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Bobsprit June 28th 04 07:46 PM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
And here's why...

Start with his record: Twenty-two million jobs, longest postwar boom, a shift
from record deficits to record surpluses, welfare reform, a big boost in wage
subsidies for poor workers. What's more, since Clinton had only two years on
"offense" followed by six years on "defense" (after the GOP took the Congress
in 1994), Clinton had limited scope to aim higher. But at least Clinton lost in
1994 while trying valiantly to extend health coverage to every American, and
because he led his party to cast tough votes on deficit reduction that cured
the problem, sparked a record expansion, yet cost some Democrats in Congress
their careers.

RB

SAIL LOCO June 28th 04 07:59 PM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
Clinton did nothing.
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Jonathan Ganz June 28th 04 09:19 PM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
Not true. Besides the blowjob, he reduced the deficit to zero and
created millions of jobs that Bu**** ****ed away.

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"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
Clinton did nothing.
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SAIL LOCO June 28th 04 11:43 PM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
Not true. Besides the blowjob, he reduced the deficit to zero and
created millions of jobs that Bu**** ****ed away.

Your as wrong as the dufas Kerry was today in Baltimore. He said the economy
sucks and jobs are lost in Maryland. Even the liberal news readers did a post
Kerry bit on how the economy is growing nationally at it's fastest rate in 20
years and how Maryland jobs grew by 13,000 last month alone. They stated
Bush's policy on the economy is working. All 3 networks said the same thing.
So what's your next item.
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Jonathan Ganz June 29th 04 01:07 AM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
The next item is that now you've decided to believe the liberal media.
You must be ashamed of yourself. How dare you! Bush almost destroyed
the economy. It's slowly recovering. Those are the facts.

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"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
Not true. Besides the blowjob, he reduced the deficit to zero and
created millions of jobs that Bu**** ****ed away.

Your as wrong as the dufas Kerry was today in Baltimore. He said the

economy
sucks and jobs are lost in Maryland. Even the liberal news readers did a

post
Kerry bit on how the economy is growing nationally at it's fastest rate in

20
years and how Maryland jobs grew by 13,000 last month alone. They stated
Bush's policy on the economy is working. All 3 networks said the same

thing.
So what's your next item.
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Horvath June 29th 04 01:30 AM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
On 28 Jun 2004 18:46:36 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

And here's why...

Start with his record: Twenty-two million jobs, longest postwar boom, a shift
from record deficits to record surpluses,



There never was a surplus. Here's the figures for the National Debt:


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/28/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06
09/29/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00

SOURCE: BUREAU OF THE PUBLIC DEBT

As anyone can see, the debt increased every year. There never was a
surplus. It was another Clinton lie.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Horvath June 29th 04 01:32 AM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:19:31 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Not true. Besides the blowjob, he reduced the deficit to zero


Lies. There never was a surplus. Here the figures for the National
Debt:

09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/28/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06
09/29/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00

SOURCE: BUREAU OF THE PUBLIC DEBT


Anyone can easily see that there never was a surplus. Just another
lie by an expert liar.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

SAIL LOCO June 29th 04 02:56 AM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
Yeah. And that pervert Ken Starr wasted over 70 million taxpayer dollars
before
he admitted it, too..

Gee, just the other day on the news they said the number was 50 million. Did
you contribute 20 million?
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Scott Vernon June 29th 04 03:04 AM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
Does anybody besides me think it's funny that they included the cents?

SV

"Horvath" wrote i
09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/28/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06
09/29/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00

SOURCE: BUREAU OF THE PUBLIC DEBT


Anyone can easily see that there never was a surplus. Just another
lie by an expert liar.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!



Maxprop June 29th 04 03:12 AM

Loco Loves Clinton
 

"Horvath" wrote in message

On 28 Jun 2004 18:46:36 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

And here's why...

