While its true that the engine may be an advantage comparing to "boat of its
size," Jim first appeared here asking for advice about used 30 to 32 footers. A
mac might still be able to outrun a C&C 32, but not by much if its a bit rough.
On the other hand, what constitutes "heavy weather" is a lot different on a
proper boat.

Its clear that Jim wanted the Mac all along, since he claimed that all used
boats have some fatal flaw, and that his wife preferred the interior of the Mac
to any other boat that could be had for the same price. I think he only took
her to see boats that had been abandoned.




"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
How about his expectation that he can motor away from incoming heavy weather
at lots of knots when the boat has the usual complement of sails, spars,
people, and gear? He seems to think he can make 'book speed', when that
speed is quoted for an unloaded and stripped-down boat. I gather the reality
is that he'll make little more than a decent sailboat (10kt or so?) and
that's keeping everyone below or in the cockpit.


Even loaded down and with some chop, he can still make a run for home faster
than any sailboat of aprox. the same size. If he miscalculates, blows his
tanks
and then gets caught unbalasted, he'll regret it.
Understand, Wally, I have no respect for the Mac line. BUT, I won't say that
it
can't make SOME owners happy within it's narrow limits. To argue those limits
becomes somewhat futile when you don't know the owner or his variables.
As I said, I wish Jim good luck with his boat.

RB

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
| Its clear that Jim wanted the Mac all along, since he claimed that all
used
| boats have some fatal flaw, and that his wife preferred the interior of
the Mac
| to any other boat that could be had for the same price. I think he only
took
| her to see boats that had been abandoned.

She probably demands the furniture is covered in plastic as well......

CM

Why bother with naugahyde?

Cheers

Capt. Mooron wrote:

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
| Its clear that Jim wanted the Mac all along, since he claimed that all
used
| boats have some fatal flaw, and that his wife preferred the interior of
the Mac
| to any other boat that could be had for the same price. I think he only
took
| her to see boats that had been abandoned.

She probably demands the furniture is covered in plastic as well......

CM

Jeff Morris wrote:

While its true that the engine may be an advantage comparing to "boat of its
size," Jim first appeared here asking for advice about used 30 to 32 footers. A
mac might still be able to outrun a C&C 32, but not by much if its a bit rough.
On the other hand, what constitutes "heavy weather" is a lot different on a
proper boat.

Its clear that Jim wanted the Mac all along, since he claimed that all used
boats have some fatal flaw, and that his wife preferred the interior of the Mac
to any other boat that could be had for the same price. I think he only took
her to see boats that had been abandoned.


Clear that Jim wanted the Mac all along?

Actually, although I have always liked the versatility of the Macs, my
personal choice would have been the Cal 34 that I mentioned earlier, and
I was ready to put a deposit on it. However, my wife was adamantly
opposed to the Cal because of the unfortunate appearance of its
interior. - My continued defense of the Macs on this ng derives from my
observation that the Macs haven't got fair treatment or accurate
characterizations on this ng. I'm trying to bring a little balance to
the discussion.

Jim



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

How about his expectation that he can motor away from incoming heavy weather
at lots of knots when the boat has the usual complement of sails, spars,
people, and gear? He seems to think he can make 'book speed', when that
speed is quoted for an unloaded and stripped-down boat. I gather the reality
is that he'll make little more than a decent sailboat (10kt or so?) and
that's keeping everyone below or in the cockpit.


Even loaded down and with some chop, he can still make a run for home faster
than any sailboat of aprox. the same size. If he miscalculates, blows his

tanks

and then gets caught unbalasted, he'll regret it.
Understand, Wally, I have no respect for the Mac line. BUT, I won't say that

it

can't make SOME owners happy within it's narrow limits. To argue those limits
becomes somewhat futile when you don't know the owner or his variables.
As I said, I wish Jim good luck with his boat.

RB

It's crystal clear. You have yet to prove this isn't so. We're
all waiting. Prove it or shut up.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
Clear that Jim wanted the Mac all along?

Actually, although I have always liked the versatility of the Macs, my
personal choice would have been the Cal 34 that I mentioned earlier, and
I was ready to put a deposit on it. However, my wife was adamantly
opposed to the Cal because of the unfortunate appearance of its
interior. - My continued defense of the Macs on this ng derives from my
observation that the Macs haven't got fair treatment or accurate
characterizations on this ng. I'm trying to bring a little balance to
the discussion.

Jim



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

How about his expectation that he can motor away from incoming heavy
weather
at lots of knots when the boat has the usual complement of sails, spars,
people, and gear? He seems to think he can make 'book speed', when that
speed is quoted for an unloaded and stripped-down boat. I gather the
reality
is that he'll make little more than a decent sailboat (10kt or so?) and
that's keeping everyone below or in the cockpit.


Even loaded down and with some chop, he can still make a run for home
faster
than any sailboat of aprox. the same size. If he miscalculates, blows
his

tanks

and then gets caught unbalasted, he'll regret it.
Understand, Wally, I have no respect for the Mac line. BUT, I won't say
that

it

can't make SOME owners happy within it's narrow limits. To argue those
limits
becomes somewhat futile when you don't know the owner or his variables.
As I said, I wish Jim good luck with his boat.

RB

We're
all waiting.



"All" waiting. I think only Jonathan and a few other non-sailors are waiting.
The rest have lives and boats to sail.

RB

Sort of like you? With fat, ugly teen runaways, a lot of lies, some
stealing,
and an unsafe boat?

No, I have a real life.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
We're
all waiting.



"All" waiting. I think only Jonathan and a few other non-sailors are
waiting.
The rest have lives and boats to sail.

RB

No, I have a real life.


And that's what's so sad. In another day or two I'll be off sailing while you
continue to beg Jim Cate for his Mac26M order form!
That's some life ya got there! Where's YOUR order for a new boat? Can you use
food stamps to buy it? Jonathan, I know your type. Poor and likely to stay that
way because you're angry at anyone with means. This is what upsets you about
Jim Cate, not his choice of boat, which you have NEVER sailed!

RB

oooh... you're so unimpressive. I've no interest in a new boat. Why
would I want to take the hit for that when I can sail excellent used
boats basically for free. I teach sailing four days a week, during the
week and off and on on weekends. I also own my own boat, that
I fixed and upgraded with my own two hands and the help of friends.

You, on the other hand, have no life beyond trolls, ripping people
off, and lying. You know very little about boats, nothing about
sailing, and clearly have a desperate existence.

I hope MacBoy feels good about having a slime like you defend
him. Anyone with half a brain would run away from you at hull
speed.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
No, I have a real life.


And that's what's so sad. In another day or two I'll be off sailing while
you
continue to beg Jim Cate for his Mac26M order form!
That's some life ya got there! Where's YOUR order for a new boat? Can you
use
food stamps to buy it? Jonathan, I know your type. Poor and likely to stay
that
way because you're angry at anyone with means. This is what upsets you
about
Jim Cate, not his choice of boat, which you have NEVER sailed!

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

And that's what's so sad. In another day or two I'll be off sailing while
you
| continue to beg Jim Cate for his Mac26M order form!
| That's some life ya got there! Where's YOUR order for a new boat? Can you
use
| food stamps to buy it? Jonathan, I know your type. Poor and likely to stay
that
| way because you're angry at anyone with means. This is what upsets you
about
| Jim Cate, not his choice of boat, which you have NEVER sailed!

WELCOME BACK BOB!!!!!!!!! ;-D

CM