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"How did it feel when you
heard Americans were protesting the war?" He said, "I thought that's
what we were fighting for -- the right to protest."

Yup. That's class. Bush and his people want to label anyone who oppose them or
the war as "Un-American."
The sad irony is that Bush, in using this lame technique, drops in the polls
even further.
Bye Bye Bushy!

RB

Yep, and the more Americans who believe the, the better.
Bush & Co's attempts to run down Kerry because he saw something he
didn't like and protested about it should fall on deaf ears.

IMHO, for he most part, it is. Only Bush's core of "true believers" are
buying it. It seems that their campaign of character assassination
worked so well against McCain and Gore that they don't know any other
way to campaign.

Denial that torture and murder by US and Allied soldiers occurred in
Vietnam is pretty lame after we see that it is happening in Iraq.

Are they still denying it? I thought Bush went on Al Jazeera to explain
that he regretted it "(they denied apologizing), that it was against
American law and official policy, and that the perpetrators would be
punished (prob'ly not by being sent to the Guantanamo Bay Cuba camp,
though).

BTW I saw a news clip on McCain the other day, talking briefly about his
time as a POW and he said something to the effect that the men he was
held POW with were a great help and support, and that many men had it
worse than him. Since he was the senior officer POW, and was singled out
for additionally brutal treatment, that seemed like a noble thing to
say. It's a shame that the far right fringe managed to cut him out in
the 2000 election.

DSK

OzOne wrote:
Yep, it appears he timed his war strategy a little soon.
If he'd still been winning in Iraq then he would have been a she in.
Now it's all gone to hell, they need to try some different
tactics..maybe a little extra tax cut.

At this point, it would have been cheaper and far far more effective to
give every Iraqi man, woman, and child $80,000 and tell them to love
Uncle Sam.

BTW been radin a scary book, The Dark Side of Camelot, details the
electioneering and presidency of JFK using interviews and records
released under the freedom of inf act.
It's just waay too scary thinking that a president can and did use his
office to lead personal vendettas against those who embarassed him or
who he assumed had done him wrong, and the corruption that was
involved in keeping his not so private life out of the newspapers.

It parallels GWB to a large extent.

I could believe that the press overlooked JFK's womanizing due to being
bribed one way or another. As for personal vendettas, I'd be a little
surprised but that's the way politics works at baseline... I'm not a big
Kennedy fan, but think he did a basically good job at a tough time.
Remeber when you read a hatchet job on JFK that a *lot* of media types
really have it in for him now. I've read some amazing stuff about how he
faked the whole PT-109 incident and that his father Joe P. switched from
smuggling liquor to smuggling heroin after Prohibition was repealed, etc
etc. And a lot of people are willing to believe it.

Conversely, a lot of people cannot believe anything bad about JFK and
sanctify him... just as bad IMHO. But he is a *little bit* more worthy
of it than say J.Edgar Hoover.

DSK

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 10 May 2004 17:22:56 -0400, DSK
scribbled thusly:

Yep, and the more Americans who believe the, the better.
Bush & Co's attempts to run down Kerry because he saw something he
didn't like and protested about it should fall on deaf ears.

IMHO, for he most part, it is. Only Bush's core of "true believers" are
buying it. It seems that their campaign of character assassination
worked so well against McCain and Gore that they don't know any other
way to campaign.

Yep, it appears he timed his war strategy a little soon.
If he'd still been winning in Iraq then he would have been a she in.
Now it's all gone to hell, they need to try some different
tactics..maybe a little extra tax cut.

BTW been radin a scary book, The Dark Side of Camelot, details the
electioneering and presidency of JFK using interviews and records
released under the freedom of inf act.
It's just waay too scary thinking that a president can and did use his
office to lead personal vendettas against those who embarassed him or
who he assumed had done him wrong, and the corruption that was
involved in keeping his not so private life out of the newspapers.

It parallels GWB to a large extent.

Yes, very scary! My girlfriend's best friend used to write for the Dallas
paper. She moved up here about six years ago and the stories never stop!

:-D

"Lady Pilot" suggested:

BTW, my flight instructor was the guy who measured all the runways at the
airports in Cuba. Very interesting stories, I have...

