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Bob Crantz May 21st 04 04:01 AM

What will Kerry do?
 
1. Will he immediately withdraw all troops from Iraq?

2. Will he tighten the borders to stop illegal aliens?

3. Will he give the middle class a tax break?

4. Will he outspend Bush?

5. Will he see to it that corrupt big business men are prosecuted?

What is he going to do?

BC



Bobsprit May 21st 04 04:03 AM

What will Kerry do?
 
What is he going to do?


Much better and certainly no worse.

RB

Vito May 21st 04 02:24 PM

What will Kerry do?
 
"Bob Crantz" wrote

1. Will he immediately withdraw all troops from Iraq?

One can hope

2. Will he tighten the borders to stop illegal aliens?

"Illegal aliens" are to Bush what Jews were to Hitler: scapegoats to divert
our attention. Much of America depends on alien labor and many (most?)
illegals are only illegal because INS lacks manpower to process their
paperwork.

3. Will he give the middle class a tax break?

We need to eliminate Bush's to get back some fiscal sanity.

4. Will he outspend Bush?

Prolly impossible!

5. Will he see to it that corrupt big business men are prosecuted?

You mean Martha Stewert and similar dangers to society?

What is he going to do?

More important is what he's NOT likely to do? For example, he'll prolly
lift the Shrub's arbitrary ban on stem cell research, thus allowing
scientists to discover cures for diabete, and for nerve and heart damage
that disable 1000s.



Walt May 21st 04 06:48 PM

What will Kerry do?
 
Bob Crantz wrote:

1. Will he immediately withdraw all troops from Iraq?


Doubtful. He'll get us out of Iraq, but not via an immediate
withdrawal.

2. Will he tighten the borders to stop illegal aliens?


I would expect little change from the present policy.

3. Will he give the middle class a tax break?


Short term: no. Long term: yes. By getting the deficit under control,
the middle class will pay less in taxes in the long run under Kerry than
under Bush. Remember that the $500 BILLION annual deficit is a plan for
long term increases in taxes. (or maybe it's no plan at all, which
would be par for the course)

4. Will he outspend Bush?


I don't think so, even if he wanted to. Congress won't rubber-stamp his
proposals like they have for Bush. And he might actually veto a
spending bill as too expensive, something W hasn't had the courage to
do.

5. Will he see to it that corrupt big business men are prosecuted?


Absolutely. Elliot Spitzer for Attorney General! BTW, if this is a
point of concern for you, then you should under no circumstances vote
for a guy who appointed Harvey Pitt as SEC chair.

What is he going to do?


Govern like an adult.

Oh, and you forgot an important question: Does he know how to sail?

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Walt May 21st 04 08:46 PM

What will Kerry do?
 
Dave wrote:

Walt said:


BTW, if this is a
point of concern for you, then you should under no circumstances vote
for a guy who appointed Harvey Pitt as SEC chair.


Harvey Pitt's primary problem is not that he's too close to business. It's
that he's too close to the accounting profession, and occasionally shows
poor judgment in dealing with them.


You mean watching while Arthur Andersen & Enron imploded in a storm of
massive accounting fraud, all the while claiming that business can
regulate itself? and that SEC regulations were just too cumbersome?
That's not "poor judgment", that's willfully being a stooge.

And why hasn't Kenny Boy Lay been indicted yet? Do you think it has
anything to do with his connections as the #1 all-time contributor to
Bush's political campaigns?

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J Bard May 22nd 04 02:29 AM

What will Kerry do?
 
By 711 , 79 years after Mohammed's death, Arab armies invaded Spain,
having already conquered North Africa., most of the mid east and Persia .
Islam then spread east, with Muslim empires ruling over north India and it
's Hindu population and replacing Buddhism in Indonesia. In 1253 Muslim
armies conquered Constantinople and spread up the Balkans ; Vienna was
besieged as late as 1650. They have been at war with us since their
creation.

Muslims are now killing Christians in the Philippines, Buddhists in
southern Thailand , Hindus in Kashmere , Jews in Palestine , animist blacks
in the Sudan , Americans in New York and themselves in Algeria.

The reason is to be found in part in the Koran ; make an effort to read it.



Islam derives from a simplified badly understood Judeo-Christianity,
distorted by an aggressive medieval Arab tribalism; the Koran, compared to
the Old and New bible, is thematically and ideationally primitive ;
obsessive and repetitive in simple exhortations to believe . For most
Muslims the religion is a personality cult of Mohammed , further disturbed
by an appeal to humanity's need for existential order which has, again,
resulted in fascism. Driven by Arab patriarchalism we see societies
anti-female , prone to authoritarianism , ruled by dictators,
intellectually backward and , sexually dammed , seething with aggression
turned both inward and towards all it's neighbors. In a word, Muslim
cultures are sick, distortions of a healthy humanity , and to the extent
they are Muslim ,they must be. The word itself ,"islam" translates into
"submission"; if god does not exist , this is obviously insane ; if God does
, we might hope God has a different notion for human presence and ego in
the world. Clearly we are being told much of the illness of Islam as a
world view.
Leaving them alone is not feasible , as it risks atom bombs in Manhattan.
To be blunt; the Koran is profoundly * stupid * ; the work of
semi-literate primitives ; the religion has been picked up by the most
backward people on earth and it acts now to fuel their aggression. The "war"
in Iraq is a last attempt by the west to civilize ( to graft democracy and
law onto their repressive disorder) ; should it fail , it is likely we will
see an emboldened and lunatic Islam armed with WMD's ; a rational response
by the west would be the elimination of Islam's capacity to destroy; how
would you do this ? God bless George Bush for trying to deal with this in
a peaceful and limited fashion. Hope he succeeds.



