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Can I be in the club now? Huh huh can I?
"The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a
torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us." -- Paul Valéry, 1895 -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message ... Look what I just bought: http://tinyurl.com/2mdck |
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Just so there's no doubt....
The twelve commandments of flaming 1. Make things up about your opponent: It's important to make your lies sound true. Preface your argument with the word "clearly." "Clearly, Fred Flooney is a liar, and a dirtball to boot." 2. Be an armchair psychologist: You're a smart person. You've heard of Freud. You took a psychology course in college. Clearly, you're qualified to psychoanalyze your opponent. "Polly Purebread, by using the word 'zucchini' in her posting, shows she has a bad case of penis envy." 3. Cross-post your flames: Everyone on the net is just waiting for the next literary masterpiece to leave your terminal. From rec.arts.wobegon to alt.gourmand, they're all holding their breaths until your next flame. Therefore, post everywhere. 4. Conspiracies abound: If everyone's against you, the reason can't *possibly* be that you're a ****head. There's obviously a conspiracy against you, and you will be doing the entire net a favor by exposing it. 5. Lawsuit threats: This is the reverse of Rule #4 (sort of like the Yin & Yang of flaming). Threatening a lawsuit is always considered to be in good form. "By saying that I've posted to the wrong group, Bertha has libeled me, slandered me, and sodomized me. See you in court, Bertha." 6. Force them to document their claims: Even if Harry Hoinkus states outright that he likes tomato sauce on his pasta, you should demand documentation. If Newsweek hasn't written an article on Harry's pasta preferences, then Harry's obviously lying. 7. Use foreign phrases: French is good, but Latin is the lingua franca of flaming. You should use the words "ad hominem" at least three times per article. Other favorite Latin phrases are "ad nauseum," "vini, vidi, vici," and "fetuccini alfredo." 8. Tell 'em how smart you a Why use intelligent arguments to convince them you're smart when all you have to do is tell them? State that you're a member of Mensa or Mega or Dorks of America. Tell them the scores you received on every exam since high school. "I got an 800 on my SATs, LSATs, GREs, MCATs, and I can also spell the word 'premeiotic' ." 9. Accuse your opponent of censorship. It is your right as an American citizen to post whatever the hell you want to the net (as guaranteed by the 37th Amendment, I think). Anyone who tries to limit your cross-posting or move a flame war to email is either a communist, a fascist, or both. 10. Doubt their existence: You've never actually seen your opponent, have you? And since you're the center of the universe, you should have seen them by now, shouldn't you? Therefore, THEY DON'T EXIST! This is the beauty of flamers' logic. 11. Lie, cheat, steal, leave the toilet seat up. 12. When in doubt, insult: If you forget the other 11 rules, remember this one. At some point during your wonderful career as a flamer you will undoubtedly end up in a flame war with someone who is better than you. This person will expose your lies, tear apart your arguments, make you look generally like a bozo. At this point, there's only one thing to do: insult the dirtbag!!! "Oh yeah? Well, your mother does strange things with vegetables." The Golden Rule of Flaming My flames will be witty, insulting, interesting, funny, caustic, or sarcastic, but never, ever, will they be boring. Here endeth the scriptures. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message ... Look what I just bought: http://tinyurl.com/2mdck |
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:37:52 -0700, something compelled "Jonathan
Ganz" , to say: The twelve commandments of flaming OK, I'll admit to not getting it. I just picked up a 24' sloop for a measly $1600, and thought I'd share my joy here. Steve "Failing to see the flame" Daniels PS: Your list is old, and has been spotted elsewhere. Many times. |
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Heh... I missed the "list" post... can someone repost it?