LP

Lady Pilot wrote:

"Lady Pilot" suggested:

BTW, my flight instructor was the guy who measured all the runways at the
airports in Cuba. Very interesting stories, I have...

I'll bet and did he tell you about the runways too?

Cheers

"Navigator" wrote:

Lady Pilot wrote:

"Lady Pilot" suggested:

BTW, my flight instructor was the guy who measured all the runways at
the
airports in Cuba. Very interesting stories, I have...

I'll bet and did he tell you about the runways too?

Yes, he was the official "source" for the Kennedy presidency. I don't think
the "numbers" have changed much since then...

LP

You are the traitor if you
believe that protesting the actions of the gov't are traitorous.

100% true and this is why so many Bush supporters are un-American. They
actually think blind patriotism is patriotic.
How sad.

RB

On Mon, 10 May 2004 18:10:00 -0700, Jonathan Ganz wrote:

You know nothing about the US. You are the traitor if you believe that
protesting the actions of the gov't are traitorous.

You should read the polls more carefully. He's dead even with Kerry (the
one you're in love with).

While I wouldn't give it much weight, Zogby is already predicting it's
Kerry's to lose.

http://www.zogby.com/news/051004.html

Horvath wrote:

You should follow the news. President George W. Bush is ahead in
every poll.

BZZZZZZT!!!! Wrong, dumbass.

Some polls have Bush ahead, some have Kerry ahead, all are within the
margin of error.

CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. May 7-9
N=575 likely voters nationwide. MoE ± 5.
Bush 48%
Kerry 47%

American Research Group Poll. May 3-6, 2004.
N=770 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.5.
Bush 44%
Kerry 47%

FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. May 4-5, 2004.
N=900 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.
Bush 44%
Kerry 41%

Associated Press-Ipsos poll conducted by Ipsos-Public Affairs.
May 3-5, 2004. N=778 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.5.
Bush 46%
Kerry 43%

CBS News/New York Times Poll. April 23-27, 2004.
N=856 registered voters. MoE ± 3.
Bush 44%
Kerry 46%

Zogby International Poll. April 15-17, 2004.
N=1,049 likely voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.1
Bush 44%
Kerry 47%

(Source: http://www.pollingreport.com/)

Why don't you stick to discussing things you know something about, like
lousy beer and curley fries?

-Walt

And, sometimes not, apparently.

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 11 May 2004 14:56:10 +1000, OzOne said:

I've read a lot on the Kennedys, I was as a kid, a great fan of JFK.
The revelations after the closed files have been opened are truly
frightening.

Well, I worked for the McGovern campaign in '72. Sometimes wisdom comes
with
age and experience.

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

Who goes duck hunting with Jamie Gorelick?

One can only hope Zogby is wrong.

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www.sailnow.com

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 10 May 2004 18:10:00 -0700, Jonathan Ganz wrote:

You know nothing about the US. You are the traitor if you believe that
protesting the actions of the gov't are traitorous.

You should read the polls more carefully. He's dead even with Kerry (the
one you're in love with).

While I wouldn't give it much weight, Zogby is already predicting it's
Kerry's to lose.

http://www.zogby.com/news/051004.html

DSK wrote:

BTW I saw a news clip on McCain the other day, talking briefly about his
time as a POW and he said something to the effect that the men he was
held POW with were a great help and support, and that many men had it
worse than him. Since he was the senior officer POW, and was singled out
for additionally brutal treatment, that seemed like a noble thing to
say. It's a shame that the far right fringe managed to cut him out in
the 2000 election.

McCain is a true hero no doubt. A top American. He is the man that
should be president. He is the man America needs right now. I'm
planning on penciling him in on election day.

But since he can not be bought by the super rich, and the corporate
lobbiest he has no chance to win any election. Until we get real
campain finance reform John will not have a fair chance.

Joe

DSK

Dave wrote:

Sometimes wisdom comes with
age and experience.

....but not always... you drew the short straw, huh?

Regards

Donal
--

Yep, you're right. After I read the whole thing, I hope he's right.

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www.sailnow.com

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 11 May 2004 07:46:01 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
said:

One can only hope Zogby is wrong.

For once I can agree with you. But you better take another look at that
message and see whether that's what you really wanted to say.

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

Who goes duck hunting with Jamie Gorelick?