"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
nk.net...
1. Will he immediately withdraw all troops from Iraq?

2. Will he tighten the borders to stop illegal aliens?

3. Will he give the middle class a tax break?

4. Will he outspend Bush?

5. Will he see to it that corrupt big business men are prosecuted?

What is he going to do?

BC





Capt. Mooron May 22nd 04 04:04 AM

What will Kerry do?
 
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

That's just s-s-s-o-o-o-o-o-o R-I-P-E!!!!

CM


"J Bard" wrote in message
hlink.net...
| By 711 , 79 years after Mohammed's death, Arab armies invaded Spain,
| having already conquered North Africa., most of the mid east and Persia
..
| Islam then spread east, with Muslim empires ruling over north India and
it
| 's Hindu population and replacing Buddhism in Indonesia. In 1253 Muslim
| armies conquered Constantinople and spread up the Balkans ; Vienna was
| besieged as late as 1650. They have been at war with us since their
| creation.
|
| Muslims are now killing Christians in the Philippines, Buddhists in
| southern Thailand , Hindus in Kashmere , Jews in Palestine , animist
blacks
| in the Sudan , Americans in New York and themselves in Algeria.
|
| The reason is to be found in part in the Koran ; make an effort to read
it.
|
|
|
| Islam derives from a simplified badly understood Judeo-Christianity,
| distorted by an aggressive medieval Arab tribalism; the Koran, compared
to
| the Old and New bible, is thematically and ideationally primitive ;
| obsessive and repetitive in simple exhortations to believe . For most
| Muslims the religion is a personality cult of Mohammed , further disturbed
| by an appeal to humanity's need for existential order which has, again,
| resulted in fascism. Driven by Arab patriarchalism we see societies
| anti-female , prone to authoritarianism , ruled by dictators,
| intellectually backward and , sexually dammed , seething with aggression
| turned both inward and towards all it's neighbors. In a word, Muslim
| cultures are sick, distortions of a healthy humanity , and to the extent
| they are Muslim ,they must be. The word itself ,"islam" translates into
| "submission"; if god does not exist , this is obviously insane ; if God
does
| , we might hope God has a different notion for human presence and ego in
| the world. Clearly we are being told much of the illness of Islam as a
| world view.
| Leaving them alone is not feasible , as it risks atom bombs in
Manhattan.
| To be blunt; the Koran is profoundly * stupid * ; the work of
| semi-literate primitives ; the religion has been picked up by the most
| backward people on earth and it acts now to fuel their aggression. The
"war"
| in Iraq is a last attempt by the west to civilize ( to graft democracy and
| law onto their repressive disorder) ; should it fail , it is likely we
will
| see an emboldened and lunatic Islam armed with WMD's ; a rational response
| by the west would be the elimination of Islam's capacity to destroy; how
| would you do this ? God bless George Bush for trying to deal with this
in
| a peaceful and limited fashion. Hope he succeeds.
|
|
|
| "Bob Crantz" wrote in message
| nk.net...
| 1. Will he immediately withdraw all troops from Iraq?
|
| 2. Will he tighten the borders to stop illegal aliens?
|
| 3. Will he give the middle class a tax break?
|
| 4. Will he outspend Bush?
|
| 5. Will he see to it that corrupt big business men are prosecuted?
|
| What is he going to do?
|
| BC
|
|
|
|



Bob Crantz May 22nd 04 04:36 AM

What will Kerry do?
 
You are absolutely right. I feel no pity for the Islamics, for they are
non-Christian and animals. They are no different than Nazis and deserve what
they are now receiving. God Bless you for your wisdom and courage.

BC



"J Bard" wrote in message
hlink.net...
By 711 , 79 years after Mohammed's death, Arab armies invaded Spain,
having already conquered North Africa., most of the mid east and Persia

..
Islam then spread east, with Muslim empires ruling over north India and

it
's Hindu population and replacing Buddhism in Indonesia. In 1253 Muslim
armies conquered Constantinople and spread up the Balkans ; Vienna was
besieged as late as 1650. They have been at war with us since their
creation.

Muslims are now killing Christians in the Philippines, Buddhists in
southern Thailand , Hindus in Kashmere , Jews in Palestine , animist

blacks
in the Sudan , Americans in New York and themselves in Algeria.

The reason is to be found in part in the Koran ; make an effort to read

it.



Islam derives from a simplified badly understood Judeo-Christianity,
distorted by an aggressive medieval Arab tribalism; the Koran, compared

to
the Old and New bible, is thematically and ideationally primitive ;
obsessive and repetitive in simple exhortations to believe . For most
Muslims the religion is a personality cult of Mohammed , further disturbed
by an appeal to humanity's need for existential order which has, again,
resulted in fascism. Driven by Arab patriarchalism we see societies
anti-female , prone to authoritarianism , ruled by dictators,
intellectually backward and , sexually dammed , seething with aggression
turned both inward and towards all it's neighbors. In a word, Muslim
cultures are sick, distortions of a healthy humanity , and to the extent
they are Muslim ,they must be. The word itself ,"islam" translates into
"submission"; if god does not exist , this is obviously insane ; if God

does
, we might hope God has a different notion for human presence and ego in
the world. Clearly we are being told much of the illness of Islam as a
world view.
Leaving them alone is not feasible , as it risks atom bombs in

Manhattan.
To be blunt; the Koran is profoundly * stupid * ; the work of
semi-literate primitives ; the religion has been picked up by the most
backward people on earth and it acts now to fuel their aggression. The

"war"
in Iraq is a last attempt by the west to civilize ( to graft democracy and
law onto their repressive disorder) ; should it fail , it is likely we

will
see an emboldened and lunatic Islam armed with WMD's ; a rational response
by the west would be the elimination of Islam's capacity to destroy; how
would you do this ? God bless George Bush for trying to deal with this

in
a peaceful and limited fashion. Hope he succeeds.