CM "Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message ... | On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:37:52 -0700, something compelled "Jonathan | Ganz" , to say: | | The twelve commandments of flaming | | OK, I'll admit to not getting it. I just picked up a 24' sloop | for a measly $1600, and thought I'd share my joy here. | | Steve "Failing to see the flame" Daniels | | PS: Your list is old, and has been spotted elsewhere. Many | times. |
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Nice boat.... Good Luck
CM "Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message ... | | | Look what I just bought: http://tinyurl.com/2mdck |
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Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam wrote:
Look what I just bought: http://tinyurl.com/2mdck If those pictures are recent, congratulations. Looks like a nice boat. I'm not sure what "club" you want to be in. Did your check for dues clear? Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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This is the first step in joining the club - Ganz has to reply to your post with
a total non sequitur. The next step is RB congratulating you that you didn't buy a Seidelmann. Katy has to post unintelligible gibberish that she blames on a faulty keyboard. Scotty has to show you what you really meant to say. And so on. The final step is a "putzing" from Captain Neil. Congratulations on your new boat. -jeff "Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:37:52 -0700, something compelled "Jonathan Ganz" , to say: The twelve commandments of flaming OK, I'll admit to not getting it. I just picked up a 24' sloop for a measly $1600, and thought I'd share my joy here. Steve "Failing to see the flame" Daniels PS: Your list is old, and has been spotted elsewhere. Many times. |
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That's ok. $1600 isn't bad. Where do you sail?
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:37:52 -0700, something compelled "Jonathan Ganz" , to say: The twelve commandments of flaming OK, I'll admit to not getting it. I just picked up a 24' sloop for a measly $1600, and thought I'd share my joy here. Steve "Failing to see the flame" Daniels PS: Your list is old, and has been spotted elsewhere. Many times. |
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Sounds like he needs an attorney... Dave?
Don't joke with Donal. Stay away from Horass' tits and be nice to Lady Pilot and Haggie. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... This is the first step in joining the club - Ganz has to reply to your post with a total non sequitur. The next step is RB congratulating you that you didn't buy a Seidelmann. Katy has to post unintelligible gibberish that she blames on a faulty keyboard. Scotty has to show you what you really meant to say. And so on. The final step is a "putzing" from Captain Neil. Congratulations on your new boat. -jeff "Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:37:52 -0700, something compelled "Jonathan Ganz" , to say: The twelve commandments of flaming OK, I'll admit to not getting it. I just picked up a 24' sloop for a measly $1600, and thought I'd share my joy here. Steve "Failing to see the flame" Daniels PS: Your list is old, and has been spotted elsewhere. Many times. |
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:57:47 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote: That's ok. $1600 isn't bad. Where do you sail? Columbia River Gorge. I should be jibing and tacking between Hood River and The Dalles. Well, maybe just between Hood River and Lyle. The Columbia up by The Dalles loses some of its charm. |
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"Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote:
Look what I just bought: http://tinyurl.com/2mdck Nice looking boat. Now that you actually have one, let's hope you'll be spending your time maintaining and sailing it rather than wasting your time on usenet. I used to post here a lot. Once I bought my boat, I kinda wandered away. IOW, now that you're in the club, you probably won't be around much to "enjoy" it. -- //-Walt // // Sigs suck. Oh, the irony. |
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:50:57 -0400, Walt
wrote: "Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote: Look what I just bought: http://tinyurl.com/2mdck Nice looking boat. Thank you. I hope she's as attractive in person as she in on the Internet, but for the price I could live with a wrinkle or two. Now that you actually have one, let's hope you'll be spending your time maintaining and sailing it rather than wasting your time on usenet. I foresee sunburn in my future. Went through my West Marine catalog some last night.* I could easily spend more on accessories than I did on the boat. I can't see where it has a VHF radio, and while you can get through the locks without one, having one is a whole lot easier. I don't have much use for a GPS receiver, as I find it hard to believe that I could become sufficiently lost on a river as to need one. A hand bearing compass might be good, though. It's generally very windy here, so a storm jib might find its way into the sail locker, and a dodger sounds like an attractive addition. I used to post here a lot. Once I bought my boat, I kinda wandered away. IOW, now that you're in the club, you probably won't be around much to "enjoy" it. A few months ago I was reading fairly regularly, but the incessant flamefest became tiring. We'll see. *Use the catalog to identify the products, and the Internet to get a better price. Which shouldn't be all that hard, I mean sheesh. I don't mind if they smoke dope, I do mind that they don't share. |
