On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:35:27 -0700, Jonathan Ganz wrote:


During a Democrat fundraiser in San Francisco Monday, Sen. Hillary
Rodham Clinton told the audience. "We're going to take things away from
you on behalf of the common good."

Like illegal drugs? Like WMDs? Like assault rifles? Pretty easy to take
things out of context isn't it....

Like some of Bush's tax cuts. In context:

http://www.sfexaminer.com/article/in...2904n_clintons

I eat too many of them.

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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what have you got against burger flippers?


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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I think the worst offender is someone who takes away your job.
I'd gladly give up some cash to have the job market actually
be stable or growing (not talking about burger flippers). Talk
to Bu****. He's taken away millions of jobs. Fortunately, despite
him, they're starting to come back.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Comments interspersed...

"Bart Senior" wrote in message

John Kerry has missed more Senate votes this session than he's
made.

Are you trying to say that this is a good or bad thing?

Works for me. Now if we could just get the other 99 senators to
"miss"
votes.


During a Democrat fundraiser in San Francisco Monday, Sen. Hillary
Rodham Clinton told the audience. "We're going to take things away
from you on behalf of the common good."

Like illegal drugs? Like WMDs? Like assault rifles? Pretty easy to
take
things out of context isn't it....

Like money. More and more of our money.

Max

I'm sorry you lost your job, but your facts are twisted around.
Anyone who takes a dispassionate look at the economy would
see that Clinton did everything he could for the economy, while
Bush did nothing. Clinton lied about a blow job. Bush lied about
WMDs and a war that has brought this country nothing but
heartache and discrace. Clinton never lied about his lack of
service. Bush didn't even bother to show up for his physical.
Clinton may be a sex addict, but Bush is addicted to alcohol.
Good on him that he hasn't had a drink in a long time. I hope
he stays sober throughout the rest of his term, although he
acts like he's drunk most of the time. He's inarticulate and
low brow. He picked a liar and a cheat for his VP, as well
as for most of his cabinet. He picked a guy for attorney general
who lost an election to a dead guy and who annointed himself
with oil.

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
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Fine, write me a check.

Clinton took away hundreds of thousand of jobs including mine.
Don't blame Bush when you don't have a clue what you are talking
about. The Clinton's cheating with White Water gave the green light
for corporate greed to go crazy.

The economy that began falling with the tech collapse a few years
ago, began in Britian when they auctioned off frequency spectrum to
the highest telecom bidders, instead of the best qualified companies. The
result was that government gained $36 billion instead of the expected
$9 billion. Nations around the world got greedy and did the same thing.

The companys that got the frequency specturm stood likely to make
billions, but not right away. First they had to pay for it, and they
didn't
have the money.

To finance all that, telecom corporations faked growth figures and bankers
financed them when they shouldn't. When growth figures were not met,
Nokia and other cell makers crashed followed by telecom stocks, then
the whole tech sector, then the entire market.

If you want to point the finger at any President. Clinton is the clear
winner by being a cheat and greedy himself, he set the example that
everyone else followed. And he pardoned those who paid him off.

Shame on you for blaming Bush, who has integrity and morals,
things unknown in the Democratic {sell-out} Party.

The Democrats never look at the long picture, their policy is
appeasement, like England's Chamberlin in WWII--that never works.
It takes toughness and moral intergirty to look after the common
good, not personal greedy so prevalent in the Democratic Party.

Let's vote for the greediest in the Democratic Party.

The nominations are; Hilllary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Jesse Jackson,
and John Kerry.

Jonathan Ganz wrote
I think the worst offender is someone who takes away your job.
I'd gladly give up some cash to have the job market actually
be stable or growing (not talking about burger flippers). Talk
to Bu****. He's taken away millions of jobs. Fortunately, despite
him, they're starting to come back.

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www.sailnow.com

"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Comments interspersed...

"Bart Senior" wrote in message

John Kerry has missed more Senate votes this session than he's
made.

Are you trying to say that this is a good or bad thing?

Works for me. Now if we could just get the other 99 senators to
"miss"
votes.


During a Democrat fundraiser in San Francisco Monday, Sen. Hillary
Rodham Clinton told the audience. "We're going to take things away
from you on behalf of the common good."

