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I must admit he had excellent presentation..... a clean cast and played the
ripples like a pro.

Nonetheless... if you were a real friend... you would have talked him out of
this insanity.

You know very well he won't be happy with the purchase.....


CM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Gag Me with a fork...... Bob, I've seen you rip prospective Mac buyers
and
| destroy current Mac owners on this group for years. You were much worse in
| your attacks than anyone here to date!
|
| I've spoken to Jim off-group and he made his decision on the Mac based on
his
| specific requirements. He appears to understand what the limits are and
| certainly knows he'll lose out when he sells. It's his money. The rest was
just
| a world class beating that he administered to all of you. The hooks were
well
| baited and you gorged yourselves, especially Ganz, who really got
played..Do
| you expect me to do the same thing?
| Nope.
|
| RB

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Bobsprit wrote:

... He appears to understand what the limits are ...

Yup, 100 miles offshore, and winds no more than 70 knots.


... The rest was just a world class beating that he administered
to all of you.

The difference between good trolling and bad trolling is that one is
invisibile and the other is transparent. Jimmyjim's efforts were
embarrassingly obvious - he was called as a troll by almost everyone that
bothered to post.


Wish me luck for tomorrow's race, Bob - it's the last of the Easter Series.
We can't win the series, but we have a fair chance of nabbing second place.


--
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felton wrote:
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:58:22 -0500, Jim Cate wrote:



felton wrote:



I'm not sure who originated this, but it strikes a chord of
truthfulness with me. In fairness to Jim, though, if my dominant
criteria for selecting a boat were the ability to motor swiftly in
water less than 2' deep, well...I guess I would be depressed, but I
still wouldn't pick a Mac. He should have just gone ahead and bought
a pontoon motor boat with a grill on the back.


You have it bass-ass backwards. The Mac 26M has the ability to quickly
motor out to the best sailing waters. The motor is a means of getting
better sailing in an afternoon,or a weekend, rather than a week.

Jim


You are obviously unconcerned with the poor sailing characteristics,
the "build quality" and the aesthetics of the boat. You seem
entranced by the "advantages" of the Mac 26MX, as you perceive them.
Suffice it to say that the vast majority of sailors, as evidenced by
this newsgroup, don't share your priorities. A sailor would rather
sail than motor. There is nothing quite like sailing a well tuned
boat to weather with the helm balanced and the sails well trimmed.
That is something that can't be experienced on a Mac 26MX. If you are
in a hurry to get somewhere, then sailing is probably a poor choice of
transportation. If you want to "sail", then a Mac 26MX is a poor
choice of a boat.

I didn't choose the Mac 26M because I prefer motoring over sailing. And,
from 25 years of sailing experience on many types of boats, I think that
I have an understanding of the pleasure of sailing a well-balanced boat
having good pointing ability. - That's why I chose the Mac 26M.

Regarding the fact that "People around here don't share my views," none
of the "People around here" have sailed the 26M, and few have even
spoken with anyone who has.

The "uninformed" sailors are, therefore, the "People around here."

Jim

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Bobsprit wrote:

I'll show Joe the purchase order for my boat verifying that I

placed the order on March 25. - We should be able to schedule this event
sometime in May.


Jim, good luck with the 26M. I hope it works out for you and meets and even
exceeds your expectations. While some people here continue to troll, others
will be interested to hear how such an odd vessel performs from an actual
owner.

RB

Bob,

I'm assuming that Joe is going to show up as promised, and that he will
be able to take some convincing pictures of the Mac 26M under sail. If
even this isn't sufficient, I'm not sure what form of "evidence" would
ever be enough to satisfy Johnathan, Scott, et al.

Jim

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Jim Cate wrote:
The "older" Mac to which you refer had a dagger board keel instead of
the wider, swing keel of the Mac 26x.

Wrong.

The older Mac 26 was built in a variety of models, some of which had
daggerboards, some of which had minimally ballasted centerboards. None
had "swing keels" nor did the Mac 26X.

There was an earlier yet boat called the Mac 25 which *did* have a swing
keel and a very similar hull to the old water ballast M26.

You don't know what you're talking about. Go hang out on one of the Mac
discussion lists and learn.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message

| I'm assuming that Joe is going to show up as promised, and that he will
| be able to take some convincing pictures of the Mac 26M under sail. If
| even this isn't sufficient, I'm not sure what form of "evidence" would
| ever be enough to satisfy Johnathan, Scott, et al.