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"A. Diesel Vents" wrote:
Went through my West Marine catalog some last night.* I could easily spend more on accessories than I did on the boat. Like you, I got a great deal on a boat. Which means that I've probably spent 5 or 6 times the purchase price on maintenance and upgrades - not sure exacty, I stopped counting when I got to a factor of three. And in case you're wondering, yes, it was worth it. -- //-Walt // // Sigs suck. Oh, the irony. |
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newbie bragged: Look what I just bought: http://tinyurl.com/2mdck
Hey, for 1600.00 even if it's a real piece of work you still have a sailboat....if the outboards and dinghy are ok, then you've got something...actually, the pictures don't look all that bad... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Jon enjoined: be nice to Lady Pilot and
Haggie. ....and all of a sudden I'm chopped liver???? -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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"Dave", the knee jerk conservative, babbled:
Businesses aren't in business to share. They're in business to make money. Leave the sharing to your therapy group. Are you claiming the consumers are obligated to buy from West if found something in their catalog? I don't mind giving some business to West/BoatUS - they do provide a service with stores, 6 in my area, and a nice catalog. However, for a major purchase, I'll always check out the alternatives. Until recently, I gave a lot of business to a family run chandlery, Marine Exchange (known locally as "Arlene's"), but, sadly, they're out of business now. I was disappointed when I checked out the latest West and Boat/US catalogs. They are now almost identical and the selection seems limited. A few days ago I was in the local Boat/US and asked for pricing of some items in the Clearance section. It turned out that many of the items were there because they are discontinued by the merger, but the price is actually the original price, which seems like deceptive marketing. I handed the items to the clerk and walked out. -jeff |
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katysails wrote: Jon enjoined: be nice to Lady Pilot and Haggie. ...and all of a sudden I'm Chopper alive???? If the shoe fits eat it! Cheers |
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"Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message ... Look what I just bought: http://tinyurl.com/2mdck Looks like you got a good deal. Congratulations.... and welcome to the club! Regards Donal -- |
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On 27 Apr 2004 17:04:08 -0500, something compelled Dave
, to say: On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:50:06 -0700, A. Diesel Vents said: I don't mind if they smoke dope, I do mind that they don't share. Businesses aren't in business to share. They're in business to make money. Leave the sharing to your therapy group. *I* don't need therapy. *I* have a sailboat. |
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"Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message
*I* don't need therapy. *I* have a sailboat. You say that now, but remember, boat ownership is a form of mental illness! |
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Steve,
She looks great. May the good Lord bless this vessle and all that set forth upon her. Matt Colie A.Sloop "Bonne Ide'e" S2-7.9 Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam wrote: Look what I just bought: http://tinyurl.com/2mdck |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... I'm also not entirely happy with the West/Boat US combination. But I don't expect handouts from them. They'll price at whatever they think will make them the most money, and I'll happily take my custom elsewhere if I think their prices are too high. Problem is there are fewer and fewer elsewheres. Dave S/V Good Fortune CS27 Who goes duck hunting with Jamie Gorelick? I can think of one good reason not to buy from this combo. WM has been selling merchandise for a while that carries their name. Prime example are their inflatable pfd's. WM's are manufactured by SOSpenders, and WM carries this brand, but they don't carry Mustang. BOAT/US used to carry Mustang, but they don't now. Wonder why? Happily, I can purchase a lot of the stuff I used to get at WM-BOAT/US from http://www.sailnet.com/ one of many on-line chandleries, usually for less even when you factor in the shipping. John Cairns |
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It goes without saying that people need to be nice to you!
