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"Bobsprit" wrote in message | | Wally, did you actually read the guys posts? He's not going 100 miles offshore. | Even a Mac can handle a squall. No Bob.... a Mac cannot handle a squall! I've already towed one to a protected bay and off loaded it's passengers for a leisurely sail back to port in 35 knots of wind. The Mac was losing ground and drifting to a lee shore when we saw the flare. The owner sold the boat the following week. CM |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:52:07 +0930, Flying Tadpole
wrote: felton wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:35:17 -0400, "Seahag" wrote: "felton" wrote: "The most dangerous words in sailing are a lot of boat for the money.":) I'm not sure who originated this, but it strikes a chord of truthfulness with me. Ummmm, brokers?????? Almost anything a broker says is likely to be dangerous:) Almost anything a Mac dealer says is likely to be humorous:) And almost anything a Mac buyer says is likely to be...? The lamentations of the damned...:) |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message | He probably won't do that either, Wally. Most of what he spoke of concerned | taking the boat into shallow waters so his kids could swim and play. The Mac | should work well in this regard. No Bob it won't... the design is not suited to a stop & swim philosophy. The huge outboard and rocking motion will at anchor make it dangerous to use the ladder in all but the calmest condition. CM |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message | With her tanks full, the Mac should be able to deal with most sudden weather | troubles. I take it you have never sailed any of the Mac series Bob.... or you wouldn't make that statement. CM |
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How about his expectation that he can motor away from incoming heavy weather
at lots of knots when the boat has the usual complement of sails, spars, people, and gear? He seems to think he can make 'book speed', when that speed is quoted for an unloaded and stripped-down boat. I gather the reality is that he'll make little more than a decent sailboat (10kt or so?) and that's keeping everyone below or in the cockpit. Even loaded down and with some chop, he can still make a run for home faster than any sailboat of aprox. the same size. If he miscalculates, blows his tanks and then gets caught unbalasted, he'll regret it. Understand, Wally, I have no respect for the Mac line. BUT, I won't say that it can't make SOME owners happy within it's narrow limits. To argue those limits becomes somewhat futile when you don't know the owner or his variables. As I said, I wish Jim good luck with his boat. RB |
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I take it you have never sailed any of the Mac series Bob.... or you
wouldn't make that statement. Macs have certainly been hit by the occasional squall and live to tell the tale. Let's not go crazy here. I admit that the 26 is cheap cheap cheap, but it can handle what most weekend boaters will toss at it. The kind of person who buys it lacks the know-how and balls to challenge it's design much. Of course the "stupid factor" can come into play, but that works on good boats as well. RB |
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Oh Bobsprit, so serious and leaden! Where has the joie-de-vie
gone? What has happened to the once all-encompassing mass troller? No wonder we're all left fighting over Jim the Deafer's berley bucket. C'mon taddy. Scotty, Ganz, Doug and a few others are still going with the same sad trolls and comments. Zero imagination or wit on their part. I'm not encouraged to beat a dead horse any further. Meanwhile, people like Ozzy, Jeff, Mooron and others actually have valuable info and ideas. Too often they get burried in the swamps of Alt.Sailing.Asa. There's NOTHING mundane about real boat talk. RB |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message | Macs have certainly been hit by the occasional squall and live to tell the | tale. Let's not go crazy here. I admit that the 26 is cheap cheap cheap, but it | can handle what most weekend boaters will toss at it. This is the point of contention.... the vessel will not meet it's advertised capabilities and the company bases it's selling point on the fact that most buyers are "week-enders" and neophytes that view a 20 knot wind as a squall. The kind of person who | buys it lacks the know-how and balls to challenge it's design much. Of course | the "stupid factor" can come into play, but that works on good boats as well. It's this very mantle of ignorance that is donned by anyone owning a Mac that we are desperately trying to get Jim to doff. He claims experience on other boats but displays a fundamental lack of comprehension as to vessel quality and handling characteristics. This alone is cause for concern.... add to it a poorly designed and engineered mutant of power/sail..... it amounts to a recipe for disaster. To top off this exercise in ignorance is the fact he will place his grandchildren in harm's way to prove his misconceptions. I believe he really thinks that he is a match for Red Cloud. That my friend is dangerous in the extreme. To wish him well is akin to wishing a suicide jumper a nice trip down..... CM |