"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
nk.net...
1. Will he immediately withdraw all troops from Iraq?

2. Will he tighten the borders to stop illegal aliens?

3. Will he give the middle class a tax break?

4. Will he outspend Bush?

5. Will he see to it that corrupt big business men are prosecuted?

What is he going to do?

BC







Capt. Mooron May 22nd 04 05:00 AM

What will Kerry do?
 
Seems to me like you think that breeding generations of warriors with a
cause to destroy your lifestyle is somehow constructive practice???

Crantz... have you ever cornered a rat??.... how about a hundred rats at
the end of a conveyor belt on a grain elevator ?? Bet Ya you'll run for
your life when they figure out they have nowhere to run and turn on you.
They will turn on you you know!

Let's face some facts..... with all the star wars technology you have at
your disposal.... you still can't control your troops or direct your fire
to effectively decimate your opponents! What should that tell you my fat
complacent friend with the superiority complex??

To date the USA has failed miserably to deliver on any of it's
objectives..... stupidity or naivety... the end result is the same....
mission failure! Wake Up... if you want the bragging rights.... do the
friggin' job or shut the **** up! This chest pounding bull**** falls pretty
hollow when in the light of day the you've once again failed to cash the
check your mouth has written.

Don't blame the troops pal.... blame the friggin' generals. Idiots all.....

The world is starting to sympathize with your foes..... and all you are
doing is confirming their beliefs.

Way to go Ex Lax!

CM



"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
| You are absolutely right. I feel no pity for the Islamics, for they are
| non-Christian and animals. They are no different than Nazis and deserve
what
| they are now receiving. God Bless you for your wisdom and courage.
|
| BC
|
|
|
| "J Bard" wrote in message
| hlink.net...
| By 711 , 79 years after Mohammed's death, Arab armies invaded Spain,
| having already conquered North Africa., most of the mid east and
Persia
| .
| Islam then spread east, with Muslim empires ruling over north India
and
| it
| 's Hindu population and replacing Buddhism in Indonesia. In 1253
Muslim
| armies conquered Constantinople and spread up the Balkans ; Vienna was
| besieged as late as 1650. They have been at war with us since their
| creation.
|
| Muslims are now killing Christians in the Philippines, Buddhists in
| southern Thailand , Hindus in Kashmere , Jews in Palestine , animist
| blacks
| in the Sudan , Americans in New York and themselves in Algeria.
|
| The reason is to be found in part in the Koran ; make an effort to read
| it.
|
|
|
| Islam derives from a simplified badly understood Judeo-Christianity,
| distorted by an aggressive medieval Arab tribalism; the Koran, compared
| to
| the Old and New bible, is thematically and ideationally primitive ;
| obsessive and repetitive in simple exhortations to believe . For most
| Muslims the religion is a personality cult of Mohammed , further
disturbed
| by an appeal to humanity's need for existential order which has, again,
| resulted in fascism. Driven by Arab patriarchalism we see societies
| anti-female , prone to authoritarianism , ruled by dictators,
| intellectually backward and , sexually dammed , seething with aggression
| turned both inward and towards all it's neighbors. In a word, Muslim
| cultures are sick, distortions of a healthy humanity , and to the
extent
| they are Muslim ,they must be. The word itself ,"islam" translates
into
| "submission"; if god does not exist , this is obviously insane ; if God
| does
| , we might hope God has a different notion for human presence and ego
in
| the world. Clearly we are being told much of the illness of Islam as a
| world view.
| Leaving them alone is not feasible , as it risks atom bombs in
| Manhattan.
| To be blunt; the Koran is profoundly * stupid * ; the work of
| semi-literate primitives ; the religion has been picked up by the most
| backward people on earth and it acts now to fuel their aggression. The
| "war"
| in Iraq is a last attempt by the west to civilize ( to graft democracy
and
| law onto their repressive disorder) ; should it fail , it is likely we
| will
| see an emboldened and lunatic Islam armed with WMD's ; a rational
response
| by the west would be the elimination of Islam's capacity to destroy;
how
| would you do this ? God bless George Bush for trying to deal with this
| in
| a peaceful and limited fashion. Hope he succeeds.
|
|
|
| "Bob Crantz" wrote in message
| nk.net...
| 1. Will he immediately withdraw all troops from Iraq?
|
| 2. Will he tighten the borders to stop illegal aliens?
|
| 3. Will he give the middle class a tax break?
|
| 4. Will he outspend Bush?
|
| 5. Will he see to it that corrupt big business men are prosecuted?
|
| What is he going to do?
|
| BC
|
|
|
|
|
|



Bob Crantz May 22nd 04 01:42 PM

What will Kerry do?
 
From what country do these terrorists regularly enter the US?

When we're done in the middle east, you're next.

Seems to me like you think that breeding generations of warriors with a
cause to destroy your lifestyle is somehow constructive practice???


Warrior = strapping bombs to children and pregnant ladies. Blowing up school
busses. Attacking civilians. Is that YOUR warrior ethic?


Crantz... have you ever cornered a rat??.... how about a hundred rats at
the end of a conveyor belt on a grain elevator ?? Bet Ya you'll run for
your life when they figure out they have nowhere to run and turn on you.
They will turn on you you know!


I thought they were noble warriors, now you are calling them rats. At least
be consistent when you rant. Have another blunt.