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "katysails" wrote in message ... Jon enjoined: be nice to Lady Pilot and Haggie. ...and all of a sudden I'm chopped liver???? -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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I'm having trouble calculating the multiple I've spent on my
boat after buying her for $75. :-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Walt" wrote in message ... "A. Diesel Vents" wrote: Went through my West Marine catalog some last night.* I could easily spend more on accessories than I did on the boat. Like you, I got a great deal on a boat. Which means that I've probably spent 5 or 6 times the purchase price on maintenance and upgrades - not sure exacty, I stopped counting when I got to a factor of three. And in case you're wondering, yes, it was worth it. -- //-Walt // // Sigs suck. Oh, the irony. |
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Obviously, you're delusional.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message ... On 27 Apr 2004 17:04:08 -0500, something compelled Dave , to say: On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:50:06 -0700, A. Diesel Vents said: I don't mind if they smoke dope, I do mind that they don't share. Businesses aren't in business to share. They're in business to make money. Leave the sharing to your therapy group. *I* don't need therapy. *I* have a sailboat. |
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I got the same impression with their catalogs being similar and with less
stuff. Scotty "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... "Dave", the knee jerk conservative, babbled: Businesses aren't in business to share. They're in business to make money. Leave the sharing to your therapy group. Are you claiming the consumers are obligated to buy from West if found something in their catalog? I don't mind giving some business to West/BoatUS - they do provide a service with stores, 6 in my area, and a nice catalog. However, for a major purchase, I'll always check out the alternatives. Until recently, I gave a lot of business to a family run chandlery, Marine Exchange (known locally as "Arlene's"), but, sadly, they're out of business now. I was disappointed when I checked out the latest West and Boat/US catalogs. They are now almost identical and the selection seems limited. A few days ago I was in the local Boat/US and asked for pricing of some items in the Clearance section. It turned out that many of the items were there because they are discontinued by the merger, but the price is actually the original price, which seems like deceptive marketing. I handed the items to the clerk and walked out. -jeff |
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"Dave" wrote They'll price at whatever they think will make them the most money, WoW, what insight! You must be an economist, right? SV |
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Gongrats on the sailboat. Looks nice. Joining 'the club' is simple. The only
requirements are, (1) owning a sailboat and (2) paying the dues. Initial joining fee is $245.00, yearly dues are $20. Send cash (no canadjun crap) check, money order or gold doubloons to the treasurer; Scott Vernon 2nd barn on the left Plowville PA USA "Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message ... Look what I just bought: http://tinyurl.com/2mdck |
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I like Sailnet, and order from them mostly, especially since they have all
those mail lists. It pays to shop around. My last purchase, (some sheets and blocks), I found cheaper at http://www.pyacht.net/ even tho the blocks were ''on sale'' at Sailnet. Scotty "John Cairns" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ... I'm also not entirely happy with the West/Boat US combination. But I don't expect handouts from them. They'll price at whatever they think will make them the most money, and I'll happily take my custom elsewhere if I think their prices are too high. Problem is there are fewer and fewer elsewheres. Dave S/V Good Fortune CS27 Who goes duck hunting with Jamie Gorelick? I can think of one good reason not to buy from this combo. WM has been selling merchandise for a while that carries their name. Prime example are their inflatable pfd's. WM's are manufactured by SOSpenders, and WM carries this brand, but they don't carry Mustang. BOAT/US used to carry Mustang, but they don't now. Wonder why? Happily, I can purchase a lot of the stuff I used to get at WM-BOAT/US from http://www.sailnet.com/ one of many on-line chandleries, usually for less even when you factor in the shipping. John Cairns |
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Jon backpeddaled:
It goes without saying that people need to be nice to you! Oh...ok..... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 05:14:49 -0400, something compelled "Scott
Vernon" , to say: Send cash (no canadjun crap) check, money order or gold doubloons to the treasurer; Scott Vernon 2nd barn on the left Plowville PA USA scribble scrible scrible Ok, I'm all over it. Is there a membership card, and do we wear cool jackets like the bowling team? |
