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"How did it feel when you
heard Americans were protesting the war?" He said, "I thought that's
what we were fighting for -- the right to protest."

Yup. That's class. Bush and his people want to label anyone who oppose them or
the war as "Un-American."
The sad irony is that Bush, in using this lame technique, drops in the polls
even further.
Bye Bye Bushy!

RB
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Yep, and the more Americans who believe the, the better.
Bush & Co's attempts to run down Kerry because he saw something he
didn't like and protested about it should fall on deaf ears.


IMHO, for he most part, it is. Only Bush's core of "true believers" are
buying it. It seems that their campaign of character assassination
worked so well against McCain and Gore that they don't know any other
way to campaign.


Denial that torture and murder by US and Allied soldiers occurred in
Vietnam is pretty lame after we see that it is happening in Iraq.


Are they still denying it? I thought Bush went on Al Jazeera to explain
that he regretted it "(they denied apologizing), that it was against
American law and official policy, and that the perpetrators would be
punished (prob'ly not by being sent to the Guantanamo Bay Cuba camp,
though).

BTW I saw a news clip on McCain the other day, talking briefly about his
time as a POW and he said something to the effect that the men he was
held POW with were a great help and support, and that many men had it
worse than him. Since he was the senior officer POW, and was singled out
for additionally brutal treatment, that seemed like a noble thing to
say. It's a shame that the far right fringe managed to cut him out in
the 2000 election.

DSK

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DSK
 
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OzOne wrote:
Yep, it appears he timed his war strategy a little soon.
If he'd still been winning in Iraq then he would have been a she in.
Now it's all gone to hell, they need to try some different
tactics..maybe a little extra tax cut.


At this point, it would have been cheaper and far far more effective to
give every Iraqi man, woman, and child $80,000 and tell them to love
Uncle Sam.


BTW been radin a scary book, The Dark Side of Camelot, details the
electioneering and presidency of JFK using interviews and records
released under the freedom of inf act.
It's just waay too scary thinking that a president can and did use his
office to lead personal vendettas against those who embarassed him or
who he assumed had done him wrong, and the corruption that was
involved in keeping his not so private life out of the newspapers.

It parallels GWB to a large extent.


I could believe that the press overlooked JFK's womanizing due to being
bribed one way or another. As for personal vendettas, I'd be a little
surprised but that's the way politics works at baseline... I'm not a big
Kennedy fan, but think he did a basically good job at a tough time.
Remeber when you read a hatchet job on JFK that a *lot* of media types
really have it in for him now. I've read some amazing stuff about how he
faked the whole PT-109 incident and that his father Joe P. switched from
smuggling liquor to smuggling heroin after Prohibition was repealed, etc
etc. And a lot of people are willing to believe it.

Conversely, a lot of people cannot believe anything bad about JFK and
sanctify him... just as bad IMHO. But he is a *little bit* more worthy
of it than say J.Edgar Hoover.

DSK



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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 10 May 2004 17:22:56 -0400, DSK
scribbled thusly:

Yep, and the more Americans who believe the, the better.
Bush & Co's attempts to run down Kerry because he saw something he
didn't like and protested about it should fall on deaf ears.


IMHO, for he most part, it is. Only Bush's core of "true believers" are
buying it. It seems that their campaign of character assassination
worked so well against McCain and Gore that they don't know any other
way to campaign.


Yep, it appears he timed his war strategy a little soon.
If he'd still been winning in Iraq then he would have been a she in.
Now it's all gone to hell, they need to try some different
tactics..maybe a little extra tax cut.

BTW been radin a scary book, The Dark Side of Camelot, details the
electioneering and presidency of JFK using interviews and records
released under the freedom of inf act.
It's just waay too scary thinking that a president can and did use his
office to lead personal vendettas against those who embarassed him or
who he assumed had done him wrong, and the corruption that was
involved in keeping his not so private life out of the newspapers.

It parallels GWB to a large extent.


Yes, very scary! My girlfriend's best friend used to write for the Dallas
paper. She moved up here about six years ago and the stories never stop!

:-D



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"Lady Pilot" suggested:

BTW, my flight instructor was the guy who measured all the runways at the
airports in Cuba. Very interesting stories, I have...

LP


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Lady Pilot wrote:

"Lady Pilot" suggested:

BTW, my flight instructor was the guy who measured all the runways at the
airports in Cuba. Very interesting stories, I have...


I'll bet and did he tell you about the runways too?

Cheers

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"Navigator" wrote:


Lady Pilot wrote:

"Lady Pilot" suggested:

BTW, my flight instructor was the guy who measured all the runways at

the
airports in Cuba. Very interesting stories, I have...


I'll bet and did he tell you about the runways too?


Yes, he was the official "source" for the Kennedy presidency. I don't think
the "numbers" have changed much since then...

LP


 
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