OzOne wrote:

On Thu, 06 May 2004 11:18:56 +1200, Navigator
scribbled thusly:



OzOne wrote:


On Thu, 06 May 2004 10:40:09 +1200, Navigator
scribbled thusly:



OzOne wrote:



On Thu, 06 May 2004 09:41:18 +1200, Navigator
scribbled thusly:




Are you taling about a radial cut?

Cheers



Nope, different beast.
Star cut is all radials, no crosscut section like the radial head or
triradial.

Star cut is a reaching and heavy air spinnaker.


I'm referring to Doug's talk about cross cut spinnakers. Try to keep up Oz!

Cheers


I'm keeping up quite well thanks.
Here is what Doug said
"Many Lightnings do use star cuts, they are flat reaching or heavy air
'chutes. For running & light air, the old fashioned cross cut is
better.
It can be cut with deeper shape, bigger shoulders, and it's lighter
because there is less seam per unit area."

Just to clarify, I believe that when he talks about a running
spinnaker that is "old fashioned cross cut" he would be refering to a
radial headed x cut as it most common.

So you've never seen a cross cut spinnaker?

Cheers


Where did I say that?
But the answer would be No, not that I recall.


Well Doug raised the term cross cut and I wondered if he was confused
(giving him the benifit of the doubt you see) and really talking about
radial heads. Cross cut spinnakers largely disappeared years ago but
check this out:

http://www.schurrsails.com/fscross.htm


Cheers

Navigator wrote:
... Cross cut spinnakers largely disappeared years ago

Really? That must be why the current North and Sobstad runners on
Lightnings (and a few other one designs I believe) are all cross cut.

If you look at the panels on the spinnaker you've been criticizing for a
week, you'd see plainly that it is cross cut.

DSK

DSK wrote:

Navigator wrote:
... Cross cut spinnakers largely disappeared years ago

Really? That must be why the current North and Sobstad runners on
Lightnings (and a few other one designs I believe) are all cross cut.

If you look at the panels on the spinnaker you've been criticizing for a
week, you'd see plainly that it is cross cut.



I said 'largely' and even gave a URL (read the post) to all cross cut
spins Doug. So what are you trying to get at, are you saying that radial
cuts are not the most common running spinnaker by far?

Cheers

Navigator wrote:
...So what are you trying to get at

Can you not read plain English?

DSK

DSK wrote:

Navigator wrote:

...So what are you trying to get at


Can you not read plain English?


I don't think you should question my knowlege or command of English
Doug. Perhaps you should try to think about what you posted and the
context of my simple question before you fly off the handle further.

Cheers

Navigator wrote:
I don't think you should question my knowlege or command of English
Doug.

Why? You seem unable to understand simple sentences.

... Perhaps you should try to think about what you posted and the
context of my simple question before you fly off the handle further.

I have not flown off the handle, just pointing out that what I posted
was not complex nor difficult to understand, so why don't you grasp it?

DSK

Checking up on Doug's clear assertion (below) I find that Doug is not
correct. North say their fastest spinnaker is a radial and that 2003
Lightning world champions use them.

http://www.northsailsod.com/class/li...lightning.html

"For top performance and durability, we offer the R-2 and the RC-1
spinnakers. Both spinnakers are fill radial with fully glued seams for
smoothness and resistance to snags. Both are built from AirX fabric."

Tell me Doug, why did you say that they were cross cut? Are you confused
or BSing? Are you now going to take my spinnaker advice and get a faster
radial sail?

Cheers

DSK wrote:


Really? That must be why the current North and Sobstad runners on
Lightnings (and a few other one designs I believe) are all cross cut.

Navigator wrote:
Checking up on Doug's clear assertion (below) I find that Doug is not
correct. North say their fastest spinnaker is a radial and that 2003
Lightning world champions use them.

http://www.northsailsod.com/class/li...lightning.html

"For top performance and durability, we offer the R-2 and the RC-1
spinnakers. Both spinnakers are fill radial with fully glued seams for
smoothness and resistance to snags. Both are built from AirX fabric."

Please quote the part that says specifically which spinnakers the 2003
World (or for that matter the 2003 NA) champs use. In fact it says
specifically that the R-2 and RC-1 are *reaching* spinnakers. You know
the difference between reaching and running, yes?

If you looked further down that same page you find the Bruin and another
cross cut runner.

"The Bruin has long been recognized for the downwind performer that it
is. Slightly flatter in the middle for 1998, the Bruim is much more an
all-around performer with little sacrifice to its proven broad reaching
and running performance."

Gee, you must be wetting your pants thinking that you've *finally* shown
me wrong, for once. Of course, you almost were a man and admitted your
mistake about those big old wooden ships, but now that's all behind you,
eh? Back to the same old bluff & bluster for Navvie!

Fresh Breezes (to them wot kin use 'em)- Doug King

DSK wrote:

Navigator wrote:

Checking up on Doug's clear assertion (below) I find that Doug is not
correct. North say their fastest spinnaker is a radial and that 2003
Lightning world champions use them.

http://www.northsailsod.com/class/li...lightning.html

"For top performance and durability, we offer the R-2 and the RC-1
spinnakers. Both spinnakers are fill radial with fully glued seams for
smoothness and resistance to snags. Both are built from AirX fabric."



Back to the same old bluff & bluster for Doug King

Navigator wrote:
Back to the same old bluff & bluster for Doug King

Is it "bluff and bluster" that North builds cross cut spinnakers and
says themselves that they are faster for running and broad reaching?
It's right on their web site, right one the exact page you quoted!
Possibly you missed the bit about "reaching" and "pole a foot off the
forestay." Or maybe you didn't grasp what it means?

DSK