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![]() Thanks for the link. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/men...ne_rush_limbau gh_interview___entire_transcript.guest.html I heard the show that Limbaugh's talking about while in the car, except for a few minutes when I stopped for gas. That's exactly how I remember it. The "Skull and Bones" comment was a throwaway, aimed at kidding Bonesman Bush and egging on a caller who said it looked like a fraternity prank. After the first few days, Limbaugh had a hard time taking it as gravely seriously as the liberal media was trying to spin it. You can compare what a few dirtbag soldiers did at Abu Ghraib to Saddam's mass-killings, only so long before you have to point out the difference between putting live people through a plastic-shredder and piling up some nasty terrorists naked so you can take pictures of them. Limbaugh took it seriously at first, before it became crystal clear that the libs were starting to spin it into some kind of new Auschwitz. The latest Limbaugh comments were done entirely for the benefit of David Brock at http://mediamatters.org/ just so Brock would have something to write about that day. Gotta keep all the Rush-haters happy. Give them something to do. LIMBAUGH: I would wager two hours and 58 minutes were spent discussing the aspects of those photos that repulsed everybody, including me, that disappointed everybody, including me, and that angered everybody, including me. The point that I made was that this is not worth demeaning our entire war effort. This is not worth undermining the purpose for which we are there. That this does not speak for America. This does not speak for the American military. This is not who we are. The people who did this are the people who are responsible for it. They should be investigated. We should take care of this, find out who did what, punish them accordingly, and move on with what we're really there to do. And I think that these photos have been used as a political opportunity here by opponents and enemies of the president to blame him and use this is an effort to discredit the entire war in Iraq. And a caller called and said, “It looks to me like this is a fraternity hazing,” and I said yeah, you could probably see this at a Skull and Bones initiation. And I chose Skull and Bones on purpose because I was taunting the media, who was already going nuts over these photos. You know, Bush is Skull and Bones, Kerry is Skull and Bones, and the media doesn't like Skull and Bones because it's secretive and what goes on there -- I mean I could have just as easily said a college fraternity hazing prank, but I chose Skull and Bones just to try to relate to the media in dumping on Bush, which everybody has missed. So, out of the three-hour show, two minutes of comments in response to a caller were taken out of context and reported as the substance of what I said, which it was not. --------------------------------------- The Army was on top of the story and investigating it before any reporters even knew the first thing about it. The first reporters actually got nearly all their story straight from the Army. This was the Abu Ghraib knowledge at the time CBS broke the story: Abuse Of Iraqi POWs By GIs Probed CBS News April 29, 2004 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in614063.shtml [snip] It was American soldiers serving as military police at Abu Ghraib who took these pictures. The investigation started when one soldier got them from a friend, and gave them to his commanders. 