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Joe May 14th 04 06:18 PM

Patriotism.
 
"Vito" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote

McCain is a true hero no doubt. I'm
planning on penciling him in on election day.


Hogwash! My boss and a bunch more guys flew more Intruder missions over 'nam
than McCain WITHOUT loosing their $million aircraft and without spending
time in prison.


McCain is not a hero IMO because he was a pilot. Any smuck with eye
hand cordination and half a brain can become a pilot.

He is not a hero IMO because he got shot down. Thats happened to many
pilots
including the very best fighter pilots, ask Chuck Yeager, pappy
Boyington, Richard Bong, The Red Barron . And your boss is no better a
pilot because he did not get shot down. Maybe your boss was a coward
and stayed away from any action were he might meet resistance. Maybe
he did not push is plane to the limits, maybe he was more concerned
about himself then acomplishing his duties.


They are the heros.

Why? Because he kept his plane nice and shiny?



The American people trusted McCain
with an expensive airplane - which he promptly lost.


Americans understand that weapons and aircraft, ships, rifles,
uniforms, boats, ect when used in battle will get damaged and lost. To
imply a man is a hero for keeping his rifle clean and like new is
something the french do.


Now we should trust him
with the country??

I damn sure would. Do you know anything about him at all?

He's a hero because he stands up for his men and country.

Here is what our senate said and did Vito, ank your boss if he did the
same
you DORK.

SENATE RESOLUTION 196--RECOGNIZING THE COURAGE AND SACRIFICE OF
SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN AND MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES HELD AS PRISONERS
OF WAR DURING THE VIETNAM CONFLICT (Senate - March 17, 1998)

[Page: S2137]

Mr. LOTT (for himself, Mr. Daschle, Mr. Warner, Mr. Kempthorne, Mr.
Hatch, Mr. Coats, Mr. Hagel, Mr. Abraham, Mr. Akaka, Mr. Allard, Mr.
Ashcroft, Mr. Baucus, Mr. Bennett, Mr. Biden, Mr. Bingaman, Mr. Bond,
Mrs. Boxer, Mr. Breaux, Mr. Brownback, Mr. Bryan, Mr. Bumpers, Mr.
Burns, Mr. Byrd, Mr. Campbell, Mr. Chafee, Mr. Cleland, Mr. Cochran,
Ms. Collins, Mr. Conrad, Mr. Coverdell, Mr. Craig, Mr. D'Amato, Mr.
DeWine, Mr. Dodd, Mr. Domenici, Mr. Dorgan, Mr. Durbin, Mr. Enzi, Mr.
Faircloth, Mr. Feingold, Mrs. Feinstein, Mr. Ford, Mr. Frist, Mr.
Glenn, Mr. Gorton, Mr. Graham, Mr. Gramm, Mr. Grams, Mr. Grassley,
Mr. Gregg, Mr. Harkin, Mr. Helms, Mr. Hollings, Mr. Hutchinson, Mrs.
Hutchison, Mr. Inhofe, Mr. Inouye, Mr. Jeffords, Mr. Johnson, Mr.
Kennedy, Mr. Kerrey, Mr. Kerry, Mr. Kohl, Mr. Kyl, Ms. Landrieu, Mr.
Lautenberg, Mr. Leahy, Mr. Levin, Mr. Lieberman, Mr. Lugar, Mr. Mack,
Mr. McCain, Mr. McConnell, Ms. Mikulski, Ms. Moseley-Braun, Mr.
Moynihan, Mr. Murkowski, Mrs. Murray, Mr. Nickles, Mr. Reed, Mr.
Reid, Mr. Robb, Mr. Roberts, Mr. Rockefeller, Mr. Roth, Mr. Santorum,
Mr. Sarbanes, Mr. Sessions, Mr. Shelby, Mr. Smith of New Hampshire,
Mr. Smith of Oregon, Ms. Snowe, Mr. Specter, Mr. Stevens, Mr. Thomas,
Mr. Thompson, Mr. Thurmond, Mr. Torricelli, Mr. Wellstone, and Mr.
Wyden) submitted the following resolution; which was considered and
agreed to.

S. Res. 196

Whereas participation by the United States Armed Forces in combat
operations in Southeast Asia during the period from 1964 through 1972
resulted in several hundreds of members of the United States Armed
Forces being taken prisoner by North Vietnamese, Pathet Lao, and Viet
Cong enemy forces;

Whereas John McCain's A-4E Skyhawk was shot down over Hanoi, North
Vietnam on October 26, 1967, and he remained in captivity until March
14, 1973;

Whereas John McCain's aircraft was shorn of it's right wing by a
surface-to- air missile and he plunged toward the ground at about 400
knots prior to ejecting;

Whereas upon ejection, John McCain's right knee and both arms were
broken;

Whereas John McCain was surrounded by an angry mob who kicked him and
spit on him, stabbed him with bayonets and smashed his shoulder with
a rifle;

Whereas United States prisoners of war in Southeast Asia were held in
a number of facilities, the most notorious of which was Hoa Lo Prison
in downtown Hanoi, dubbed the `Hanoi Hilton' by the prisoners held
there;