Let's face some facts..... with all the star wars technology you have at
your disposal.... you still can't control your troops or direct your fire
to effectively decimate your opponents!


Not true at all. That's why these rats can't mount a concerted attack,
they'll be decimated.


What should that tell you my fat
complacent friend with the superiority complex??


All wrong, I'm not fat at all, not complacent and certainly not your friend.
You're a stark raving mad idiot. You make no sense. Go back into the frozen
tundra where you belong. Go and converse with some kit-fox noodle brain.

To date the USA has failed miserably to deliver on any of it's
objectives..... stupidity or naivety... the end result is the same....
mission failure!


Did the not capture Bagdad? Hussien? Route the Taliban in Afghanistan?
Attack terror attacks on US soil lately? Your attacks have failed miserably!
Mission failure for you!

Wake Up... if you want the bragging rights.... do the
friggin' job or shut the **** up! This chest pounding bull**** falls

pretty
hollow when in the light of day the you've once again failed to cash the
check your mouth has written.


I'm crying all the way to the bank. If you want to lambast someone, at least
have something to back yourself up with. You're an idiot. One question, what
military outfit were you in?


Don't blame the troops pal.... blame the friggin' generals. Idiots

all.....

A mindless cliche parroted for generations. US generals carry out the
political will of the US by use of force. You're wacko enough to blame the
paint manufacturers for the humvee.


The world is starting to sympathize with your foes..... and all you are
doing is confirming their beliefs.


The US leads, the rest follow. Apparently to you a vote alone is enough to
determine right and wrong as you seem to have no moral compass.

Are you some type of character actor, hermit or village idiot? Really.

BC


Way to go Ex Lax!

CM



"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
| You are absolutely right. I feel no pity for the Islamics, for they are
| non-Christian and animals. They are no different than Nazis and deserve
what
| they are now receiving. God Bless you for your wisdom and courage.
|
| BC
|
|
|
| "J Bard" wrote in message
| hlink.net...
| By 711 , 79 years after Mohammed's death, Arab armies invaded

Spain,
| having already conquered North Africa., most of the mid east and
Persia
| .
| Islam then spread east, with Muslim empires ruling over north India
and
| it
| 's Hindu population and replacing Buddhism in Indonesia. In 1253
Muslim
| armies conquered Constantinople and spread up the Balkans ; Vienna was
| besieged as late as 1650. They have been at war with us since their
| creation.
|
| Muslims are now killing Christians in the Philippines, Buddhists in
| southern Thailand , Hindus in Kashmere , Jews in Palestine , animist
| blacks
| in the Sudan , Americans in New York and themselves in Algeria.
|
| The reason is to be found in part in the Koran ; make an effort to

read
| it.
|
|
|
| Islam derives from a simplified badly understood Judeo-Christianity,
| distorted by an aggressive medieval Arab tribalism; the Koran,

compared
| to
| the Old and New bible, is thematically and ideationally primitive ;
| obsessive and repetitive in simple exhortations to believe . For most
| Muslims the religion is a personality cult of Mohammed , further
disturbed
| by an appeal to humanity's need for existential order which has,

again,
| resulted in fascism. Driven by Arab patriarchalism we see societies
| anti-female , prone to authoritarianism , ruled by dictators,
| intellectually backward and , sexually dammed , seething with

aggression
| turned both inward and towards all it's neighbors. In a word, Muslim
| cultures are sick, distortions of a healthy humanity , and to the
extent
| they are Muslim ,they must be. The word itself ,"islam" translates
into
| "submission"; if god does not exist , this is obviously insane ; if

God
| does
| , we might hope God has a different notion for human presence and ego
in
| the world. Clearly we are being told much of the illness of Islam as

a
| world view.
| Leaving them alone is not feasible , as it risks atom bombs in
| Manhattan.
| To be blunt; the Koran is profoundly * stupid * ; the work of
| semi-literate primitives ; the religion has been picked up by the

most
| backward people on earth and it acts now to fuel their aggression. The
| "war"
| in Iraq is a last attempt by the west to civilize ( to graft democracy
and
| law onto their repressive disorder) ; should it fail , it is likely we
| will
| see an emboldened and lunatic Islam armed with WMD's ; a rational
response
| by the west would be the elimination of Islam's capacity to destroy;
how
| would you do this ? God bless George Bush for trying to deal with

this
| in
| a peaceful and limited fashion. Hope he succeeds.
|
|
|
| "Bob Crantz" wrote in message
| nk.net...
| 1. Will he immediately withdraw all troops from Iraq?
|
| 2. Will he tighten the borders to stop illegal aliens?
|
| 3. Will he give the middle class a tax break?
|
| 4. Will he outspend Bush?
|
| 5. Will he see to it that corrupt big business men are prosecuted?
|
| What is he going to do?
|
| BC
|
|
|
|
|
|





Bobsprit May 22nd 04 01:58 PM

What will Kerry do?
 
When we're done in the middle east, you're next.

We can't afford it. Really.


RB

Bobsprit May 22nd 04 01:58 PM

What will Kerry do?
 
Is that YOUR warrior ethic?


Warrior and ETHICS? Bwahahahahaha!

RB

Bobsprit May 22nd 04 02:00 PM

What will Kerry do?
 
Not true at all. That's why these rats can't mount a concerted attack,
they'll be decimated.

You have no understanding of this foe or what drives them. None.

RB

Joe May 22nd 04 02:50 PM

What will Kerry do?
 
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
Seems to me like you think that breeding generations of warriors with a
cause to destroy your lifestyle is somehow constructive practice???

Crantz... have you ever cornered a rat??.... how about a hundred rats at
the end of a conveyor belt on a grain elevator ?? Bet Ya you'll run for
your life when they figure out they have nowhere to run and turn on you.
They will turn on you you know!