Start with his record: Twenty-two million jobs, longest postwar boom, a

shift
from record deficits to record surpluses,



There never was a surplus. Here's the figures for the National Debt:


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/28/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06
09/29/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00

SOURCE: BUREAU OF THE PUBLIC DEBT

As anyone can see, the debt increased every year. There never was a
surplus. It was another Clinton lie.


Most folks have difficulty discerning the federal deficit (above) from an
annual budget deficit. Clinton balanced the budget, but never made a dent
in the federal deficit. Of course neither has any other president in modern
times. And this current one seems bent on raising it to unprecedented
levels.

Max



Bobsprit June 29th 04 03:33 AM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
Lies. There never was a surplus.

Then Bush LIED. He payed out those refunds with the surplus he said was there.
Gore said the surplus should be protected for a rainy day.
You can't have it both ways.

RB

Scott Vernon June 29th 04 03:36 AM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
Damn! imagine that. A politician that lied. STOP THE PRESSES!!!! Hold the
front page. Bob**** made a startling discovery. A politician lied. Who'd
a thunk it.

Scotty, I like bush


"Bob****" wrote ...

Then Bush LIED. He payed out those refunds with the surplus he said was

there.
Gore said the surplus should be protected for a rainy day.
You can't have it both ways.



pot.........kettle........black.........


SAIL LOCO June 29th 04 03:40 AM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
What a dope you are. The figure has been long and widely reported at $70
million
and likely higher. No one has ever reported it as 50 million, recently or
otherwise.

Dope? I usually try to avoid colorful language but go **** yourself.
Just the other day I was watching Clinton being interviewed and the reporter
used the 50 million number. That's the number I have always heard. If you've
seen different number that's fine but that doesn't make me a dope.
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SAIL LOCO June 29th 04 03:42 AM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
Then Bush LIED. He payed out those refunds with the surplus he said was
there.
Gore said the surplus should be protected for a rainy day.
You can't have it both ways.

Horse****. Your making that one up.
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Nav June 29th 04 04:02 AM

Loco Loves Clinton
 


Scott Vernon wrote:

Damn! imagine that. A politician that lied. STOP THE PRESSES!!!! Hold the
front page. Bob**** made a startling discovery. A politician lied. Who'd
a thunk it.

Scotty, I like bush



Do you really have to put your sexual preference in your sig?

Cheers


Horvath June 29th 04 05:23 AM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 02:12:03 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote this crap:


"Horvath" wrote in message

On 28 Jun 2004 18:46:36 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

And here's why...

Start with his record: Twenty-two million jobs, longest postwar boom, a

shift
from record deficits to record surpluses,



There never was a surplus. Here's the figures for the National Debt:


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/28/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06
09/29/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00

SOURCE: BUREAU OF THE PUBLIC DEBT

As anyone can see, the debt increased every year. There never was a
surplus. It was another Clinton lie.


Most folks have difficulty discerning the federal deficit (above) from an
annual budget deficit. Clinton balanced the budget, but never made a dent
in the federal deficit.


Oh, I understand the difference. The budget HAS to be balanced every
year. If there's not enough, we increase the debt.

Clinton borrowed more money than he needed, balanced the budget, and
called the left over money a "surplus." Just another lie from the
crookedest administration in history.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Horvath June 29th 04 05:26 AM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
On 29 Jun 2004 02:33:01 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

Lies. There never was a surplus.

Then Bush LIED. He payed out those refunds with the surplus he said was there.


Nonsense. There was money left over. It should have gone to reduce
the debt, but the President decided to give it back to us.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Jonathan Ganz June 29th 04 05:34 AM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
That's Horass' part. He has none.

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Does anybody besides me think it's funny that they included the cents?

SV

"Horvath" wrote i
09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/28/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06
09/29/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00

SOURCE: BUREAU OF THE PUBLIC DEBT


Anyone can easily see that there never was a surplus. Just another
lie by an expert liar.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!