60 Minutes II has a dozen of these pictures, and there are many more – pictures that show Americans, men and women in military uniforms, posing with naked Iraqi prisoners. There are shots of the prisoners stacked in a pyramid, one with a slur written on his skin in English. In some, the male prisoners are positioned to simulate sex with each other. And in most of the pictures, the Americans are laughing, posing, pointing, or giving the camera a thumbs-up. 60 Minutes II was only able to contact one of the soldiers facing charges. But the Army says they are all in Iraq, awaiting court martial. "What can the Army say specifically to Iraqis and others who are going to see this and take it personally," Rather asked Kimmitt, in an interview conducted by satellite from Baghdad. "The first thing I’d say is we’re appalled as well. These are our fellow soldiers. These are the people we work with every day, and they represent us. They wear the same uniform as us, and they let their fellow soldiers down,” says Kimmitt. “Our soldiers could be taken prisoner as well. And we expect our soldiers to be treated well by the adversary, by the enemy. And if we can't hold ourselves up as an example of how to treat people with dignity and respect … We can't ask that other nations to that to our soldiers as well." “So what would I tell the people of Iraq? This is wrong. This is reprehensible. But this is not representative of the 150,000 soldiers that are over here,” adds Kimmitt. “I'd say the same thing to the American people... Don't judge your army based on the actions of a few." One of the soldiers facing court martial is Army Reserve Staff Sgt. Chip Frederick. Frederick is charged with maltreatment for allegedly participating in and setting up a photo, and for posing in a photograph by sitting on top of a detainee. He is charged with an indecent act for observing one scene. He is also charged with assault for allegedly striking detainees – and ordering detainees to strike each other. 60 Minutes II talked with him by phone from Baghdad, where he is awaiting court martial. Frederick told us he will plead not guilty, claiming the way the Army was running the prison led to the abuse of prisoners. “We had no support, no training whatsoever. And I kept asking my chain of command for certain things...like rules and regulations,” says Frederick. “And it just wasn't happening." Six months before he faced a court martial, Frederick sent home a video diary of his trip across the country. Frederick, a reservist, said he was proud to serve in Iraq. He seemed particularly well-suited for the job at Abu Ghraib. He’s a corrections officer at a Virginia prison, whose warden described Frederick to us as “one of the best.” Frederick says Americans came into the prison: “We had military intelligence, we had all kinds of other government agencies, FBI, CIA ... All those that I didn't even know or recognize." Frederick's letters and email messages home also offer clues to problems at the prison. He wrote that he was helping the interrogators: "Military intelligence has encouraged and told us 'Great job.' " "They usually don't allow others to watch them interrogate. But since they like the way I run the prison, they have made an exception." "We help getting them to talk with the way we handle them. ... We've had a very high rate with our style of getting them to break. They usually end up breaking within hours." According to the Army’s own investigation, that’s what was happening. The Army found that interrogators asked reservists working in the prison to prepare the Iraqi detainees, physically and mentally, for questioning. What, if any actions, are being taken against the interrogators? "I hope the investigation is including not only the people who committed the crimes, but some of the people that might have encouraged these crimes as well,” says Kimmitt. “Because they certainly share some level of responsibility as well." But so far, none of the interrogators at Abu Ghraib are facing criminal charges. In fact, a number of them are civilians, and military law doesn’t apply to them. One of the civilian interrogators at Abu Ghraib was questioned by the Army, and he told investigators he had "broken several tables during interrogations, unintentionally," while trying to "fear up" prisoners. He denied hurting anyone. In our phone conversation, 60 Minutes II asked Frederick whether he had seen any prisoners beaten. “I saw things. We had to use force sometimes to get the inmates to cooperate, just like our rules of engagement said,” says Frederick. “We learned a little