Crantz is neal ya know?



Let's face some facts..... with all the star wars technology you have at
your disposal.... you still can't control your troops or direct your fire
to effectively decimate your opponents! What should that tell you my fat
complacent friend with the superiority complex??


We need more practice?



To date the USA has failed miserably to deliver on any of it's
objectives..... stupidity or naivety... the end result is the same....
mission failure! Wake Up... if you want the bragging rights.... do the
friggin' job or shut the **** up! This chest pounding bull**** falls pretty
hollow when in the light of day the you've once again failed to cash the
check your mouth has written.


Saddams out, ossama's kicking rat turds in a cave, and we are still
working on the rest of the issues. Please bear with us.


Don't blame the troops pal.... blame the friggin' generals. Idiots all.....



Compared to the genious iraqi bombers that take out 10-20 locals
compared to thier targets.



The world is starting to sympathize with your foes..... and all you are
doing is confirming their beliefs.


Starting.....sheeze were have you been, oh i forgot your were in a
frozen wasteland.


Welcome back;)

Joe

Way to go Ex Lax!

CM



"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
| You are absolutely right. I feel no pity for the Islamics, for they are
| non-Christian and animals. They are no different than Nazis and deserve
what
| they are now receiving. God Bless you for your wisdom and courage.
|
| BC
|
|
|
| "J Bard" wrote in message
| hlink.net...
| By 711 , 79 years after Mohammed's death, Arab armies invaded Spain,
| having already conquered North Africa., most of the mid east and
Persia
.
| Islam then spread east, with Muslim empires ruling over north India
and
it
| 's Hindu population and replacing Buddhism in Indonesia. In 1253
Muslim
| armies conquered Constantinople and spread up the Balkans ; Vienna was
| besieged as late as 1650. They have been at war with us since their
| creation.
|
| Muslims are now killing Christians in the Philippines, Buddhists in
| southern Thailand , Hindus in Kashmere , Jews in Palestine , animist
blacks
| in the Sudan , Americans in New York and themselves in Algeria.
|
| The reason is to be found in part in the Koran ; make an effort to read
it.
|
|
|
| Islam derives from a simplified badly understood Judeo-Christianity,
| distorted by an aggressive medieval Arab tribalism; the Koran, compared
to
| the Old and New bible, is thematically and ideationally primitive ;
| obsessive and repetitive in simple exhortations to believe . For most
| Muslims the religion is a personality cult of Mohammed , further
disturbed
| by an appeal to humanity's need for existential order which has, again,
| resulted in fascism. Driven by Arab patriarchalism we see societies
| anti-female , prone to authoritarianism , ruled by dictators,
| intellectually backward and , sexually dammed , seething with aggression
| turned both inward and towards all it's neighbors. In a word, Muslim
| cultures are sick, distortions of a healthy humanity , and to the
extent
| they are Muslim ,they must be. The word itself ,"islam" translates
into
| "submission"; if god does not exist , this is obviously insane ; if God
does
| , we might hope God has a different notion for human presence and ego
in
| the world. Clearly we are being told much of the illness of Islam as a
| world view.
| Leaving them alone is not feasible , as it risks atom bombs in
Manhattan.
| To be blunt; the Koran is profoundly * stupid * ; the work of
| semi-literate primitives ; the religion has been picked up by the most
| backward people on earth and it acts now to fuel their aggression. The
"war"
| in Iraq is a last attempt by the west to civilize ( to graft democracy
and
| law onto their repressive disorder) ; should it fail , it is likely we
will
| see an emboldened and lunatic Islam armed with WMD's ; a rational
response
| by the west would be the elimination of Islam's capacity to destroy;
how
| would you do this ? God bless George Bush for trying to deal with this
in
| a peaceful and limited fashion. Hope he succeeds.
|
|
|
| "Bob Crantz" wrote in message
| nk.net...
| 1. Will he immediately withdraw all troops from Iraq?
|
| 2. Will he tighten the borders to stop illegal aliens?
|
| 3. Will he give the middle class a tax break?
|
| 4. Will he outspend Bush?
|
| 5. Will he see to it that corrupt big business men are prosecuted?
|
| What is he going to do?
|
| BC
|
|
|
|
|
|


Jonathan Ganz May 22nd 04 03:49 PM

What will Kerry do?
 
You and the other woman are obviously idiots.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
You are absolutely right. I feel no pity for the Islamics,




Jonathan Ganz May 22nd 04 03:50 PM

What will Kerry do?
 
How about threatening everyone who you don't
agree with... try your next door neighbor first.

What an idiot.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
From what country do these terrorists regularly enter the US?

When we're done in the middle east, you're next.

Seems to me like you think that breeding generations of warriors with a
cause to destroy your lifestyle is somehow constructive practice???


Warrior = strapping bombs to children and pregnant ladies. Blowing up

school
busses. Attacking civilians. Is that YOUR warrior ethic?


Crantz... have you ever cornered a rat??.... how about a hundred rats

at
the end of a conveyor belt on a grain elevator ?? Bet Ya you'll run for
your life when they figure out they have nowhere to run and turn on you.
They will turn on you you know!


I thought they were noble warriors, now you are calling them rats. At

least
be consistent when you rant. Have another blunt.


Let's face some facts..... with all the star wars technology you have

at
your disposal.... you still can't control your troops or direct your

fire
to effectively decimate your opponents!


Not true at all. That's why these rats can't mount a concerted attack,
they'll be decimated.


What should that tell you my fat
complacent friend with the superiority complex??