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Flying Tadpole wrote:
Oi! It's not me who keeps offering the newsgroup squirty cheese as a means for improving their standing! A substitute for Viagra? Cheers Marty |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... | Even loaded down and with some chop, he can still make a run for home faster | than any sailboat of aprox. the same size. If he miscalculates, blows his tanks | and then gets caught unbalasted, he'll regret it. You can't "blow" the ballast tanks on a Mac.... they must be drained manually from the trailer or with a pump. The vessel cannot pound to weather. I have passed Mac's under sail to weather while they were under power. The boat will porpoise and dive in steep waves. Taking a wave broadside is an exhilarating "near death" experience on a Mac. They must quarter the wave train and remain at steerage way speeds to avoid swamping. Been There ...Done That. | Understand, Wally, I have no respect for the Mac line. BUT, I won't say that it | can't make SOME owners happy within it's narrow limits. To argue those limits | becomes somewhat futile when you don't know the owner or his variables. | As I said, I wish Jim good luck with his boat. The boat is suitable for protected waters... preferably inland..... riverways and small lakes. Their only selling features were trailerable, cheap and multi-use weekenders. They do not belong on the ocean or on a large lake. The current asking price of 32 k is beyond ridiculous. CM |
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To wish him well is akin to wishing a suicide jumper a nice trip down.....
We've all attempted to explain the situation. He's gone ahead in any case, assuming that the ads and copy must be "mostly" true. There's nothing left now but to wish him well and be done with it. Last season I met a 26X owner who "liked" his boat. Some people think Bush is a good president. What can be done? I'm wearing my "Re-Defeat Bush" button and enjoying the season. RB |
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I concur..... on all counts Bob.
Nonetheless... I enjoyed Jim's posts. ;-) CM "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... | To wish him well is akin to wishing a suicide jumper a nice trip down..... | | | We've all attempted to explain the situation. He's gone ahead in any case, | assuming that the ads and copy must be "mostly" true. | There's nothing left now but to wish him well and be done with it. Last season | I met a 26X owner who "liked" his boat. Some people think Bush is a good | president. What can be done? I'm wearing my "Re-Defeat Bush" button and | enjoying the season. | | RB |
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Bob is back and lying as usual. He knows nothing about
boats; therefore, HE WINS. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Oh Bobsprit, so serious and leaden! Where has the joie-de-vie gone? What has happened to the once all-encompassing mass troller? No wonder we're all left fighting over Jim the Deafer's berley bucket. C'mon taddy. Scotty, Ganz, Doug and a few others are still going with the same sad trolls and comments. Zero imagination or wit on their part. I'm not encouraged to beat a dead horse any further. Meanwhile, people like Ozzy, Jeff, Mooron and others actually have valuable info and ideas. Too often they get burried in the swamps of Alt.Sailing.Asa. There's NOTHING mundane about real boat talk. RB |
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You can drain the tanks by planing over 6 knots. Its a bit of a paradox, given
that there are so many safety warnings about running with tanks empty, especially at speed. "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... | Even loaded down and with some chop, he can still make a run for home faster | than any sailboat of aprox. the same size. If he miscalculates, blows his tanks | and then gets caught unbalasted, he'll regret it. You can't "blow" the ballast tanks on a Mac.... they must be drained manually from the trailer or with a pump. The vessel cannot pound to weather. I have passed Mac's under sail to weather while they were under power. The boat will porpoise and dive in steep waves. Taking a wave broadside is an exhilarating "near death" experience on a Mac. They must quarter the wave train and remain at steerage way speeds to avoid swamping. Been There ...Done That. | Understand, Wally, I have no respect for the Mac line. BUT, I won't say that it | can't make SOME owners happy within it's narrow limits. To argue those limits | becomes somewhat futile when you don't know the owner or his variables. | As I said, I wish Jim good luck with his boat. The boat is suitable for protected waters... preferably inland..... riverways and small lakes. Their only selling features were trailerable, cheap and multi-use weekenders. They do not belong on the ocean or on a large lake. The current asking price of 32 k is beyond ridiculous. CM |