Jonathan Ganz June 29th 04 05:35 AM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
Hahahaa... good one. That's the famous sword-through-the-neck logic, but it
works.
It works.


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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Lies. There never was a surplus.

Then Bush LIED. He payed out those refunds with the surplus he said was

there.
Gore said the surplus should be protected for a rainy day.
You can't have it both ways.

RB




Jonathan Ganz June 29th 04 05:36 AM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
True enough. Now all we have to do is figure out which lies mean something
and which are just nothin lies. Let's see... lying about a blow job... just
nothin.
Lying about there being a surplus with the intent of giving it back...
something.
Lying about WMDs... something. You pick.

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Damn! imagine that. A politician that lied. STOP THE PRESSES!!!! Hold

the
front page. Bob**** made a startling discovery. A politician lied.

Who'd
a thunk it.

Scotty, I like bush


"Bob****" wrote ...

Then Bush LIED. He payed out those refunds with the surplus he said was

there.
Gore said the surplus should be protected for a rainy day.
You can't have it both ways.



pot.........kettle........black.........




Jonathan Ganz June 29th 04 05:37 AM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
Fine. You can't. So you pick. Which was worse. Gore lying about
the surplus or Bu**** lying about giving it back, and then ****ing up
the economy to do it. You pick.

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"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
Then Bush LIED. He payed out those refunds with the surplus he said

was
there.
Gore said the surplus should be protected for a rainy day.
You can't have it both ways.

Horse****. Your making that one up.
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Jonathan Ganz June 29th 04 05:38 AM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
It's more like 70 mil. Just one of those tiny little facts that get in
the way... sorry.

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"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
What a dope you are. The figure has been long and widely reported at

$70
million
and likely higher. No one has ever reported it as 50 million, recently or
otherwise.

Dope? I usually try to avoid colorful language but go **** yourself.
Just the other day I was watching Clinton being interviewed and the

reporter
used the 50 million number. That's the number I have always heard. If

you've
seen different number that's fine but that doesn't make me a dope.
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Jonathan Ganz June 29th 04 09:14 AM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
So there was or wasn't a surplus? So Bu**** spent money that wasn't
from a surplus or it was. If it wasn't, he lied about there being one. If
there was, then Clinton presided over it. Which one stupid?

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"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On 29 Jun 2004 02:33:01 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

Lies. There never was a surplus.

Then Bush LIED. He payed out those refunds with the surplus he said was

there.

Nonsense. There was money left over. It should have gone to reduce
the debt, but the President decided to give it back to us.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!




Jonathan Ganz June 29th 04 09:15 AM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
Borrowed it? From your boyfriend?

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"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 02:12:03 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote this crap:


"Horvath" wrote in message

On 28 Jun 2004 18:46:36 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

And here's why...

Start with his record: Twenty-two million jobs, longest postwar boom,

a
shift
from record deficits to record surpluses,


There never was a surplus. Here's the figures for the National Debt:


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/28/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06
09/29/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00

SOURCE: BUREAU OF THE PUBLIC DEBT

As anyone can see, the debt increased every year. There never was a
surplus. It was another Clinton lie.


Most folks have difficulty discerning the federal deficit (above) from an
annual budget deficit. Clinton balanced the budget, but never made a

dent
in the federal deficit.


Oh, I understand the difference. The budget HAS to be balanced every
year. If there's not enough, we increase the debt.

Clinton borrowed more money than he needed, balanced the budget, and
called the left over money a "surplus." Just another lie from the
crookedest administration in history.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!




Bobsprit June 29th 04 11:40 AM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
Then Bush LIED. He payed out those refunds with the surplus he said was
there.
Gore said the surplus should be protected for a rainy day.
You can't have it both ways.

Horse****. Your making that one up.

Loco, did you actually WATCH the debate? What to do with the surplus was a
major sticking point.

RB

Bobsprit June 29th 04 11:42 AM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
Nonsense. There was money left over. It should have gone to reduce
the debt, but the President decided to give it back to us.