"Joe" wrote

McCain is a true hero no doubt. I'm
planning on penciling him in on election day.

Hogwash! My boss and a bunch more guys flew more Intruder missions over 'nam
than McCain WITHOUT loosing their $million aircraft and without spending
time in prison. They are the heros. The American people trusted McCain
with an expensive airplane - which he promptly lost. Now we should trust him
with the country??

But since he can not be bought ... he has no chance to win any election.

But Joe, how did he become a senator? Gee, he won an election. And where do
you think the $$$ to do that came from? Perhaps from the same penniless
Buddist monks who financed Clinton??

On Tue, 11 May 2004 09:46:17 -0400, Walt
wrote this crap:

Horvath wrote:

You should follow the news. President George W. Bush is ahead in
every poll.

BZZZZZZT!!!! Wrong, dumbass.

Some polls have Bush ahead, some have Kerry ahead, all are within the
margin of error.

CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. May 7-9
N=575 likely voters nationwide. MoE ± 5.
Bush 48%
Kerry 47%

There ya go. You've admitted that President George W. Bush is ahead.

Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Horvath wrote:
On Tue, 11 May 2004 09:46:17 -0400, Walt
Horvath wrote:

You should follow the news. President George W. Bush is ahead in
every poll.

BZZZZZZT!!!! Wrong, dumbass.

Some polls have Bush ahead, some have Kerry ahead, all are within the
margin of error.

CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. May 7-9
N=575 likely voters nationwide. MoE ± 5.
Bush 48%
Kerry 47%

There ya go. You've admitted that President George W. Bush is ahead.

Sometimes I think you strain yourself pretending to be stupider than you
are. It must not be an easy task, but somehow you manage.

Anyway, you said he was ahead in every poll. He's not. Not only that,
he's not ahead in *any* poll beyond the margin of error. But you
wouldn't understand what it means for results to be statistically
significant, would you?

--
//-Walt
//
// There's a village in Texas that's missing its idiot.

On Thu, 13 May 2004 09:23:17 -0400, Walt
wrote:

Horvath wrote:
On Tue, 11 May 2004 09:46:17 -0400, Walt
Horvath wrote:

You should follow the news. President George W. Bush is ahead in
every poll.

BZZZZZZT!!!! Wrong, dumbass.

Some polls have Bush ahead, some have Kerry ahead, all are within the
margin of error.

CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. May 7-9
N=575 likely voters nationwide. MoE ± 5.
Bush 48%
Kerry 47%

There ya go. You've admitted that President George W. Bush is ahead.

Sometimes I think you strain yourself pretending to be stupider than you
are. It must not be an easy task, but somehow you manage.

Anyway, you said he was ahead in every poll. He's not. Not only that,
he's not ahead in *any* poll beyond the margin of error. But you
wouldn't understand what it means for results to be statistically
significant, would you?

Your analysis is flawed in that you assume the popular vote may
dictate the outcome of the election. :)

Excellent quote. Isn't that what the people of Iraq now have the ability to
do? I haven't seen any documentation of protesting during the Hussein
regime. The bottom line is that the Islamic extremist hate anyone or
anything not Islamic. Read the Koran and don't try and interpret what it
means. Take the words as they are and it calls for the elimination of
everything not for Allah. The Jews are the closest target and the U.S. is
the biggest target. Once they are eliminated don't you think they would
move to other targets of opportunity, Europe (already major inroads there),
Russia, China (how would the communists there will feel about that?). If
Bush wasn't there, there would still be the hatred. Sooner or later it
would be an issue that would have to be addressed via force. Does anyone
really think that 9/11 would be prevented with a different President or, at
best, only delayed? The situation is far more complex than claiming that
Bush stole the presidency. Wake up!

Bill

OzOne wrote in message ...
http://islandimage.net/oc/13myths/MythItem.cfm?ID=59

After John McCain -- the Senator from Arizona -- was released from
captivity as a POW in Vietnam, he was asked, "How did it feel when you
heard Americans were protesting the war?" He said, "I thought that's
what we were fighting for -- the right to protest."

Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

felton wrote:

Your analysis is flawed in that you assume the popular vote may
dictate the outcome of the election. :)

I wasn't doing analysis. Just refuting an obviously false assertion.