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While its true that the engine may be an advantage comparing to "boat of its
size," Jim first appeared here asking for advice about used 30 to 32 footers. A mac might still be able to outrun a C&C 32, but not by much if its a bit rough. On the other hand, what constitutes "heavy weather" is a lot different on a proper boat. Its clear that Jim wanted the Mac all along, since he claimed that all used boats have some fatal flaw, and that his wife preferred the interior of the Mac to any other boat that could be had for the same price. I think he only took her to see boats that had been abandoned. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... How about his expectation that he can motor away from incoming heavy weather at lots of knots when the boat has the usual complement of sails, spars, people, and gear? He seems to think he can make 'book speed', when that speed is quoted for an unloaded and stripped-down boat. I gather the reality is that he'll make little more than a decent sailboat (10kt or so?) and that's keeping everyone below or in the cockpit. Even loaded down and with some chop, he can still make a run for home faster than any sailboat of aprox. the same size. If he miscalculates, blows his tanks and then gets caught unbalasted, he'll regret it. Understand, Wally, I have no respect for the Mac line. BUT, I won't say that it can't make SOME owners happy within it's narrow limits. To argue those limits becomes somewhat futile when you don't know the owner or his variables. As I said, I wish Jim good luck with his boat. RB |
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The boat won't plane Jeff.... but I agree that the method would drain the
ballast. I certainly wouldn't do it with the stick up though. CM "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... | You can drain the tanks by planing over 6 knots. Its a bit of a paradox, given | that there are so many safety warnings about running with tanks empty, | especially at speed. | | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message | ... | | "Bobsprit" wrote in message | ... | | | Even loaded down and with some chop, he can still make a run for home | faster | | than any sailboat of aprox. the same size. If he miscalculates, blows his | tanks | | and then gets caught unbalasted, he'll regret it. | | You can't "blow" the ballast tanks on a Mac.... they must be drained | manually from the trailer or with a pump. The vessel cannot pound to | weather. I have passed Mac's under sail to weather while they were under | power. The boat will porpoise and dive in steep waves. Taking a wave | broadside is an exhilarating "near death" experience on a Mac. They must | quarter the wave train and remain at steerage way speeds to avoid swamping. | Been There ...Done That. | | | | | Understand, Wally, I have no respect for the Mac line. BUT, I won't say | that it | | can't make SOME owners happy within it's narrow limits. To argue those | limits | | becomes somewhat futile when you don't know the owner or his variables. | | As I said, I wish Jim good luck with his boat. | | The boat is suitable for protected waters... preferably inland..... | riverways and small lakes. Their only selling features were trailerable, | cheap and multi-use weekenders. They do not belong on the ocean or on a | large lake. The current asking price of 32 k is beyond ridiculous. | | CM | | | | |
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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message | Its clear that Jim wanted the Mac all along, since he claimed that all used | boats have some fatal flaw, and that his wife preferred the interior of the Mac | to any other boat that could be had for the same price. I think he only took | her to see boats that had been abandoned. She probably demands the furniture is covered in plastic as well...... CM |
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Perhaps you should try it sometime?
Cheers DSK wrote: Flying Tadpole wrote: Oi! It's not me who keeps offering the newsgroup squirty cheese as a means for improving their standing! No no, you've got it wrong... squirty cheese is supposed improve one's *sitting*. |
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Why bother with naugahyde?