Whereas historians of the Vietnam war have recorded that `no American
reached the prison camp of Hoa Lo in worse condition than John
McCain';

Whereas his North Vietnamese captors recognized that John McCain came
from a distinguished military family and caused him to suffer special
beatings, special interrogations, and the cruel offer of a possible
early release;

Whereas John McCain sat in prison in Hanoi for over 5 years, risking
death from disease and medical complications resulting from his
injuries, steadfastly refusing to cooperate with his enemy captors
because his sense of honor and duty would not permit him to even
consider an early release based on special advantage;

Whereas knowing his refusal to leave early may well result in his own
death from his injuries John McCain told another prisoner `I don't
think that's the right thing to do . . . . They'll have to drag me
out of here';

Whereas following the Paris Peace Accords of January 1973, 591 United
States prisoners of war were released from captivity by North
Vietnam;

Whereas the return of these prisoners of war to United States control
and to their families and comrades was designated Operation
Homecoming;

Whereas many members of the United States Armed Forces who were taken
prisoner as a result of ground or aerial combat in Southeast Asia
have not returned to their loved ones and their whereabouts remain
unknown;

Whereas United States prisoners of war in Southeast Asia were
routinely subjected to brutal mistreatment, including beatings,
torture, starvation, and denial of medical attention;

Whereas the hundreds of United States prisoners of war held in the
Hanoi Hilton and other facilities persevered under terrible
conditions;

Whereas the prisoners were frequently isolated from each other and
prohibited from speaking to each other;

Whereas the prisoners nevertheless, at great personal risk, devised a
means to communicate with each other through a code transmitted by
tapping on cell walls;

Whereas then-Commander James B. Stockdale, United States Navy, who
upon his capture on September 9, 1965, became the senior POW officer
present in the Hanoi Hilton, delivered to his men a message that was
to sustain them during their ordeal, as follows: Remember, you are
Americans. With faith in God, trust in one another, and devotion to
your country, you will overcome. You will triumph;

Whereas the men held as prisoners of war during the Vietnam conflict
truly represent all that is best about America;

Whereas Senator John McCain of Arizona has continued to honor the
Nation with devoted service; and

Whereas the Nation owes a debt of gratitude to John McCain and all of
these patriots for their courage and exemplary service: Now,
therefore, be it Resolved, That the Senate--

(1) expresses its gratitude for, and calls upon all Americans to
reflect upon and show their gratitude for, the courage and sacrifice
of John McCain and the brave men who were held as prisoners of war
during the Vietnam conflict, particularly on the occasion of the 25th
anniversary of Operation Homecoming, and the return to the United
States of Senator John McCain; and

(2) acting on behalf of all Americans--

(A) will not forget that more than 2,000 members of the United States
Armed Forces remain unaccounted for from the Vietnam conflict; and

(B) will continue to press for the fullest possible accounting for
such members.

You know someone better to run our country Vito?
Well........

Joe


But since he can not be bought ... he has no chance to win any election.


But Joe, how did he become a senator? Gee, he won an election. And where do
you think the $$$ to do that came from? Perhaps from the same penniless
Buddist monks who financed Clinton??


Jonathan Ganz May 16th 04 03:51 AM

Patriotism.
 
Maybe the Supreme Court will elect him if we ask nicely.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 12 May 2004 13:36:09 -0400, "Vito" said:

Hogwash! My boss and a bunch more guys flew more Intruder missions over

'nam
than McCain WITHOUT loosing their $million aircraft and without spending
time in prison. They are the heros.


Have to disagree with you on that one. Offered the chance to be released

by
the NVs because he was an admiral's son, he refused to leave before his
comrades could go too. That's guts.

That said, while I respect the man, I think he's often wrong-headed, and
probably should not be elected President.


Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

Who goes duck hunting with Jamie Gorelick?




Jonathan Ganz May 16th 04 03:52 AM

Patriotism.
 
Horass is a margin of error.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Walt" wrote in message
...
Horvath wrote:
On Tue, 11 May 2004 09:46:17 -0400, Walt
Horvath wrote:

You should follow the news. President George W. Bush is ahead in
every poll.

BZZZZZZT!!!! Wrong, dumbass.

Some polls have Bush ahead, some have Kerry ahead, all are within the
margin of error.

CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. May 7-9
N=575 likely voters nationwide. MoE ± 5.
Bush 48%
Kerry 47%


There ya go. You've admitted that President George W. Bush is ahead.


Sometimes I think you strain yourself pretending to be stupider than you
are. It must not be an easy task, but somehow you manage.

Anyway, you said he was ahead in every poll. He's not. Not only that,
he's not ahead in *any* poll beyond the margin of error. But you
wouldn't understand what it means for results to be statistically
significant, would you?

--
//-Walt
//
// There's a village in Texas that's missing its idiot.




Jonathan Ganz May 16th 04 03:56 AM

Patriotism.
 
I think he's just in drag.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Walt wrote:
Sometimes I think you strain yourself pretending to be stupider than you
are. It must not be an easy task, but somehow you manage.


IMHO Horvath is actually a bolshevik who wants to drag President Bush
down by pretending to be a supporter.

DSK





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