Obviously, the outcome of the election is not dependent on the popular
vote, but rather the results of sixty races. If I was doing analysis,
I'd start by explaining why it's sixty and not 50 or 51 as most people
think. But who has the time? There's work to be done on the boat.

--
//-Walt
//
// Sigs suck. Oh, the irony.

Walt wrote:
Sometimes I think you strain yourself pretending to be stupider than you
are. It must not be an easy task, but somehow you manage.

IMHO Horvath is actually a bolshevik who wants to drag President Bush
down by pretending to be a supporter.

DSK

IMHO Horvath is actually a bolshevik who wants to drag President Bush
down by pretending to be a supporter.

And it's working.

RB

DSK wrote:
Walt wrote:

Sometimes I think you strain yourself pretending to be stupider than you
are. It must not be an easy task, but somehow you manage.

IMHO Horvath is actually a bolshevik who wants to drag President Bush
down by pretending to be a supporter.

By that logic, Bobspit is a John Birch Society member who wants to prop
him up by pretending to be a detractor.

Nah, I don't think so. Every village has an idiot. Some have several.

--
//-Walt
//
// Sigs suck. Oh, the irony.

Walt wrote:
By that logic, Bobspit is a John Birch Society member who wants to prop
him up by pretending to be a detractor.

That's possible.

Nah, I don't think so. Every village has an idiot. Some have several.

This newsgroup must be operating on some kind of affirmative action
then, seems like we have more than our quota ;)

FB
Doug King

DSK wrote:
Walt wrote:

Nah, I don't think so. Every village has an idiot. Some have several.

This newsgroup must be operating on some kind of affirmative action
then, seems like we have more than our quota ;)

In this case it seems to be attracting them from other villages.

See http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y1D626B48

--
//-Walt
//
// Sigs suck. Oh, the irony.

Subject: Worst President? Come on now!!!!!!!!!
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:19:28 EDT

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of
January....
in the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of
January.
That's one American city folks, about as deadly as the entire war torn
country
of Iraq.

The following appeared in the Durham, NC local paper as a letter to the
editor.

Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They
complain
about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the
worst
President in U.S. history. Let's clear up one point: We didn't start
the
war on
terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11.

Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims.
FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
From
1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never
attacked
us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per
year.

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never
attacked
us. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000
lives
were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.
Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia
never
attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
times
by
Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has
liberated
two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear
inspectors
in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a
terrorist
who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600 soldiers, an
average
of
30 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another
terrorist
attack at home. Worst president in history? Come on! Our President is
GREAT!

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the
Branch
Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation!

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less
time
than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records!

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to
destroy
the Medina Republican Guard than it took Teddy Kennedy to call the
police
after
his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick and killed his lady friend!

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in
Florida!!!!

Shut up and sail!
Bill

"Vito" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote

McCain is a true hero no doubt. I'm
planning on penciling him in on election day.

Hogwash! My boss and a bunch more guys flew more Intruder missions over 'nam
than McCain WITHOUT loosing their $million aircraft and without spending
time in prison.

McCain is not a hero IMO because he was a pilot. Any smuck with eye
hand cordination and half a brain can become a pilot.

He is not a hero IMO because he got shot down. Thats happened to many
pilots
including the very best fighter pilots, ask Chuck Yeager, pappy
Boyington, Richard Bong, The Red Barron . And your boss is no better a
pilot because he did not get shot down. Maybe your boss was a coward
and stayed away from any action were he might meet resistance. Maybe
he did not push is plane to the limits, maybe he was more concerned
about himself then acomplishing his duties.

They are the heros.

Why? Because he kept his plane nice and shiny?

The American people trusted McCain
with an expensive airplane - which he promptly lost.

Americans understand that weapons and aircraft, ships, rifles,
uniforms, boats, ect when used in battle will get damaged and lost. To
imply a man is a hero for keeping his rifle clean and like new is
something the french do.

Now we should trust him
with the country??

I damn sure would. Do you know anything about him at all?

He's a hero because he stands up for his men and country.

Here is what our senate said and did Vito, ank your boss if he did the
same
you DORK.