Evidence!!!?????

Aw fer gawd's sake... it's a boat ain't it? We've all seen Macs sailing...
pounding to weather in a 10 knot breeze.... helplessly drifting into a
lee shore, unable to claw off with a 15 knot wind on the beam....
accidental gybing, repeatedly on a gentle run.

But my all time favourite is that image burned into my retinas of what
appears to be a boat sinking stern first as it try's in futility to climb
out of the hole in a desperate attempt get on plane.....
Bwahahahahahahahahaaa a 50 HP kicker can't push that pig out of a hole!...
what chance does the wind have?

No hard feelings Jim...... the boat is a bad choice all around. That's all
there is to it!


CM

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"Flying Tadpole" wrote:

Alas for human
frailty--I've found the newsgroup's cruel and harsh view of Macs
to be borne out in local practice.

You *are* one sweet talkin' man!

Seahag

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"Scott Vernon" wrote:
One thing that's really neat about a Bolger boat, you can make your own
half-hull model by simply cutting a shoe box in half and gluing it to a
wall with squirty cheese.

Scotty

Ignore the troll
 

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
I have an understanding of the pleasure of sailing a well-balanced boat
having good pointing ability. - That's why I chose the Mac 26M.


The "uninformed" sailors are, therefore, the "People around here."

Jim

One thing for sure, we're informed enough to know a troll when we see one.
You would have to be extremely uninformed to not notice, I'm sure you've
heard this before, subtlety isn't your strong suit. Plonk. For the last
time.
John Cairns

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"felton" wrote:

"The most dangerous words in sailing are a lot of boat for the
money.":)
I'm not sure who originated this, but it strikes a chord of
truthfulness with me.

Ummmm, brokers??????

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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:00:02 -0500, Jim Cate wrote:



felton wrote:
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:58:22 -0500, Jim Cate wrote:



felton wrote:



I'm not sure who originated this, but it strikes a chord of
truthfulness with me. In fairness to Jim, though, if my dominant
criteria for selecting a boat were the ability to motor swiftly in
water less than 2' deep, well...I guess I would be depressed, but I
still wouldn't pick a Mac. He should have just gone ahead and bought
a pontoon motor boat with a grill on the back.


You have it bass-ass backwards. The Mac 26M has the ability to quickly
motor out to the best sailing waters. The motor is a means of getting
better sailing in an afternoon,or a weekend, rather than a week.

Jim


You are obviously unconcerned with the poor sailing characteristics,
the "build quality" and the aesthetics of the boat. You seem
entranced by the "advantages" of the Mac 26MX, as you perceive them.
Suffice it to say that the vast majority of sailors, as evidenced by
this newsgroup, don't share your priorities. A sailor would rather
sail than motor. There is nothing quite like sailing a well tuned
boat to weather with the helm balanced and the sails well trimmed.
That is something that can't be experienced on a Mac 26MX. If you are
in a hurry to get somewhere, then sailing is probably a poor choice of
transportation. If you want to "sail", then a Mac 26MX is a poor
choice of a boat.

I didn't choose the Mac 26M because I prefer motoring over sailing. And,
from 25 years of sailing experience on many types of boats, I think that
I have an understanding of the pleasure of sailing a well-balanced boat
having good pointing ability. - That's why I chose the Mac 26M.

Regarding the fact that "People around here don't share my views," none
of the "People around here" have sailed the 26M, and few have even
spoken with anyone who has.

The "uninformed" sailors are, therefore, the "People around here."

Jim

I don't believe you have sailed one either. Have you sailed the 26X?
Why don't you save your defense of the Mac until you have sailed one.

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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:35:17 -0400, "Seahag"
wrote:


"felton" wrote:

"The most dangerous words in sailing are a lot of boat for the
money.":)
I'm not sure who originated this, but it strikes a chord of
truthfulness with me.

Ummmm, brokers??????

Almost anything a broker says is likely to be dangerous:) Almost
anything a Mac dealer says is likely to be humorous:)

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Seahag wrote:

"Scott Vernon" wrote:
One thing that's really neat about a Bolger boat, you can make your own
half-hull model by simply cutting a shoe box in half and gluing it to a
wall with squirty cheese.


Truly a way of handling a model that's pregnant with
possibilities...
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Seahag wrote:

"Flying Tadpole" wrote:

You *are* one sweet talkin' man!


Ah, but it was Gilligan who was the master anaesthetist!