bit of Arabic, basic commands. And they didn't want to listen, so sometimes, you would just give them a little nudge or something like that just to get them to cooperate so we could get the mission accomplished." Attorney Gary Myers and a judge advocate in Iraq are defending Frederick. They say he should never have been charged, because of the failure of his commanders to provide proper training and standards. "The elixir of power, the elixir of believing that you're helping the CIA, for God's sake, when you're from a small town in Virginia, that's intoxicating,” says Myers. “And so, good guys sometimes do things believing that they are being of assistance and helping a just cause. ... And helping people they view as important." Frederick says he didn't see a copy of the Geneva Convention rules for handling prisoners of war until after he was charged. The Army investigation confirms that soldiers at Abu Ghraib were not trained at all in Geneva Convention rules. And most were reservists, part-time soldiers who didn't get the kind of specialized prisoner of war training given to regular Army members. Frederick also says there were far too few soldiers there for the number of prisoners: “There was, when I left, there was over 900. And there was only five soldiers, plus two non-commissioned officers, in charge for those 900 -- over 900 inmates." Rather asked Kimmitt about understaffing. "That doesn't condone individual acts of criminal behavior no matter how tired we are. No matter how stretched we are, that doesn't give us license and it doesn't give us the authority to break the la,” says Kimmitt. “That may have been a contributing factor, but at the end of the day, this is probably more about leadership, supervision, setting standards, abiding by the Army values and understanding what's right, and having the guts to say what's right.” ¶ÒçÊ´Ô³EÄO‹s|^“q"™{ó$ä9Vú´R²ÌøL7ä¿?Õéûë~en4#$ч hóâ ‹Ù+Œá5öŽí•+tÉ2(íº¼ð? ?5¼#‡õ!!éåy„ŠºüÖ„uxvïÓ~N@ϸ¤šœý‡ãïH}tßëÕÙC 4NuÖøÝ±üƒ°p‘&–Õzí5.~ï¿íL*µ—AÝµÅÆD¶ä*–é:^á°%=øPâó ‰%rZ7a’)ÐZq•©|Pà«PïÆ0+¬|"Bï"«b x×`‚[Í1ÛªèrJðø³»°e©´‰Cl£+7TÇäæèVs’ælù†¶oÒï¶a‹²"â\Qê³øÊ?Ѭ§é§BÙ{]^+¨¬DQŠ?* £r³ï*sR…r(ÍàAñ$æÌŠë•–¢¯æ0 ‰†Ð̳LWX?ésÒ®È#;¿°s*v¯Á¢Ls`‹a?ÈÄ–Þ?H¿û~4?¦ûA ˆšÜ?ÐGÒüÉÎ÷7r¶á5gmÊÀÖìT |䢜=κ…ú)Hתd"tXõˆ\('Ï–¾ýùÎ#‡P6µ·²MàÇ™{ŽÞ ò*„s¥lQØx2)Bq«ëüª–MòæX3+ù*@æ7ÃÐPfŽ¥ZÜÈ «)ÄÊæ%¬Öš± ³?+LÏ\j4#´*-™2hç|€xõ%øÿ´ê¬s÷½?Øc8Õ¹Fp벋9ZBõ¤»›€ä¨;³ %Y™òs1nOÂah¨:©3}îÿAöåŸK,çvâG#?ùZ—³ýM…Ågè? âðìÀEgã›Ð ø³Ny7º[ö‡b!¬f R‚kðe€=`?(Þ¹Ù„¢??þîp€þ½Š÷±²?~f?¸ðÔt*Sn ?eÙÊ×?/°+?Bï5—6œàg2æ.€‘»`kˆ`=þ6ùN#.îþUaØ?£þÅlÑB—‚“ å@-ÝÒÌ—6±,ã/LKŽF&5ê"bN&6÷z‹ 5VL›Ñ‚Ž#t®çÞõž¨-R‹|•ÁRö7yÕl‹ZçöÅ‚àÛ²h£ß~aˆIž`àûb;¾LÇA‹W@§ÐV-{1°O0BÉkV?seŒÝènÄ?c]GU1º3®íÈ¥½˜ÅVRZz {CÒDK™«Cy™ÂlÑ ÆÀ ÍDð•8ÝÒä??¯æÜ{?!ÊÉ!??5æ C*F‹2?ÏôÖŽ£{±b7#QdõìÛCÒ^ü—(!„Ã*¡”i6=!‹ôÌm¯ã8]('‘59úH¢““¼G_´¡o+-®Á'Íù*P Wùɸ».0œ*døÇYî‚ÊZ24×{ó/haMz"óýZ¥{bu4/Ñâc¨»?·µçKŽG-3ŸÝÊŽ¬æ#à58`=c‡’*Û*«]MAÁç5*j‹…£€¤)â?l¤„0´ë;Ä9ä¯qˆ“u†w¶uE„Û…ÅNg ¦¶‹‘L0ÑÅþbµ_süf#ž€óZ²ï?û=º¹±õfCܶ?¯¼uŽãÌÙ%µ2ÍçËí Ÿ*^ð¤‰Ï?–– —|°»!ÌXÀT™¼œJÈ$Ÿl§ä?À.y)“k4jü”û§ƒ\uÀ»ŽÝ1Ê d.Þ¹´Ú“?t9Í R`%=òÏUBùX?HˆùÏeÁCSÙ)4fÖàÃä]%2Ø^#µ–R×ÅüŸuáí%Öi…Œ`[v4]õ?‰é§Üø$ç—Þ¯S] ”:×?]RU÷4²]ö$í…oZI0™}l1ó’…NŒ‹/™+UDjþ Þ«ôÌ7ÕújÝT0¬/.V´óAÝÅä’Ì*ànn‚Ëv??sµÐÎÔýØèKÈÀCR†n5™IYr²¬ °qEý?¿Ùí“ßò*ã˜0Éì?—½£öC‡Þ¯f»(¸c¥9Ï‘ÝjÈ,ëVÖ7b ñí=‰zåÊù^f¾6¥/©tƒ[$ïïZ ð3”'¤úOŽ-“-dD\ªéU3s}`’Í.êÎÕ|ÒXƸ—M£‹¤6àÙ¦Q`‹Éæû,?Æ›™˜/÷ÛëÓÏ(ó~‘¬õ¹"܈ȘB5ª0./?µ´;•ø Ûk½0»7†ùâØq Á0 ?\ ±n¶~¸?¸?"صE*ªß,×ðx.»cœÞþkZÖ¬ïÙeI5ÌÚü]û1g(XtÚÅ[£J'Šs.ÃøÇºÄþåM¬£€:á"x"Õ¥~¯Å£ÂñK4¥L.ÿË©u´aRasQED3Ùà Ï+6é©…?ŠúºØå•v#]Me9¤šnDlâ»Úܵ™óÿÖ}o3§j±Z\Dn$5Ì}nÑÿ—õ%åƒ_Øç´¤ =D’;„*µˆªàÞ?™6ø žðiñ‚–U&ïçí^"³¼tö½µD#¡sè??Ôà@éJÈ¦ÉØMTŽ?Ú +§ó•ÚÓI€XfÍüÍ\!ÉüN?èN‚êíó9Nnä ÕàBß.Š"%™e_“‹SCÀ.eäJËÙ?¬h¯ò"L&³éÐÇ›2\-Z/Pzz ¼\l¼ñ}K¼p0ÉÓk–)Tm]z$Üÿ‚9î¾·Hl+Õ?ü8§\bÉLy´éý¥ÉÂot`?µœ*R-°*Z.x—õˆy?'ã7yCNˆuTOÝ.TÜÉ‹¥Ø?²Ô®r»Xì?¹¼Éޱ6Â?ÊŠ® þû0¬#‚eÞ•Pt1ýR§nDóór!ÈXبÖë9èaT€{Ü(Ü¢ñ®n*ÈTSo$ ýKè°ÝÏèøVd¯Ý'©ˆxaW¿Dã‰ùý¸*LW_ô™+;o‹†›#€i[7ÛÕnÉ¿&¬Ç*A¸€ëž1Ñ.cëí0q/~zÎoÛÔWEæ)¼³•1ÇZƒGKª|’Ræoh«˜b2Œ`d¯¥®÷¬s~e»ŒHf ãZ)ÉsŽJgôÊt”VÝ?Ô›‹oœÈ;×q!¤?%ëKD’Ö×ú€?ÿXÒ d¡³.qD¼í‚éo?]æç´o°£öâ´˜²IÏxFùݾà!+õI&.¥Dø-ñW4þfL³Uf?Ö£REO 6ÆmŽŠ$µTÓÎb?8e,y¡ÛñÉy¹˜?{¦x~iÔ¾¿{ŸÉ;qޝÛ{ÂpLÂ,œöéNvê¦ÈÁ9CÖy¯cˆ?Z¥¿^©QØè=ªDmž¨ãD? 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