SENATE RESOLUTION 196--RECOGNIZING THE COURAGE AND SACRIFICE OF
SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN AND MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES HELD AS PRISONERS
OF WAR DURING THE VIETNAM CONFLICT (Senate - March 17, 1998)

[Page: S2137]

Mr. LOTT (for himself, Mr. Daschle, Mr. Warner, Mr. Kempthorne, Mr.
Hatch, Mr. Coats, Mr. Hagel, Mr. Abraham, Mr. Akaka, Mr. Allard, Mr.
Ashcroft, Mr. Baucus, Mr. Bennett, Mr. Biden, Mr. Bingaman, Mr. Bond,
Mrs. Boxer, Mr. Breaux, Mr. Brownback, Mr. Bryan, Mr. Bumpers, Mr.
Burns, Mr. Byrd, Mr. Campbell, Mr. Chafee, Mr. Cleland, Mr. Cochran,
Ms. Collins, Mr. Conrad, Mr. Coverdell, Mr. Craig, Mr. D'Amato, Mr.
DeWine, Mr. Dodd, Mr. Domenici, Mr. Dorgan, Mr. Durbin, Mr. Enzi, Mr.
Faircloth, Mr. Feingold, Mrs. Feinstein, Mr. Ford, Mr. Frist, Mr.
Glenn, Mr. Gorton, Mr. Graham, Mr. Gramm, Mr. Grams, Mr. Grassley,
Mr. Gregg, Mr. Harkin, Mr. Helms, Mr. Hollings, Mr. Hutchinson, Mrs.
Hutchison, Mr. Inhofe, Mr. Inouye, Mr. Jeffords, Mr. Johnson, Mr.
Kennedy, Mr. Kerrey, Mr. Kerry, Mr. Kohl, Mr. Kyl, Ms. Landrieu, Mr.
Lautenberg, Mr. Leahy, Mr. Levin, Mr. Lieberman, Mr. Lugar, Mr. Mack,
Mr. McCain, Mr. McConnell, Ms. Mikulski, Ms. Moseley-Braun, Mr.
Moynihan, Mr. Murkowski, Mrs. Murray, Mr. Nickles, Mr. Reed, Mr.
Reid, Mr. Robb, Mr. Roberts, Mr. Rockefeller, Mr. Roth, Mr. Santorum,
Mr. Sarbanes, Mr. Sessions, Mr. Shelby, Mr. Smith of New Hampshire,
Mr. Smith of Oregon, Ms. Snowe, Mr. Specter, Mr. Stevens, Mr. Thomas,
Mr. Thompson, Mr. Thurmond, Mr. Torricelli, Mr. Wellstone, and Mr.
Wyden) submitted the following resolution; which was considered and
agreed to.

S. Res. 196

Whereas participation by the United States Armed Forces in combat
operations in Southeast Asia during the period from 1964 through 1972
resulted in several hundreds of members of the United States Armed
Forces being taken prisoner by North Vietnamese, Pathet Lao, and Viet
Cong enemy forces;

Whereas John McCain's A-4E Skyhawk was shot down over Hanoi, North
Vietnam on October 26, 1967, and he remained in captivity until March
14, 1973;

Whereas John McCain's aircraft was shorn of it's right wing by a
surface-to- air missile and he plunged toward the ground at about 400
knots prior to ejecting;

Whereas upon ejection, John McCain's right knee and both arms were
broken;

Whereas John McCain was surrounded by an angry mob who kicked him and
spit on him, stabbed him with bayonets and smashed his shoulder with
a rifle;

Whereas United States prisoners of war in Southeast Asia were held in
a number of facilities, the most notorious of which was Hoa Lo Prison
in downtown Hanoi, dubbed the `Hanoi Hilton' by the prisoners held
there;

Whereas historians of the Vietnam war have recorded that `no American
reached the prison camp of Hoa Lo in worse condition than John
McCain';

Whereas his North Vietnamese captors recognized that John McCain came
from a distinguished military family and caused him to suffer special
beatings, special interrogations, and the cruel offer of a possible
early release;

Whereas John McCain sat in prison in Hanoi for over 5 years, risking
death from disease and medical complications resulting from his
injuries, steadfastly refusing to cooperate with his enemy captors
because his sense of honor and duty would not permit him to even
consider an early release based on special advantage;

Whereas knowing his refusal to leave early may well result in his own
death from his injuries John McCain told another prisoner `I don't
think that's the right thing to do . . . . They'll have to drag me
out of here';