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felton wrote:

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:35:17 -0400, "Seahag"
wrote:


"felton" wrote:

"The most dangerous words in sailing are a lot of boat for the
money.":)
I'm not sure who originated this, but it strikes a chord of
truthfulness with me.

Ummmm, brokers??????

Almost anything a broker says is likely to be dangerous:) Almost
anything a Mac dealer says is likely to be humorous:)

And almost anything a Mac buyer says is likely to be...?

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Oh my! You owe me a keyboard, Taddy!

LP


"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...
Ah well, we can't _all_be hobbits, you know...

Navigator wrote:

I'm not a compromise -I'm not Australian.

Cheers

Flying Tadpole wrote:


Navigator wrote:

It's alright Taddy, you don't need to justify your choice of boat. I
uderstand the compromises you live with.



Indeed, you're one of them.


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"Seahag" wrote:

"Flying Tadpole" wrote:

Alas for human
frailty--I've found the newsgroup's cruel and harsh view of Macs
to be borne out in local practice.

You *are* one sweet talkin' man!

Yes, he is! I'll second that...

LP :-)

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So what you're saying is that you're a liar and a cheat. You already
have negative feedback on ebay, which proves the latter claim. Oh
yeah, you're going bald and are almost as ugly as MacBoy's Mac.
Therefore, YOU WIN!

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Gag Me with a fork...... Bob, I've seen you rip prospective Mac buyers
and
destroy current Mac owners on this group for years. You were much worse in
your attacks than anyone here to date!

I've spoken to Jim off-group and he made his decision on the Mac based on
his
specific requirements. He appears to understand what the limits are and
certainly knows he'll lose out when he sells. It's his money. The rest was
just
a world class beating that he administered to all of you. The hooks were
well
baited and you gorged yourselves, especially Ganz, who really got
played..Do
you expect me to do the same thing?
Nope.

RB

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Horass

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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
A beating he gave us? A what prize did he win?



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Gag Me with a fork...... Bob, I've seen you rip prospective Mac buyers
and
destroy current Mac owners on this group for years. You were much worse
in
your attacks than anyone here to date!

I've spoken to Jim off-group and he made his decision on the Mac based
on his
specific requirements. He appears to understand what the limits are and
certainly knows he'll lose out when he sells. It's his money. The rest
was
just
a world class beating that he administered to all of you. The hooks were
well
baited and you gorged yourselves, especially Ganz, who really got
played..Do
you expect me to do the same thing?
Nope.

RB

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The LIAR AND THIEF RETURNS. you win alright.

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I'll show Joe the purchase order for my boat verifying that I
placed the order on March 25. - We should be able to schedule this event
sometime in May.

Jim, good luck with the 26M. I hope it works out for you and meets and
even
exceeds your expectations. While some people here continue to troll,
others
will be interested to hear how such an odd vessel performs from an actual
owner.

RB

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You know what proof. You don't have it. You are no sailor. You're
also beyond stupid to listen to or communicate with boober.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Bobsprit wrote:

I'll show Joe the purchase order for my boat verifying that I

placed the order on March 25. - We should be able to schedule this event
sometime in May.


Jim, good luck with the 26M. I hope it works out for you and meets and
even
exceeds your expectations. While some people here continue to troll,
others
will be interested to hear how such an odd vessel performs from an
actual
owner.

RB

Bob,

I'm assuming that Joe is going to show up as promised, and that he will
be able to take some convincing pictures of the Mac 26M under sail. If
even this isn't sufficient, I'm not sure what form of "evidence" would
ever be enough to satisfy Johnathan, Scott, et al.

Jim

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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
A beating he gave us? A what prize did he win?

The booby prize......a mac26Mx, and bobs' love.

SV

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I'll look for a faux
plastic trophy for Bobsprit to add to his collection.

Taddy, I no longer have to troll. I can post serious boat related stuff or just
about anything and the response will be the same. The dogs are old and new
tricks are beyond them. Of course not all of them, but Ganz, Scotty, Loco,
Steve and Doug are broken records at this point.
As for Jim, he posted several good points, which no one here could argue with
anything but pure disdain. The FACT is that some people buy and love the 26X or
M, just like some people buy and love a Jet Ski.

RB

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... He appears to understand what the limits are ...

Yup, 100 miles offshore, and winds no more than 70 knots.

Wally, did you actually read the guys posts? He's not going 100 miles offshore.
Even a Mac can handle a squall.

