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Photos - Nelsons Flagship, Victory
Suppose something happens and she sinks. How would you feel then? Rember
what happened to Pride of Baltimore? Scotty "Bart Senior" wrote in message .net... Hey Joe, I think the Constitution should be sailed from port to port and put on display evey year, instead of sitting at a dock. It's not much better than Victory in permament dry dock--A sad state for a ship of the line. I'm embarassed to say that even Ole Ironsides, athough sailing, does not have full suit of sails. We could do better for her too. Bart Joe wrote Unfit for sea ya say Bart! I thought the Brit's had pride in Englands naval past. It's always nice to see ol Ironsides offsho http://www.sheriff.co.wise.tx.us/cuf.../ironsides.jpg She's clearly cared for properly, still a US Navy ship of the line. Joe |
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When the tall ships came to Balt. in 2000, I recall one country had a much
larger flag than the rest of the fleet. I took that as showing their pride, but then, I'm not jealous of other countries. I believe it was Columbia. for a pic.: http://www.sailbaltimore.org/opsail/ships.htm Scotty "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... Nah...... he probably saw the Eagle at dock with it's obnoxious 20x40 foot American Flag flying off the stern and got as upset about it as most of the visitors in Halifax did on the last Tall Ships. My 11 year old nephew's response when he saw that giant flag was " who the heck do they think they are flying that big a flag in OUR country!!??"... I explained they were Yankees and suffered a major identity crisis so they needed to lord their country over everybody to prove it had value. He still has a major hate on for American attitude...... way to go USA. ;-) CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... | Thanks for the site, Jeff. Cool pics. | | Nav must be choking on his anti-American jealousy. | | Scotty | | "Jeff Morris" wrote in message | ... | | "Navigator" wrote in message | ... | | | DSK wrote: | | Navigator wrote: | | You do know she's motoring? | | | You're showing your ignorance yet again, Navvie. | | The USS Constitution does not have an engine. | | | No kidding? I guess that means they won't need your 'sailing' expertise. | But the engine is on another boat that always shadows her. | | | Dead wrong, nav. I was there. She was free of her tow lines. | Admittedly, it | was the first time in over 100 years, and may be the last, but she was | sailing | on here own, without a tow, for about an hour. | | http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/.../sailsked.html | | http://www.ecnnews.com/const/ironside.htm | | | | |
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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
"DSK" wrote in message .. . Cool links, thanks. BTW it seemed (and still seems) to me that to spend all that money on sails, and not sail her more, is a real shame. She does carry sail several times a year, but not free of the tug. I read that her suit includes main & mizzen staysails, and would eventually include stun'sls. Any idea if this came true? Not that I know of. Seems to me that Old Ironsides would be an outstanding training vessel, and even more outstanding to show the flag around the world's ports. We should get our money's worth out of her! .. Let the Eagle do the goodwill tours - she's replaceable! Your in deep **** now if the USCG ever reads that line and connect it to you and your tug ;o) Joe Here's an interesting link to the materials used for the refit, including the sails. http://www.maritime.org/conf/conf-otton-mat.htm At the American Textile History Museum in Lowell Ma they have some antique looms that were used to recreate some of the fabrics on the ship (not the sails, which were a special 15 oz polyester). I was facinated watching the old loom run, but I couldn't imagine what it wold be like to have a few hundred running at the same time for 14 hours! |
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"Joe" wrote in message
. Let the Eagle do the goodwill tours - she's replaceable! Your in deep **** now if the USCG ever reads that line and connect it to you and your tug ;o) All we'd have to do is declare war on Romania and snarf the Mircea. But seriously, I think anyone in the CG would be willing to sacrifice the Eagle to preserve the Constitution. |
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No.. that was your flag on the Eagle..... and I stand corrected.... the
Flag was actually 40' x 60'!!! I mean REALLY!!!! where do you draw the line between 'pride' and arrogance? CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... | When the tall ships came to Balt. in 2000, I recall one country had a much | larger flag than the rest of the fleet. I took that as showing their pride, | but then, I'm not jealous of other countries. |
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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
... No.. that was your flag on the Eagle..... and I stand corrected.... the Flag was actually 40' x 60'!!! Look at the web site I posted. http://www.sailbaltimore.org/opsail/ships.htm I mean REALLY!!!! where do you draw the line between 'pride' and arrogance? *WE* don't have to! SV CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... | When the tall ships came to Balt. in 2000, I recall one country had a much | larger flag than the rest of the fleet. I took that as showing their pride, | but then, I'm not jealous of other countries. |
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Jeff Morris wrote: "Navigator" wrote in message ... DSK wrote: Navigator wrote: You do know she's motoring? You're showing your ignorance yet again, Navvie. The USS Constitution does not have an engine. No kidding? I guess that means they won't need your 'sailing' expertise. But the engine is on another boat that always shadows her. Dead wrong, nav. I was there. She was free of her tow lines. Admittedly, it was the first time in over 100 years, and may be the last, but she was sailing on here own, without a tow, for about an hour. http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/.../sailsked.html http://www.ecnnews.com/const/ironside.htm Sorry jeff I don't see how anything I posted was wrong -unless you are denying the motor boat -her primary source of propulsion was not in attendence. Cheers |
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Scott Vernon wrote: Thanks for the site, Jeff. Cool pics. Nav must be choking on his anti-American jealousy. Jealous? No way! Perhaps you would like to consider why she is/was considered to be unseaworthy? Cheers |
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Not just pumps -fire pumps! And steel belts to stop her splitting open.
At the time I wrote to the mayor pointing how appalling her state was and questioned how such a rich country not afford to maintain it's few historical relics and connection founding history. It seemed that the explanation resided in a lack of clear lines of responsibility between state and federal for historical items. Meanwhile she just decayed more and more rapidly. Cheers Jeff Morris wrote: Wow, a 200 year old wooden ship with pumps running! What are the odds? "Navigator" wrote in message ... No it wasn't. It was splitting open like a rotten egg and was being braced by steel bands with fire pumps running 24/7. I was there -I walked past her every day... Cheers Jeff Morris wrote: Negative, Nav. The U.S.S. Constitution doesn't have a motor, and when that shot was taken she was free of her tow line, sailing on her own. Ten years ago she was in dry dock for a long planned restoration. It was intended to be only limited work, but after an inspection it was decided to do a full restoration. However, it would be unfair to say it "had nearly sunk from neglect," since the hull was relatively sound. "Navigator" wrote in message ... You do know she's motoring? 10 years ago she had nearly sunk from neglect. Cheers Joe wrote: "Bart Senior" wrote in message .cv.net... It's one of those trailer sailors, that you don't dare take out on the water. Nelson, if he was alive, would be sad to see this glorious vessel unfit for the sea. Unfit for sea ya say Bart! I thought the Brit's had pride in Englands naval past. It's always nice to see ol Ironsides offsho http://www.sheriff.co.wise.tx.us/cuf.../ironsides.jpg She's clearly cared for properly, still a US Navy ship of the line. Joe Bart Senior Icarus wrote Hi Have a look at these great pictures of Nelsons Flagship "Victory" at Portsmouth, England. Comments welcome. http://y2u.co.uk/&002_Images/Victory%20Nelson%2001.htm |
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