Cheers Capt. Mooron wrote: "Jeff Morris" wrote in message | Its clear that Jim wanted the Mac all along, since he claimed that all used | boats have some fatal flaw, and that his wife preferred the interior of the Mac | to any other boat that could be had for the same price. I think he only took | her to see boats that had been abandoned. She probably demands the furniture is covered in plastic as well...... CM |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Oh Bobsprit, so serious and leaden! Where has the joie-de-vie gone? What has happened to the once all-encompassing mass troller? No wonder we're all left fighting over Jim the Deafer's berley bucket. C'mon taddy. Scotty, Ganz, Doug and a few others are still going with the same sad trolls and comments. Zero imagination or wit on their part. I'm not encouraged to beat a dead horse any further. Meanwhile, people like Ozzy, Jeff, Mooron and others actually have valuable info and ideas. Too often they get burried in the swamps of Alt.Sailing.Asa. There's NOTHING mundane about real boat talk. Oi!!! Have I offended you? Why didn't you mention me in your polite(lame) troll? Regards Donal -- |
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"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... What has happened to the once all-encompassing mass The diet worked???? Regards Donal -- |
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Wally wrote: Bobsprit wrote: ... He appears to understand what the limits are ... Yup, 100 miles offshore, and winds no more than 70 knots. As understood, you were reading those notes for entertainment value. The "100 miles offshore" in "70 knot winds" was obviously intended as entertainment. I really didn't think it was necessary to explain that. You probably ought to consider that note in context with a number of other notes in which I emphasized that I wasn't going to go out in heavy weather, but intended to be prepared for whatever came, and that I was going to return to port early if weather conditions changed. In other words, the 70-knot wind note was obviously a joke, and if you weren't trying to put me down, you would have acknowledged that it was a joke yourself. - But, of course, you are tryng to put me down, so you won't. Jim |
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Capt. Mooron wrote: "Bobsprit" wrote in message | He probably won't do that either, Wally. Most of what he spoke of concerned | taking the boat into shallow waters so his kids could swim and play. The Mac | should work well in this regard. No Bob it won't... the design is not suited to a stop & swim philosophy. The huge outboard and rocking motion will at anchor make it dangerous to use the ladder in all but the calmest condition. CM Not if it's beached on the shore. Jim |
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Wally wrote: Bobsprit wrote: With her tanks full, the Mac should be able to deal with most sudden weather troubles. He probably should not venture out too far unless he has a reliable weather window. I see nothing in Jim's comments about the Mac that is cause for alarm. No one here has sailed the new Mac. How about his expectation that he can motor away from incoming heavy weather at lots of knots when the boat has the usual complement of sails, spars, people, and gear? He seems to think he can make 'book speed', when that speed is quoted for an unloaded and stripped-down boat. What's the date and time of that particular post, Wally? I can't seem to find it. Jim |
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Capt. Mooron wrote: "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... | Even loaded down and with some chop, he can still make a run for home faster | than any sailboat of aprox. the same size. If he miscalculates, blows his tanks | and then gets caught unbalasted, he'll regret it. You can't "blow" the ballast tanks on a Mac.... they must be drained manually from the trailer or with a pump. The vessel cannot pound to weather. I have passed Mac's under sail to weather while they were under power. The boat will porpoise and dive in steep waves. Taking a wave broadside is an exhilarating "near death" experience on a Mac. They must quarter the wave train and remain at steerage way speeds to avoid swamping. Been There ...Done That. | Understand, Wally, I have no respect for the Mac line. BUT, I won't say that it | can't make SOME owners happy within it's narrow limits. To argue those limits | becomes somewhat futile when you don't know the owner or his variables. | As I said, I wish Jim good luck with his boat. The boat is suitable for protected waters... preferably inland..... riverways and small lakes. The Macs are designed for coastal cruising. They are sailed routinely off the California coast, in SF Bay, out to Catalina Island, etc. Jim |