Ahhh, so now Horvath admits Clinton did create the surplus. Gore wanted to
protect it for a rainy day.
Guess what? It's been raining ever since Bush took office.

RB

Bobsprit June 29th 04 12:06 PM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
Clinton borrowed more money than he needed, balanced the budget, and
called the left over money a "surplus." Just another lie from the
crookedest administration in history.


Bush also called what Clinton did a "surplus" and debated with Gore about what
to do with it.
So Bush is also a liar then!

RB

Bobsprit June 29th 04 12:07 PM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
If you've
seen different number that's fine but that doesn't make me a dope.


No, but many other things you've said make you a dope. Your mindless backing of
a bad president who doesn't even support you also makes you one hell of a dope!

RB

Bobsprit June 29th 04 12:09 PM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
Many things go into making you a dope. The figure is $70 million, and if you
heard 50 million, it was probably some dope such as you saying that $70 million
was not enough and they should have spent an ADDITIONAL $50 million to find
nothing.


Well, in the case of Loco being right about 50 million, I guess it was okay
with him that 50 million was wasted.
He's a dope x 20 million.

RB

Horvath June 29th 04 12:12 PM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 01:14:51 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

So there was or wasn't a surplus? So Bu**** spent money that wasn't
from a surplus or it was. If it wasn't, he lied about there being one. If
there was, then Clinton presided over it. Which one stupid?


I suppose it's hard for you to understand. Too bad you never went
past sixth grade, Jethro.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Horvath June 29th 04 12:16 PM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
On 29 Jun 2004 10:42:59 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

Nonsense. There was money left over. It should have gone to reduce
the debt, but the President decided to give it back to us.

Ahhh, so now Horvath admits Clinton did create the surplus. Gore wanted to
protect it for a rainy day.


I know it's hard for you to understand. Slick Willie borrowed more
money than he needed, and called it a surplus. So there was money
left over, but it certainly wasn't a surplus.

Suppose you needed $1000 to pay off your bills at the end of the year?
You borrow $3000 and have $2000 left over. Now go tell your wife you
have a $2000 surplus to use for a HDTV.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Bobsprit June 29th 04 12:24 PM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
I know it's hard for you to understand. Slick Willie borrowed more
money than he needed, and called it a surplus. So there was money
left over, but it certainly wasn't a surplus.


Ahhhhh, I see! So then Bush lied and used the "fake" surplus to give everyone
300 dollars!
Got it!

RB

Wolfie June 29th 04 01:58 PM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
Horvath wrote:

There never was a surplus. Here's the figures for the National Debt:


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/28/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06
09/29/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00

SOURCE: BUREAU OF THE PUBLIC DEBT

As anyone can see, the debt increased every year. There never was a
surplus. It was another Clinton lie.


That's total debt, including both public and *government* owned
obligations. Only the public owned obligations reflect the budget
surplus (or deficit) -- the government owned ones reflect federal
agencies buying government securities as investments.

Public-owned debt was:

09/28/2001 3,339,310,176,094.74
09/29/2000 3,405,303,490,221.20
09/30/1999 3,636,104,594,501.81
09/30/1998 3,733,864,472,163.53
09/30/1997 3,789,667,546,849.60

Which clearly shows budget surpluses (from tax revenues being
greater than expenditures) in 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001.
It's now up to 4,218,409,719,114.26 (as of 6/25/04), an
increase of 879,099,543,019.52 for Bush's budgets so far.

At any rate your figures aren't accurate representations of
the budget process -- Clinton's last few budgets DID run
surpluses, more taxes being collected than the government
was spending. The difference between the *budget* and
the federal debt is government agencies -- trust funds, like
Social Security -- buying securities for investments.



Wolfie June 29th 04 02:02 PM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
Horvath wrote:

The budget HAS to be balanced every
year. If there's not enough, we increase the debt.


Right.