All wrong, I'm not fat at all, not complacent and certainly not your

friend.
You're a stark raving mad idiot. You make no sense. Go back into the

frozen
tundra where you belong. Go and converse with some kit-fox noodle brain.

To date the USA has failed miserably to deliver on any of it's
objectives..... stupidity or naivety... the end result is the same....
mission failure!


Did the not capture Bagdad? Hussien? Route the Taliban in Afghanistan?
Attack terror attacks on US soil lately? Your attacks have failed

miserably!
Mission failure for you!

Wake Up... if you want the bragging rights.... do the
friggin' job or shut the **** up! This chest pounding bull**** falls

pretty
hollow when in the light of day the you've once again failed to cash the
check your mouth has written.


I'm crying all the way to the bank. If you want to lambast someone, at

least
have something to back yourself up with. You're an idiot. One question,

what
military outfit were you in?


Don't blame the troops pal.... blame the friggin' generals. Idiots

all.....

A mindless cliche parroted for generations. US generals carry out the
political will of the US by use of force. You're wacko enough to blame the
paint manufacturers for the humvee.


The world is starting to sympathize with your foes..... and all you are
doing is confirming their beliefs.


The US leads, the rest follow. Apparently to you a vote alone is enough to
determine right and wrong as you seem to have no moral compass.

Are you some type of character actor, hermit or village idiot? Really.

BC


Way to go Ex Lax!

CM



"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
| You are absolutely right. I feel no pity for the Islamics, for they

are
| non-Christian and animals. They are no different than Nazis and

deserve
what
| they are now receiving. God Bless you for your wisdom and courage.
|
| BC
|
|
|
| "J Bard" wrote in message
| hlink.net...
| By 711 , 79 years after Mohammed's death, Arab armies invaded

Spain,
| having already conquered North Africa., most of the mid east and
Persia
| .
| Islam then spread east, with Muslim empires ruling over north India
and
| it
| 's Hindu population and replacing Buddhism in Indonesia. In 1253
Muslim
| armies conquered Constantinople and spread up the Balkans ; Vienna

was
| besieged as late as 1650. They have been at war with us since their
| creation.
|
| Muslims are now killing Christians in the Philippines, Buddhists

in
| southern Thailand , Hindus in Kashmere , Jews in Palestine , animist
| blacks
| in the Sudan , Americans in New York and themselves in Algeria.
|
| The reason is to be found in part in the Koran ; make an effort to

read
| it.
|
|
|
| Islam derives from a simplified badly understood

Judeo-Christianity,
| distorted by an aggressive medieval Arab tribalism; the Koran,

compared
| to
| the Old and New bible, is thematically and ideationally primitive ;
| obsessive and repetitive in simple exhortations to believe . For

most
| Muslims the religion is a personality cult of Mohammed , further
disturbed
| by an appeal to humanity's need for existential order which has,

again,
| resulted in fascism. Driven by Arab patriarchalism we see

societies
| anti-female , prone to authoritarianism , ruled by dictators,
| intellectually backward and , sexually dammed , seething with

aggression
| turned both inward and towards all it's neighbors. In a word, Muslim
| cultures are sick, distortions of a healthy humanity , and to the
extent
| they are Muslim ,they must be. The word itself ,"islam" translates
into
| "submission"; if god does not exist , this is obviously insane ; if

God
| does
| , we might hope God has a different notion for human presence and

ego
in
| the world. Clearly we are being told much of the illness of Islam

as
a
| world view.
| Leaving them alone is not feasible , as it risks atom bombs in
| Manhattan.
| To be blunt; the Koran is profoundly * stupid * ; the work of
| semi-literate primitives ; the religion has been picked up by the

most
| backward people on earth and it acts now to fuel their aggression.

The
| "war"
| in Iraq is a last attempt by the west to civilize ( to graft

democracy
and
| law onto their repressive disorder) ; should it fail , it is likely

we
| will
| see an emboldened and lunatic Islam armed with WMD's ; a rational
response
| by the west would be the elimination of Islam's capacity to

destroy;
how
| would you do this ? God bless George Bush for trying to deal with

this
| in
| a peaceful and limited fashion. Hope he succeeds.
|
|
|
| "Bob Crantz" wrote in message
| nk.net...
| 1. Will he immediately withdraw all troops from Iraq?
|
| 2. Will he tighten the borders to stop illegal aliens?
|
| 3. Will he give the middle class a tax break?
|
| 4. Will he outspend Bush?
|
| 5. Will he see to it that corrupt big business men are prosecuted?
|
| What is he going to do?
|
| BC
|
|
|
|
|
|







Horvath May 22nd 04 09:27 PM

What will Kerry do?
 
On Sat, 22 May 2004 01:00:44 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote this crap:


To date the USA has failed miserably to deliver on any of it's
objectives..... stupidity or naivety... the end result is the same....
mission failure!


What the **** are you talking about?




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Donal May 23rd 04 12:48 AM

What will Kerry do?
 

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...

Did the not capture Bagdad? Hussien? Route the Taliban in Afghanistan?
Attack terror attacks on US soil lately? Your attacks have failed

miserably!
Mission failure for you!


Did not Bush land on an aircraft carrier and state that "the war is over"?

Why did I hear three Americans on the radio talk about the "war in Iraq"
this week?




Regards


Donal
--




SAIL LOCO May 23rd 04 01:22 AM

What will Kerry do?
 
,,,Did not Bush land on an aircraft carrier and state that "the war is
over"?

Why did I hear three Americans on the radio talk about the "war in Iraq"
this week?.

Never happened. He said "mission accomplished" meaning that Saddam was
history.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Bobsprit May 23rd 04 03:57 AM

What will Kerry do?
 