Whereas following the Paris Peace Accords of January 1973, 591 United
States prisoners of war were released from captivity by North
Vietnam;

Whereas the return of these prisoners of war to United States control
and to their families and comrades was designated Operation
Homecoming;

Whereas many members of the United States Armed Forces who were taken
prisoner as a result of ground or aerial combat in Southeast Asia
have not returned to their loved ones and their whereabouts remain
unknown;

Whereas United States prisoners of war in Southeast Asia were
routinely subjected to brutal mistreatment, including beatings,
torture, starvation, and denial of medical attention;

Whereas the hundreds of United States prisoners of war held in the
Hanoi Hilton and other facilities persevered under terrible
conditions;

Whereas the prisoners were frequently isolated from each other and
prohibited from speaking to each other;

Whereas the prisoners nevertheless, at great personal risk, devised a
means to communicate with each other through a code transmitted by
tapping on cell walls;

Whereas then-Commander James B. Stockdale, United States Navy, who
upon his capture on September 9, 1965, became the senior POW officer
present in the Hanoi Hilton, delivered to his men a message that was
to sustain them during their ordeal, as follows: Remember, you are
Americans. With faith in God, trust in one another, and devotion to
your country, you will overcome. You will triumph;

Whereas the men held as prisoners of war during the Vietnam conflict
truly represent all that is best about America;

Whereas Senator John McCain of Arizona has continued to honor the
Nation with devoted service; and

Whereas the Nation owes a debt of gratitude to John McCain and all of
these patriots for their courage and exemplary service: Now,
therefore, be it Resolved, That the Senate--

(1) expresses its gratitude for, and calls upon all Americans to
reflect upon and show their gratitude for, the courage and sacrifice
of John McCain and the brave men who were held as prisoners of war
during the Vietnam conflict, particularly on the occasion of the 25th
anniversary of Operation Homecoming, and the return to the United
States of Senator John McCain; and

(2) acting on behalf of all Americans--

(A) will not forget that more than 2,000 members of the United States
Armed Forces remain unaccounted for from the Vietnam conflict; and

(B) will continue to press for the fullest possible accounting for
such members.

You know someone better to run our country Vito?
Well........

Joe

But since he can not be bought ... he has no chance to win any election.

But Joe, how did he become a senator? Gee, he won an election. And where do
you think the $$$ to do that came from? Perhaps from the same penniless
Buddist monks who financed Clinton??

Maybe the Supreme Court will elect him if we ask nicely.

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www.sailnow.com

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 12 May 2004 13:36:09 -0400, "Vito" said:

Hogwash! My boss and a bunch more guys flew more Intruder missions over
'nam
than McCain WITHOUT loosing their $million aircraft and without spending
time in prison. They are the heros.

Have to disagree with you on that one. Offered the chance to be released
by
the NVs because he was an admiral's son, he refused to leave before his
comrades could go too. That's guts.

That said, while I respect the man, I think he's often wrong-headed, and
probably should not be elected President.

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

Who goes duck hunting with Jamie Gorelick?

Horass is a margin of error.

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"Walt" wrote in message
...
Horvath wrote:
On Tue, 11 May 2004 09:46:17 -0400, Walt
Horvath wrote:

You should follow the news. President George W. Bush is ahead in
every poll.

BZZZZZZT!!!! Wrong, dumbass.

Some polls have Bush ahead, some have Kerry ahead, all are within the
margin of error.

CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. May 7-9
N=575 likely voters nationwide. MoE ± 5.
Bush 48%
Kerry 47%

There ya go. You've admitted that President George W. Bush is ahead.

Sometimes I think you strain yourself pretending to be stupider than you
are. It must not be an easy task, but somehow you manage.

Anyway, you said he was ahead in every poll. He's not. Not only that,
he's not ahead in *any* poll beyond the margin of error. But you
wouldn't understand what it means for results to be statistically
significant, would you?

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// There's a village in Texas that's missing its idiot.

I think he's just in drag.

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"DSK" wrote in message
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Walt wrote:
Sometimes I think you strain yourself pretending to be stupider than you
are. It must not be an easy task, but somehow you manage.

IMHO Horvath is actually a bolshevik who wants to drag President Bush
down by pretending to be a supporter.

DSK