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Jeff Morris wrote: While its true that the engine may be an advantage comparing to "boat of its size," Jim first appeared here asking for advice about used 30 to 32 footers. A mac might still be able to outrun a C&C 32, but not by much if its a bit rough. On the other hand, what constitutes "heavy weather" is a lot different on a proper boat. Its clear that Jim wanted the Mac all along, since he claimed that all used boats have some fatal flaw, and that his wife preferred the interior of the Mac to any other boat that could be had for the same price. I think he only took her to see boats that had been abandoned. Clear that Jim wanted the Mac all along? Actually, although I have always liked the versatility of the Macs, my personal choice would have been the Cal 34 that I mentioned earlier, and I was ready to put a deposit on it. However, my wife was adamantly opposed to the Cal because of the unfortunate appearance of its interior. - My continued defense of the Macs on this ng derives from my observation that the Macs haven't got fair treatment or accurate characterizations on this ng. I'm trying to bring a little balance to the discussion. Jim "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... How about his expectation that he can motor away from incoming heavy weather at lots of knots when the boat has the usual complement of sails, spars, people, and gear? He seems to think he can make 'book speed', when that speed is quoted for an unloaded and stripped-down boat. I gather the reality is that he'll make little more than a decent sailboat (10kt or so?) and that's keeping everyone below or in the cockpit. Even loaded down and with some chop, he can still make a run for home faster than any sailboat of aprox. the same size. If he miscalculates, blows his tanks and then gets caught unbalasted, he'll regret it. Understand, Wally, I have no respect for the Mac line. BUT, I won't say that it can't make SOME owners happy within it's narrow limits. To argue those limits becomes somewhat futile when you don't know the owner or his variables. As I said, I wish Jim good luck with his boat. RB |
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Capt. Mooron wrote: Good Job Bob...... your advise generally reflects everything that everyone on this group has tried in vain to advise Jim regarding the Mac purchase. I guess there is no other choice but to let the poor fellow proceed down the river without a paddle. CM Yes, you certainly can't blame Bob for not warning me. Jim |
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Jonathan Ganz wrote: You know what proof. You don't have it. You are no sailor. You're also beyond stupid to listen to or communicate with boober. I'm assuming that you want me to post a copy of my order form to "prove" that I ordered the boat whan I said I did. Is that what you are talking about, John? I'll show the order form to Joe,and he can report back to the group. - Will that be OK? Jim |
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Jim Cate wrote: Jonathan Ganz wrote: You know what proof. You don't have it. You are no sailor. You're also beyond stupid to listen to or communicate with boober. I'm assuming that you want me to post a copy of my order form to "prove" that I ordered the boat whan I said I did. Is that what you are talking about, John? I'll show the order form to Joe,and he can report back to the group. - Will that be OK? You've actually ordered one? Can you cancel the order? Even if they don't refund the deposit it would be a good move IMO. Cheers |
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Sure we can.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Capt. Mooron wrote: Good Job Bob...... your advise generally reflects everything that everyone on this group has tried in vain to advise Jim regarding the Mac purchase. I guess there is no other choice but to let the poor fellow proceed down the river without a paddle. CM Yes, you certainly can't blame Bob for not warning me. Jim |
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You're going to use the ladder after you run it up on the
beach??? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Capt. Mooron wrote: "Bobsprit" wrote in message | He probably won't do that either, Wally. Most of what he spoke of concerned | taking the boat into shallow waters so his kids could swim and play. The Mac | should work well in this regard. No Bob it won't... the design is not suited to a stop & swim philosophy. The huge outboard and rocking motion will at anchor make it dangerous to use the ladder in all but the calmest condition. CM Not if it's beached on the shore. Jim |
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You're almost as bad a liar as Bob****. Very rarely have I even seen
one IN the bay. Mostly, there they wallow or run under engine. I've never seen one sailed properly (assuming that's even possible). It would be just your level of stupidity to think that venturing out of the Gate would be appropriate for a MacCrap. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... The Macs are designed for coastal cruising. They are sailed routinely off the California coast, in SF Bay, out to Catalina Island, etc. Jim |
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It's crystal clear. You have yet to prove this isn't so. We're
