On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:57:15 +1200, Navigator wrote
this crap:

Carter is a great ex-president.


After leaving the White House, he had no place to go but up.



I thought that was Monica!

No. Monica was only going down.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Amazingly, I agree with you.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
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On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:02:11 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Carter is a great ex-president.

After leaving the White House, he had no place to go but up.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 16:09:07 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:02:11 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
said:

Carter is a great ex-president.

Perhaps. But he was a lousy President.

Perhaps 9/11 would never have happened.

http://www.faultline.org/news/2001/1...ependence.html

Interesting theory... I guess we'll never know. BTW, when I
said Carter was a lousy pres, I didn't mean that he had bad
ideas. He just implemented them poorly, and he forgot that
the great unwashed are not interested in "belt tightening"
unless there is an urgent need and a just cause. All he did
was alienate people.

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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 16:09:07 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:02:11 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
said:

Carter is a great ex-president.

Perhaps. But he was a lousy President.

Perhaps 9/11 would never have happened.

http://www.faultline.org/news/2001/1...ependence.html

"thunder" wrote

Perhaps 9/11 would never have happened.

http://www.faultline.org/news/2001/1...ependence.html

We talk as tho there were only two options: energy independence or
terrorism. That's only true so long as we lack the guts to consider and
impliment others. For example, ever heard of a neutron bomb - a nuke that
kills everything for miles with minimal property damage using short-lived
radiation? We could simply eradicate the populations that produce and
support terrorism then suck up all the oil we need. Let's see, where to
start .....?

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:37:05 -0400, Vito wrote:


For example, ever heard of a neutron bomb - a nuke that
kills everything for miles with minimal property damage using short-lived
radiation? We could simply eradicate the populations that produce and
support terrorism then suck up all the oil we need. Let's see, where to
start .....?

Yeah, that would work. Guy, sooner or later, we are going to have to deal
with the oil situation. Many experts agree that we are at or approaching
peak oil. It just doesn't get any better than this.

"It has often been said that, if the human species fails to make a go of
it here on Earth, some other species will take over the running. In the
sense of developing high intelligence this is not correct. We have, or
soon will have, exhausted the necessary physical prerequisites so far as
this planet is concerned. With coal gone, oil gone, high-grade metallic
ores gone, no species however competent can make the long climb from
primitive conditions to high-level technology. This is a one-shot affair.
If we fail, this planetary system fails so far as intelligence is
concerned. The same will be true of other planetary systems. On each of
them there will be one chance, and one chance only." (Hoyle, 1964)

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 07:35:39 -0700, Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Interesting theory... I guess we'll never know. BTW, when I said Carter
was a lousy pres, I didn't mean that he had bad ideas. He just implemented
them poorly, and he forgot that the great unwashed are not interested in
"belt tightening" unless there is an urgent need and a just cause. All he
did was alienate people.

While I wouldn't call his Presidency successful, it was a long way from
the worst we have had. Somewhere along our way, someone promised us a
free lunch. We are still paying for it.

On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:37:05 -0400, "Vito" wrote
this crap:

"thunder" wrote

Perhaps 9/11 would never have happened.

http://www.faultline.org/news/2001/1...ependence.html

We talk as tho there were only two options: energy independence or
terrorism. That's only true so long as we lack the guts to consider and
impliment others. For example, ever heard of a neutron bomb - a nuke that
kills everything for miles with minimal property damage using short-lived
radiation? We could simply eradicate the populations that produce and
support terrorism then suck up all the oil we need. Let's see, where to
start .....?


California.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"thunder" wrote

"It has often been said that, if the human species fails to make a go of
it here on Earth, some other species will take over the running. In the
sense of developing high intelligence this is not correct. We have, or
soon will have, exhausted the necessary physical prerequisites so far as
this planet is concerned. ... The same will be true of other planetary
systems. On each of
them there will be one chance, and one chance only." (Hoyle, 1964)

We didn't know about astroid impacts and calderas back in '64. The
Yellowstone Caldera will force a restart long before all the resources are
gone. The last such event, only a third the size, knocked the human
population back to about 2000. This will be 3-4X worse but given our
technology even more will survive, perhaps as many as 100,000. There'll be
plenty for those few.