RB

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The difference between good trolling and bad trolling is that one is
invisibile and the other is transparent. Jimmyjim's efforts were
embarrassingly obvious

Obvious or not, he had nearly everyone at his feet. A fool who is followed is
never the biggest fool. Sorry.

RB

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Wish me luck for tomorrow's race, Bob - it's the last of the Easter Series.
We can't win the series, but we have a fair chance of nabbing second place.

Good luck! I'd like to see more pics of your boat as you work on her.

RB

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Nonetheless... if you were a real friend... you would have talked him out of
this insanity.

You know very well he won't be happy with the purchase.....

Mooron, here is what I wrote to him:

Jim, I don't know if you're a troll or not, but I did recently speak to a
couple who sailed the new boat in Florida a few weeks ago. They mostly sailed
her and found her to be pretty bad, with poor upwind ability and a very cheap
feel. Under power, she did not get up on a plane until they (4 people total)
balanced their weight better. I assumed there was some chop. They were looking
to buy, but found the sailing performance less than thrilling. They've been
mostly renting small sailboats and taking courses in California. They had not
sailed the 26X, so this was just a stand-alone test of the M model.
I've been aboard the new version, but did not sail her. I can confirm that
she's very lightly built and lacking in comfort below, compared to the average
Catalina 27. There's a reason for all of the Mac bashing. While she might fit
someone's needs, her performance is so poor as to have earned her a general
disdain. The build quality, still pretty much the same, is also not highly
valued. Speak to a few surveyors.
I would not put my family on one, certainly not on anything more than VERY
protected waters, such as a small lake. I currently work as a broker part time
and have learned a lot about the market. I recently declined two Macs because
no brand has a faster loss ratio and owners are pretty shocked by it. They can
sell for as little as HALF after just a few years. Amazing.
If you've actually bought a Mac, I wish you the best of luck with her.
Otherwise you might care to rethink the decision. While the Asa group can be
pretty nasty, the well of info is generally on target.
There are some boats with bad reps. US Yachts, Mac, Hunter, tanzer, Siedleman
and so on. There's a reason for it. As Katy said; "It's your money."
Best of luck,

Robert B
C&C 32, Alien
NY

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Bobsprit wrote:

Yup, 100 miles offshore, and winds no more than 70 knots.

Wally, did you actually read the guys posts? He's not going 100 miles
offshore.

True, he later reduced it to 75,


Even a Mac can handle a squall.

So can a Topaz dinghy - but it fell over three times in quick succession and
sent the crew swimming.


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Bobsprit wrote:
Wish me luck for tomorrow's race, Bob - it's the last of the Easter
Series. We can't win the series, but we have a fair chance of nabbing
second place.

Good luck! I'd like to see more pics of your boat as you work on her.

The race isn't on my boat, btw - it's on a Sonata that I'm crewing on. I'll
be doing some more pics of mine sometime soonish.


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Wally, did you actually read the guys posts? He's not going 100 miles
offshore.

True, he later reduced it to 75,

He probably won't do that either, Wally. Most of what he spoke of concerned
taking the boat into shallow waters so his kids could swim and play. The Mac
should work well in this regard.

RB

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Even a Mac can handle a squall.

So can a Topaz dinghy - but it fell over three times in quick succession and
sent the crew swimming.


With her tanks full, the Mac should be able to deal with most sudden weather
troubles. He probably should not venture out too far unless he has a reliable
weather window. I see nothing in Jim's comments about the Mac that is cause for
alarm. No one here has sailed the new Mac. He should have test sailed it before
buying.

RB

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Yes, bob, we know your theory. The streaker is not the fool, its the people
that laugh at him.



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
The difference between good trolling and bad trolling is that one is
invisibile and the other is transparent. Jimmyjim's efforts were
embarrassingly obvious

Obvious or not, he had nearly everyone at his feet. A fool who is followed is
never the biggest fool. Sorry.

RB

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Bobsprit wrote:

True, he later reduced it to 75,

He probably won't do that either, Wally.

I'm glad you agree that these claims of his were blatant trolls (as they
were called at the time).


Most of what he spoke of
concerned taking the boat into shallow waters so his kids could swim
and play.

I think it was grandkids. It sounds as though he's looking for 'convenience
sailing', if I can put it like that.


The Mac should work well in this regard.

I wouldn't know - I've never even seen one in the flesh, let alone sailed on
one. From what I've read, it seems that proper use of the ballast tank is
critical to safety.