all waiting. Prove it or shut up. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Clear that Jim wanted the Mac all along? Actually, although I have always liked the versatility of the Macs, my personal choice would have been the Cal 34 that I mentioned earlier, and I was ready to put a deposit on it. However, my wife was adamantly opposed to the Cal because of the unfortunate appearance of its interior. - My continued defense of the Macs on this ng derives from my observation that the Macs haven't got fair treatment or accurate characterizations on this ng. I'm trying to bring a little balance to the discussion. Jim "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... How about his expectation that he can motor away from incoming heavy weather at lots of knots when the boat has the usual complement of sails, spars, people, and gear? He seems to think he can make 'book speed', when that speed is quoted for an unloaded and stripped-down boat. I gather the reality is that he'll make little more than a decent sailboat (10kt or so?) and that's keeping everyone below or in the cockpit. Even loaded down and with some chop, he can still make a run for home faster than any sailboat of aprox. the same size. If he miscalculates, blows his tanks and then gets caught unbalasted, he'll regret it. Understand, Wally, I have no respect for the Mac line. BUT, I won't say that it can't make SOME owners happy within it's narrow limits. To argue those limits becomes somewhat futile when you don't know the owner or his variables. As I said, I wish Jim good luck with his boat. RB |
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MacBoy,
So, you're admitting now that you're a liar. Thanks. He doesn't have to try. You're doing it yourself. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... As understood, you were reading those notes for entertainment value. The "100 miles offshore" in "70 knot winds" was obviously intended as entertainment. I really didn't think it was necessary to explain that. You probably ought to consider that note in context with a number of other notes in which I emphasized that I wasn't going to go out in heavy weather, but intended to be prepared for whatever came, and that I was going to return to port early if weather conditions changed. In other words, the 70-knot wind note was obviously a joke, and if you weren't trying to put me down, you would have acknowledged that it was a joke yourself. - But, of course, you are tryng to put me down, so you won't. Jim |
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No. Post it. Why should you have to wait? It's pretty simple
to shut me up. Go for it. You don't because you can't. QED. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Jonathan Ganz wrote: You know what proof. You don't have it. You are no sailor. You're also beyond stupid to listen to or communicate with boober. I'm assuming that you want me to post a copy of my order form to "prove" that I ordered the boat whan I said I did. Is that what you are talking about, John? I'll show the order form to Joe,and he can report back to the group. - Will that be OK? Jim |
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MacBoy,
So, you're admitting now that you're a liar. Thanks. No. he's admitting he has a sense of humor. Some people here clearlly don't. RB |
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You're going to use the ladder after you run it up on the
beach??? Jonathan has clearly no knowledge of the 26. RB |
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We're
all waiting. "All" waiting. I think only Jonathan and a few other non-sailors are waiting. The rest have lives and boats to sail. RB |
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No. Post it. Why should you have to wait? It's pretty simple
to shut me up. Go for it. You don't because you can't. QED. Jim, don't post any proof. I'd like to see some pics of the boat when you get her and hear your sailing impressions. Others here will make a few snide comments, but I'd bet that even they'd like to know how the new design performs. Ganz is only a troll who will continue to be angry that you can afford a new boat of any kind. Believe me, that's all there is to it. RB |
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"Jim Cate" wrote in message ... He seems to think he can make 'book speed', when that speed is quoted for an unloaded and stripped-down boat. What's the date and time of that particular post, Wally? I can't seem to find it. You've taken your lessons from RB well, Jim. You enjoy trading meaningless insults but when it comes to the truth you suddenly get very quiet. You blatantly lie about what others say, and then you claim not to remember your own statements, even when they've been posted for you. Here's your comments again: "Am I going to be stranded off-shore in unexpected weather conditions? - (Actually, since the boat can motor back at 18 mph, it has a better chance of getting back to shore faster than a displacement boat." "I'm getting a boat that's capable of motoring in 1.5 feet of water and sailing offshore, motoring at 18 knots to a desired destination, " "Regarding access to good sailing areas, the MacGregor can plane out to the desired sailing are at around 15-18 knots" "Like, planing the boat at around 12 knots under sail, or 18 knots under power." You're just a cheap lying troll, aren't you Jim? I was willing to take you on face value, but your complete dishonesty is beginning to make you look like a salesman after all. |
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