Clinton borrowed more money than he needed, balanced the budget, and
called the left over money a "surplus."


That's just nonsense. Clinton's last few budgets collected more
in taxes than the federal government spent, cutting the publicly
held portion of the federal debt. Meanwhile Social Security
(to name one) were buying federal securities because they were
collecting more money than they were spending as well, adding
to the overall debt by adding to the intergovernmental holdings.



DSK June 29th 04 02:42 PM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
Wolfie wrote:

At any rate your figures aren't accurate representations of
the budget process -


Of course not. The idea is not to tell the truth, but to tell a plausible
lie that supports the agenda... propaganda, in other words.


- Clinton's last few budgets DID run
surpluses, more taxes being collected than the government
was spending. The difference between the *budget* and
the federal debt is government agencies -- trust funds, like
Social Security -- buying securities for investments.


Carefuly, don't confuse the issue with facts. The basic point here is that
the Clinton-hatred industry has been *very* successful and is still
producing votes for the Republicans. This crowd has never been big on facts
& rational thought anyway.

DSK



Wolfie June 29th 04 03:08 PM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
DSK wrote:

The idea is not to tell the truth, but to tell a
plausible lie that supports the agenda...


It's a stretch to hope anyone would believe Congress,
controlled by Republicans, would have authorized
borrowing ~$200M more dollars (in one year, over
$300M total) than necessary to cover the budget so
Clinton could claim a budget surplus. So much for
plausibility....



Jonathan Ganz June 29th 04 04:39 PM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
I guess you are unable to answer a simple question with
your boyfriend in your mouth.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 01:14:51 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

So there was or wasn't a surplus? So Bu**** spent money that wasn't
from a surplus or it was. If it wasn't, he lied about there being one.

If
there was, then Clinton presided over it. Which one stupid?


I suppose it's hard for you to understand. Too bad you never went
past sixth grade, Jethro.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!




Jonathan Ganz June 29th 04 04:40 PM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
Whom did he borrow it from... your boyfriend?

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"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On 29 Jun 2004 10:42:59 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

Nonsense. There was money left over. It should have gone to reduce
the debt, but the President decided to give it back to us.

Ahhh, so now Horvath admits Clinton did create the surplus. Gore wanted

to
protect it for a rainy day.


I know it's hard for you to understand. Slick Willie borrowed more
money than he needed, and called it a surplus. So there was money
left over, but it certainly wasn't a surplus.

Suppose you needed $1000 to pay off your bills at the end of the year?
You borrow $3000 and have $2000 left over. Now go tell your wife you
have a $2000 surplus to use for a HDTV.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!




Jonathan Ganz June 29th 04 04:41 PM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
His "constituency" was the American people dumbass.

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On 29 Jun 2004 02:33:01 GMT, (Bobsprit) said:

Then Bush LIED. He payed out those refunds with the surplus he said was

there.
Gore said the surplus should be protected for a rainy day.


Only in the strange world inside the Beltway is a smaller increase in
spending than you projected deemed a "cut" in expenditures. Gore, of

course,
wanted to make sure that our taxes go to his constituency--the guvmint
bureaucrats, rather than back to the people who earned the money. They
might, after all, do something irresponsible like deciding that giving

more
tax money to the bureaucrats isn't a good idea, and then where would we

be?


Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

Who goes duck hunting with Jamie Gorelick?




felton June 29th 04 08:16 PM

Loco Loves Clinton
 
On 29 Jun 2004 14:10:08 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:02:21 GMT, "Wolfie" said:

Meanwhile Social Security
(to name one) were buying federal securities because they were
collecting more money than they were spending


And would that be the case if social security were operating on an accrual
basis, rather than a cash basis?


Are you suggesting that the Reagan and Bush deficits were the result
of more conservative accounting policies? Republicans love to spend
tax dollars just as much, if not more, than Democrats. The difference
seems to be that they don't want to actually pay for any of it.


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