Never happened. He said "mission accomplished" meaning that Saddam was
history.

Then why are Americans stilling dying there if it's "mission accomplished?"

RB

Jonathan Ganz May 23rd 04 04:54 AM

What will Kerry do?
 
He said major hostilities were over. He was wrong.

He said mission accomplished. He was wrong.

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
,,,Did not Bush land on an aircraft carrier and state that "the war is
over"?

Why did I hear three Americans on the radio talk about the "war in Iraq"
this week?.

Never happened. He said "mission accomplished" meaning that Saddam was
history.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"




Jonathan Ganz May 23rd 04 04:54 AM

What will Kerry do?
 
Something a moron like you would never understand...
facts.

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 May 2004 01:00:44 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote this crap:


To date the USA has failed miserably to deliver on any of it's
objectives..... stupidity or naivety... the end result is the same....
mission failure!


What the **** are you talking about?




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!




Donal May 23rd 04 11:09 PM

What will Kerry do?
 

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
,,,Did not Bush land on an aircraft carrier and state that "the war is
over"?

Why did I hear three Americans on the radio talk about the "war in Iraq"
this week?.

Never happened. He said "mission accomplished" meaning that Saddam was
history.


Surely the troops will go home when the mission is accomplished?


Regards

Donal
--




Bobsprit May 24th 04 03:20 AM

What will Kerry do?
 
Never happened. He said "mission accomplished" meaning that Saddam was
history.


Surely the troops will go home when the mission is accomplished?

No. Clearly you don't speak Bush.

At the time it meant:
Saddam is still missing.
Bin Laden is still missing (STILL!)
Danger to Americans will increase
Cost of war will gain a hundred fold.
US will end up be a target.


Mission Accomplished. Yup.

RB


Capt. Mooron May 24th 04 03:27 AM

What will Kerry do?
 

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message

| From what country do these terrorists regularly enter the US?

US Customs and Immigration..... usually with free passes to aviation schools
from what I understand?

|
| When we're done in the middle east, you're next.

As long as we're not your allies.... your chances of shooting us have
already dropped considerably!

| Warrior = strapping bombs to children and pregnant ladies. Blowing up
school
| busses. Attacking civilians. Is that YOUR warrior ethic?

I don't care to comment on the methodology Bob.... the fact is you're
encouraging them in vast numbers.

| I thought they were noble warriors, now you are calling them rats. At
least
| be consistent when you rant. Have another blunt.

Sure... what are you smokin' these days... I'll try a puff.

| Not true at all. That's why these rats can't mount a concerted attack,
| they'll be decimated.

There are more terrorists in Irag now than there ever was..... and the way
you guys shoot they'll be a lot more.

| All wrong, I'm not fat at all, not complacent and certainly not your
friend.
| You're a stark raving mad idiot. You make no sense. Go back into the
frozen
| tundra where you belong. Go and converse with some kit-fox noodle brain.

There you go getting all emotional......

| Did the not capture Bagdad? Hussien? Route the Taliban in Afghanistan?
| Attack terror attacks on US soil lately? Your attacks have failed
miserably!
| Mission failure for you!

You've effectively doubled the recruitment for suicide bombers, displayed
the worst strategy imaginable in your Iraq invasion, failed to deliver
peace to Iraq, failed to find Osama, depended on allies like Canada to
undertake support from your failed Afghanistan action, ..... need I go on?

| I'm crying all the way to the bank. If you want to lambast someone, at
least
| have something to back yourself up with. You're an idiot. One question,
what
| military outfit were you in?

I never served in any military.... then again that's not a big issue here in
Canada.

| A mindless cliche parroted for generations. US generals carry out the
| political will of the US by use of force. You're wacko enough to blame the
| paint manufacturers for the humvee.

Say what???? you're blabbering again!


| The US leads, the rest follow. Apparently to you a vote alone is enough to
| determine right and wrong as you seem to have no moral compass.

That's ripe.... you accusing someone of lacking a moral compass!!
Bwahahahahahahaaaa!!

|
| Are you some type of character actor, hermit or village idiot? Really.

I believe you've already been awarded all those choice parts in this
movie..... I'll just watch the show and comment on the lack of a believable
plot line.

CM



Horvath May 24th 04 12:03 PM

What will Kerry do?
 
On 24 May 2004 02:20:52 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:


Surely the troops will go home when the mission is accomplished?



Just like Germany?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

DSK May 24th 04 02:35 PM

What will Kerry do?
 
Dave wrote:
Harvey Pitt's primary problem is not that he's too close to business. It's
that he's too close to the accounting profession, and occasionally shows
poor judgment in dealing with them.



Walt wrote:
You mean watching while Arthur Andersen & Enron imploded in a storm of
massive accounting fraud, all the while claiming that business can
regulate itself? and that SEC regulations were just too cumbersome?
That's not "poor judgment", that's willfully being a stooge.


But Walt, you have to understand... this is the "new model" for
prosperity & American business ethics... don't resist the corporate
kleptocracy, embrace it. Lack of ethics isn't a problem, it's policy.

It's just like all those brain-damaged hippies whining about how the
government environmental agencies should actually protect the
environment instead of being pollution enablers.


And why hasn't Kenny Boy Lay been indicted yet? Do you think it has
anything to do with his connections as the #1 all-time contributor to
Bush's political campaigns?


Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

DSK


Thom Stewart May 24th 04 05:06 PM

What will Kerry do?
 
Donal,

Surely the troop will go home when mission if accomplished


If I'm not mistaken, there are still American Troops in Europe from the
time of WW2?


Bobsprit May 24th 04 05:23 PM

What will Kerry do?
 