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Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam wrote:
Ok, I'm all over it. Is there a membership card, There's a card *and* a 'Certificate Of Membership' (for mounting on a bulkhead, so that both the club inspectors, and ordinary visitors to your vessel, can instantly appraise your status). and do we wear cool jackets like the bowling team? Proper, navy blue blazer, please. The club's embroidered 'Wheel & Anchor' logo should be sewn onto the blazer pocket (will be sent in the post). The cravat and 'Little Admiral' cap are optional, but recommended. -- Wally www.forthsailing.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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"Wally" wrote in message ... | Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam wrote: | | Ok, I'm all over it. Is there a membership card, | | There's a card *and* a 'Certificate Of Membership' (for mounting on a | bulkhead, so that both the club inspectors, and ordinary visitors to your | vessel, can instantly appraise your status). | | | and do we wear | cool jackets like the bowling team? | | Proper, navy blue blazer, please. The club's embroidered 'Wheel & Anchor' | logo should be sewn onto the blazer pocket (will be sent in the post). The | cravat and 'Little Admiral' cap are optional, but recommended. ....barring the above an alternate dress code of a fake Rasta Dread wig and any earthy coloured cannabis fabric clothing combined with vast quantities of booze aboard will pass muster for membership. Remember.... the difference between adversity and adventure is attitude. CM |
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On 28 Apr 2004 09:58:05 -0500, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 05:04:42 -0400, "Scott Vernon" said: They'll price at whatever they think will make them the most money, WoW, what insight! You must be an economist, right? Well, it does seem to come as a bit of a shock to the folks who expect West to "share." It's rapidly becoming apparent that my little quip flew right over your masthead. Go watch a couple of Cheech & Chong movies, and get back to us if you have any questions. |
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I have a lot of experience with backpeddling. Doesn't seem to
help most of the time.... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "katysails" wrote in message ... Jon backpeddaled: It goes without saying that people need to be nice to you! Oh...ok..... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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"Wally" wrote in message ...
Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam wrote: Ok, I'm all over it. Is there a membership card, There's a card *and* a 'Certificate Of Membership' (for mounting on a bulkhead, so that both the club inspectors, and ordinary visitors to your vessel, can instantly appraise your status). and do we wear cool jackets like the bowling team? Yeah check out the bloted banana helming Alien. Proper, navy blue blazer, please. The club's embroidered 'Wheel & Anchor' logo should be sewn onto the blazer pocket (will be sent in the post). The cravat and 'Little Admiral' cap are optional, but recommended. That will clash with the tin foil hats most members here wear. Joe |
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OzOne wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:55:06 +0100, "Wally" scribbled thusly: ). The cravat and 'Little Admiral' cap are optional, but recommended. I'd really prefer a Greek sailors cap, a dress one of course with the braid [ahem] *Gold* braid!!!! Regards Donal -- Oh....BTW a "*Gay* Greek sailors cap". |
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"Capt. Mooron" wrote
| | Proper, navy blue blazer, please. The club's embroidered 'Wheel & Anchor' | logo should be sewn onto the blazer pocket (will be sent in the post). The | cravat and 'Little Admiral' cap are optional, but recommended. ...barring the above an alternate dress code of a fake Rasta Dread wig and any earthy coloured cannabis fabric clothing combined with vast quantities of booze aboard will pass muster for membership. Remember.... the difference between adversity and adventure is attitude. yes, anything but a Greek fisherman's cap. |
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ha ha, seriously tho, WM or Boats-r-US used to have a 'new boat discount'.
A discusion on another list as to weather they still do, seemed to confirm that some of the stores do. It's a discount for 3 months after the purchase of a boat. Don't have all the details. Scotty "A. Diesel Vents" wrote in message ... On 28 Apr 2004 09:58:05 -0500, Dave wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 05:04:42 -0400, "Scott Vernon" said: They'll price at whatever they think will make them the most money, WoW, what insight! You must be an economist, right? Well, it does seem to come as a bit of a shock to the folks who expect West to "share." It's rapidly becoming apparent that my little quip flew right over your masthead. Go watch a couple of Cheech & Chong movies, and get back to us if you have any questions. |
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