Like illegal drugs? Like WMDs? Like assault rifles? Pretty easy to
take
things out of context isn't it....

Like money. More and more of our money.

Max

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
t...
The Clinton's cheating with White Water gave the green light
for corporate greed to go crazy.


This has to be the silliest thing you, or anyone else, has ever said in this
forum.

On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 12:44:59 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:35:27 -0700, Jonathan Ganz wrote:


During a Democrat fundraiser in San Francisco Monday, Sen. Hillary
Rodham Clinton told the audience. "We're going to take things away from
you on behalf of the common good."

Like illegal drugs? Like WMDs? Like assault rifles? Pretty easy to take
things out of context isn't it....

Like some of Bush's tax cuts. In context:

http://www.sfexaminer.com/article/in...2904n_clintons

Ultimately every dollar that government spends has to be paid for
somehow, by someone sometime. If you think those tax cuts created
"free money" you are mistaken. When John McCain says that the current
Republican Congress spends money in a way that puts drunken sailors to
shame, that should tell you something about the "fiscally responsible"
party. Besides, unless you are very well off, most of the Bush tax
cuts didn't help you, anyway.

Bart Senior wrote:


Clinton took away hundreds of thousand of jobs including mine.

That may be, but the economy as a whole grew at an unprecedented pace. Don't
forget that there was a serious Bush Sr recession going on when Clinton took
office. If your job was eliminated in the first 3 1/2 years of Clinton's
presidency, then according to many pro-Bush folk it must be Bush Sr's fault.



Don't blame Bush when you don't have a clue what you are talking
about. The Clinton's cheating with White Water gave the green light
for corporate greed to go crazy.

??? "Greed Is Good" was the motto of the Reagan '80s. Clinton's venture into
Whitewater lost money. It would be a very strange example of corporate greed.




The economy that began falling with the tech collapse a few years
ago, began in Britian when they auctioned off frequency spectrum to
the highest telecom bidders, instead of the best qualified companies. The
result was that government gained $36 billion instead of the expected
$9 billion. Nations around the world got greedy and did the same thing.

Part of Reaganomics, not Clinton's fault.



Shame on you for blaming Bush, who has integrity and morals,
things unknown in the Democratic {sell-out} Party.

You should check out his past, Bart. Do you think his deals with Harken Energy
are an example of integrity? How about his deals with the Texas baseball team?
His DUIs? His military record? His coziness with ENRON which was plundered by
it's corporate officers, robbing many manypeople of their jobs, their savngs,
and their future? Maybe you think his smear tactics against McCain in the 2000
campaign are a good example of "integrity & morals"?

Frankly I cannot comprehend how you think this of Bush.



The Democrats never look at the long picture, their policy is
appeasement, like England's Chamberlin in WWII--that never works.

Actually, that is not and has never been any part of Democrat policy.

http://www-tech.mit.edu/V112/N5/dividend.05w.html

It is however a very common Republican smear tactic. Sort of like the way
Maxprop is convinced that I must be a libby-rull because I disagree with his
caveman fascism.


It takes toughness and moral intergirty to look after the common
good, not personal greedy so prevalent in the Democratic Party.

Let's vote for the greediest in the Democratic Party.

The nominations are; Hilllary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Jesse Jackson,
and John Kerry.

Maybe Teresa Heinz-Kerry? She is by far the richest of them, but she married
into it. They say that's the hardest way to earn it, though....

Hillary is a Socialist, greed is not in their nature. But she has wangled a
pretty high lifestyle out of the deal. Billy-Bob is entirely too self centered.
Jesse Jackson would probably be greedy if he could attract more contributions.

So far, none of them have started a war so that their own companies could
profit, as Cheney has done with Halliburton. So far none of them has overcharged
the U.S. Gov't approx 80 million dollars (and counting), as Halliburton has
done. This is not partisan rhetoric, Bart, it is fact.

http://www.halliburton.com/news/arch...cle_121703.jsp
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...2/232434.shtml
http://www.construction.com/NewsCent.../20040123a.asp
http://www.washtimes.com/business/20...1603-4141r.htm
http://houston.bizjournals.com/houst...9/daily45.html

And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Or you can, of course, dismiss all the above as wild-eyed leftist propaganda.
But somehow, I don't think that Pentagon auditors, much less Halliburton's own
news service, are really trying hard to smear mud on the Bush Administration.