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Bobsprit wrote:

With her tanks full, the Mac should be able to deal with most sudden
weather troubles. He probably should not venture out too far unless
he has a reliable weather window. I see nothing in Jim's comments
about the Mac that is cause for alarm. No one here has sailed the new
Mac.

How about his expectation that he can motor away from incoming heavy weather
at lots of knots when the boat has the usual complement of sails, spars,
people, and gear? He seems to think he can make 'book speed', when that
speed is quoted for an unloaded and stripped-down boat. I gather the reality
is that he'll make little more than a decent sailboat (10kt or so?) and
that's keeping everyone below or in the cockpit.


... He should have test sailed it before buying.

Agreed. To shell out ~30k on what amounts to an on-paper spec is a little
hasty. If he's sailed the other boats that he's mentioned, he may well be
disappointed in the performance of the Mac.


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Flying Tadpole wrote:
Truly a way of handling a model that's pregnant with
possibilities...

Only because of your fertile imagination

DSK

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Bobsprit wrote:

Taddy, I no longer have to troll. I can post serious boat related stuff or just
about anything and the response will be the same. The dogs are old and new
tricks are beyond them. Of course not all of them, but Ganz, Scotty, Loco,
Steve and Doug are broken records at this point.
As for Jim, he posted several good points, which no one here could argue with
anything but pure disdain. The FACT is that some people buy and love the 26X or
M, just like some people buy and love a Jet Ski.


Oh Bobsprit, so serious and leaden! Where has the joie-de-vie
gone? What has happened to the once all-encompassing mass
troller? No wonder we're all left fighting over Jim the Deafer's
berley bucket. Our very own Bobsprit, become but a mere dealer in
FACTS! Oh the mundanity...

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DSK wrote:

Flying Tadpole wrote:
Truly a way of handling a model that's pregnant with
possibilities...

Only because of your fertile imagination

DSK

Oi! It's not me who keeps offering the newsgroup squirty cheese
as a means for improving their standing!
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Flying Tadpole wrote:
Oi! It's not me who keeps offering the newsgroup squirty cheese
as a means for improving their standing!

No no, you've got it wrong... squirty cheese is supposed improve one's
*sitting*.

DSK

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DSK wrote:

Flying Tadpole wrote:
Oi! It's not me who keeps offering the newsgroup squirty cheese
as a means for improving their standing!

No no, you've got it wrong... squirty cheese is supposed improve one's
*sitting*.

DSK

NOW someone tells me...should I sue, do you think?
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Good Job Bob...... your advise generally reflects everything that everyone
on this group has tried in vain to advise Jim regarding the Mac purchase. I
guess there is no other choice but to let the poor fellow proceed down the
river without a paddle.

CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Nonetheless... if you were a real friend... you would have talked him out
of
| this insanity.
|
| You know very well he won't be happy with the purchase.....
|
| Mooron, here is what I wrote to him:
|
| Jim, I don't know if you're a troll or not, but I did recently speak to a
| couple who sailed the new boat in Florida a few weeks ago. They mostly
sailed
| her and found her to be pretty bad, with poor upwind ability and a very
cheap
| feel. Under power, she did not get up on a plane until they (4 people
total)
| balanced their weight better. I assumed there was some chop. They were
looking
| to buy, but found the sailing performance less than thrilling. They've
been
| mostly renting small sailboats and taking courses in California. They had
not
| sailed the 26X, so this was just a stand-alone test of the M model.
| I've been aboard the new version, but did not sail her. I can confirm that
| she's very lightly built and lacking in comfort below, compared to the
average
| Catalina 27. There's a reason for all of the Mac bashing. While she might
fit
| someone's needs, her performance is so poor as to have earned her a
general
| disdain. The build quality, still pretty much the same, is also not highly
| valued. Speak to a few surveyors.
| I would not put my family on one, certainly not on anything more than VERY
| protected waters, such as a small lake. I currently work as a broker part
time
| and have learned a lot about the market. I recently declined two Macs
because
| no brand has a faster loss ratio and owners are pretty shocked by it. They
can
| sell for as little as HALF after just a few years. Amazing.
| If you've actually bought a Mac, I wish you the best of luck with her.
| Otherwise you might care to rethink the decision. While the Asa group can
be
| pretty nasty, the well of info is generally on target.
| There are some boats with bad reps. US Yachts, Mac, Hunter, tanzer,
Siedleman
| and so on. There's a reason for it. As Katy said; "It's your money."
| Best of luck,
|
| Robert B
| C&C 32, Alien
| NY