Surely the troop will go home when mission if accomplished

If I'm not mistaken, there are still American Troops in Europe from the
time of WW2?

Not quite the same thing, now is it Thom?
The young Americans in Iraq are being shot at daily. For what? So we can all
pay 3 dollars a gallon for gas and see the deficit reach new heights?
Bush has done worse than ANYONE feared.

RB

Donal May 24th 04 11:59 PM

What will Kerry do?
 

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Donal,

Surely the troop will go home when mission if accomplished


If I'm not mistaken, there are still American Troops in Europe from the
time of WW2?



... but they are not getting shot at. In fact they are part of a very
agreeable business arrangement. The local economies get lots of dollars,
and the US gets influence, intelligence and the ability to project its
power. The current objectives in Europe are very different from the
original.




Regards


Donal
--







Joe May 25th 04 12:08 AM

What will Kerry do?
 
(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
Surely the troop will go home when mission if accomplished


If I'm not mistaken, there are still American Troops in Europe from the
time of WW2?

Not quite the same thing, now is it Thom?
The young Americans in Iraq are being shot at daily.



Blobster,

Americans were getting killed by the 100's for months after the
Germans surrendered. It took quite a long time before things calmed
down.


Joe

RB


Thom Stewart May 25th 04 03:21 AM

What will Kerry do?
 
Nutsy,

In Europe, they shot at us for 4 yrs and killed a hell of a lot more of
than 1000. After our Mission Accomplished, we had to stay for the war
crime trials, Berlin Air Lift, Truman Doctrine Admin, Teach our enemy
the Art of mass production of Auto, Target Rifles, Assemble NATO,
etc------

Hell, we haven't even started in Iraq! It's only the second year! Give
us time. They only dislike us and fear us. When we get finished they'll
HATE US & DISPISE US!

OT


Thom Stewart May 25th 04 03:41 AM

What will Kerry do?
 
Nutsy,

I forgot to tell you, during WW2 the average Joe was given an "A" to put
on his wind shield. With this stamp he was allowed to buy 3 gallon of
Gas a week.
3 gallons, Nutsy, no more. You gave up your date "A" stamped and that
was it. When you had a "Hot Date, it wasn't uncommon to pay $5.00 bucks
for One stinking gallon of Gas on bootleg market, to get to the movies,
get to "Lover's Lane" and get home on fumes.

I was making .60 cents an hour at that time and that wasn't bad for that
time.

Man! WW2 wasn't all blood and Guts. It was bloody hell to a Horny 17yrs
old, waiting to get call up.

OT


Capt. Mooron May 29th 04 04:45 AM

What will Kerry do?
 
That's what I like about you Ole Thom..... straight shots... dead on
target.... and you don't even bother to aim because the mark is preordained
by intellect and wisdom!

You're one of the reasons why I admire and respect the USA!!

No excuses, no explanations...... just action and results!!

CM

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
| Hell, we haven't even started in Iraq! It's only the second year! Give
| us time. They only dislike us and fear us. When we get finished they'll
| HATE US & DISPISE US!
|
| OT
|



Jim Cate June 1st 04 02:12 PM

What will Kerry do?
 


Bob Crantz wrote:
1. Will he immediately withdraw all troops from Iraq?

2. Will he tighten the borders to stop illegal aliens?

3. Will he give the middle class a tax break?

4. Will he outspend Bush?

5. Will he see to it that corrupt big business men are prosecuted?

What is he going to do?

BC


None of the above. - First of all, he will establish regulations
outlawing the bashing of MacGregor yachts and MacGregor owners by asa
participants who, with rare exceptions, have never even sailed the
particular boats they are complaining about. He will also establish
Federal criminal penalties for scumballs and cowards hiding behind false
identities to ridicule MacGregor owners and slander the reputation of
MacGregor Corp., R. MacGregor, etc.

Jim


Jonathan Ganz June 1st 04 03:38 PM

What will Kerry do?
 
Hahaha.... good one. You forgot to blame Clinton though.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Bob Crantz wrote:
1. Will he immediately withdraw all troops from Iraq?

2. Will he tighten the borders to stop illegal aliens?

3. Will he give the middle class a tax break?

4. Will he outspend Bush?

5. Will he see to it that corrupt big business men are prosecuted?

What is he going to do?

BC


None of the above. - First of all, he will establish regulations
outlawing the bashing of MacGregor yachts and MacGregor owners by asa
participants who, with rare exceptions, have never even sailed the
particular boats they are complaining about. He will also establish
Federal criminal penalties for scumballs and cowards hiding behind false
identities to ridicule MacGregor owners and slander the reputation of
MacGregor Corp., R. MacGregor, etc.

Jim




Jeff Morris June 1st 04 07:11 PM

What will Kerry do?
 
So Jim, how's the new boat? The least you can do is tell us about your
adventures!

BTW, I know this is a bit pricier than your choice, but otherwise satisfies all
of your requirements:

http://www.geminicatamarans.com/Performance_Telstar.htm





"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Bob Crantz wrote:
1. Will he immediately withdraw all troops from Iraq?

2. Will he tighten the borders to stop illegal aliens?

3. Will he give the middle class a tax break?

4. Will he outspend Bush?

5. Will he see to it that corrupt big business men are prosecuted?

What is he going to do?

BC


None of the above. - First of all, he will establish regulations
outlawing the bashing of MacGregor yachts and MacGregor owners by asa
participants who, with rare exceptions, have never even sailed the
particular boats they are complaining about. He will also establish
Federal criminal penalties for scumballs and cowards hiding behind false
identities to ridicule MacGregor owners and slander the reputation of
MacGregor Corp., R. MacGregor, etc.

Jim





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