Regards
Doug King

On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 16:29:27 +0000, Bart Senior wrote:


The Democrats never look at the long picture, their policy is appeasement,
like England's Chamberlin in WWII--that never works. It takes toughness
and moral intergirty to look after the common good, not personal greedy so
prevalent in the Democratic Party.


Neville Chamberlain was a Conservative.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/PRchamberlain.htm

In desperate need !


If it wasn't for the investigative reports of David Sween, who has
been one step ahead of the effort to frame an innocent man, Scott
Peterson would have been dead and buried by now, just like Richard
Albert Ricci was.

The fact that David Sween is responsible for saving Scott Peterson
became graphically plain recently, when the disgraced prosecution
tried to save the reputation of the incompetent, Detective Allen
Brocchini.

The detective had gotten a call about how Scott dumped Laci in the
ocean on April 19, 2003, a day after Scott Peterson was arrested, but
Detective Allen Brocchini did not follow up because, in his words,

"I just couldn't corroborate it, and I just didn't put a lot of stock
in it."

In retrospect, such a call is consistent with the persistent effort to
frame Scott Peterson, and investigator, David Sween, had virually made
that crystal clear when he wrote the following report:

http://www.geocities.com/botenth/scott.htm


So you see, if David Sween did not methodically and systematically
expose every absurd plot to frame Scott Peterson, the prosecution
might have fraudulently "cemented" the case against Scott early on,
and he may have died in prison, just like Richard Albert Ricci did.

The April 19 telephone call tip that Brochini dismissed is the very
same one that the prosecution has currently embraced, and that is a
clear indication of the fact that earlier efforts to frame Scott
Peterson were discarded because David Sween exposed every fraudulent
effort to "cement" the case against Scott Peterson.

If Scott has a guardian angel looking over his shoulder, his name is
David Sween, and I seriously believe that in the absence of his
brilliant reporting, Scott Peterson would be dead.
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this was posted on the nsnews message board and it is worth repeating
here !

http://www.geocities.com/botenth/scott.htm

Geez... there are just too many closet gay guys here.
Even innocent remarks turn into this.... sorry, I know
it's one of your fantasies, but I'm only interested in
women.

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On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:54:31 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote:

I eat too many of them.


You eat burger flippers? Are the Gay Ganzy rumors really true? I
always thought it was just people kidding about you.

BB

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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what have you got against burger flippers?

What the heck are you talking about????


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"Madelin McKinnon" wrote in message
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In desperate need !


If it wasn't for the investigative reports of David Sween, who has
been one step ahead of the effort to frame an innocent man, Scott
Peterson would have been dead and buried by now, just like Richard
Albert Ricci was.

The fact that David Sween is responsible for saving Scott Peterson
became graphically plain recently, when the disgraced prosecution
tried to save the reputation of the incompetent, Detective Allen
Brocchini.

The detective had gotten a call about how Scott dumped Laci in the
ocean on April 19, 2003, a day after Scott Peterson was arrested, but
Detective Allen Brocchini did not follow up because, in his words,

"I just couldn't corroborate it, and I just didn't put a lot of stock
in it."

In retrospect, such a call is consistent with the persistent effort to
frame Scott Peterson, and investigator, David Sween, had virually made
that crystal clear when he wrote the following report:

http://www.geocities.com/botenth/scott.htm


So you see, if David Sween did not methodically and systematically
expose every absurd plot to frame Scott Peterson, the prosecution
might have fraudulently "cemented" the case against Scott early on,
and he may have died in prison, just like Richard Albert Ricci did.

The April 19 telephone call tip that Brochini dismissed is the very
same one that the prosecution has currently embraced, and that is a
clear indication of the fact that earlier efforts to frame Scott
Peterson were discarded because David Sween exposed every fraudulent
effort to "cement" the case against Scott Peterson.

If Scott has a guardian angel looking over his shoulder, his name is
David Sween, and I seriously believe that in the absence of his
brilliant reporting, Scott Peterson would be dead.
_____________________________
this was posted on the nsnews message board and it is worth repeating
here !

http://www.geocities.com/botenth/scott.htm