to
bow. When I 'borrowed' someones in late fall I picked the ball up to the
deck and looped a spare dock line through.


--
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"katysails" wrote in message
...

I don't know about the balls where you live, but here, there's a ring
attached to the top of the ball, where you tie off.

Don't you get all twisted? We have a mooring harness with a swivel
shackle
mounted on the can...and we carry an extra mooring harness with us when we
cruise....idea is to get in the dinghy when you're there and attach the
harness, then pass the lines up to the bow....
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On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 09:16:37 +1200, Nav wrote
this crap:




My deck is too high for anyone to grab a mooring ball.

Clean it up then!


Huh? Clean what up?


The deck!

How would that change the height of the deck?






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On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:19:48 -0400, "katysails"
wrote this crap:


I don't know about the balls where you live, but here, there's a ring
attached to the top of the ball, where you tie off.

Don't you get all twisted?

Why? A bowline tied to a ring doesn't get twisted.

We have a mooring harness with a swivel shackle
mounted on the can...and we carry an extra mooring harness with us when we
cruise....idea is to get in the dinghy when you're there and attach the
harness, then pass the lines up to the bow....

I usually get a dock.





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"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:19:48 -0400, "katysails"
wrote this crap:


I don't know about the balls where you live, but here, there's a ring
attached to the top of the ball, where you tie off.

Don't you get all twisted?

Why? A bowline tied to a nipple ring doesn't get twisted.

We have a mooring harness with a swivel shackle
mounted on the can...and we carry an extra mooring harness with us when
we
cruise....idea is to get in the dinghy when you're there and attach the
harness, then pass the lines up to the bow....

I usually get a dick.





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Horvath wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 09:16:37 +1200, Nav wrote
this crap:



My deck is too high for anyone to grab a mooring ball.

Clean it up then!


Huh? Clean what up?


The deck!


How would that change the height of the deck?


It would make it smell better.

Cheers

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Donal" wrote

No,.... not if the tide was strong enough. A good sailor could balance
the
forces.

but a *REAL* sailor would undo the mooring line and go sailing.

I disagree.

I think that a real sailor will have the decency to give a polite answer to
a polite question.

I am surprised that you feel the need to step into Bob's shoes.


What is all
this nonsense about sailing while tied to a mooring?

It was a theoretical question. What's wrong with that?

Regards


Donal
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