dripless packing glands
 

So I ordered a dripless packing unit from PYI inc. in Seattle, and
they shipped the wrong size (I ordered 1" shaft, 2" shaft tube, they
sent 1 1/8" x 1 3/4). Then somebody tells me that I really didn't
want dripless at all because when they fail, you sink.
Anybody know anything from rumour or personal experience about these
things?
It's a major hassle tightening the packing on my boat- very hard to
reach unless you're that comic book guy from the Fantastic Four with
the really long arms...
Mike

dripless packing glands
 

My wife's glands, when packed, definitely drip.

RB


"mike" wrote in message
om...
So I ordered a dripless packing unit from PYI inc. in Seattle, and
they shipped the wrong size (I ordered 1" shaft, 2" shaft tube, they
sent 1 1/8" x 1 3/4). Then somebody tells me that I really didn't
want dripless at all because when they fail, you sink.
Anybody know anything from rumour or personal experience about these
things?
It's a major hassle tightening the packing on my boat- very hard to
reach unless you're that comic book guy from the Fantastic Four with
the really long arms...
Mike

dripless packing glands
 

That's what I heard, something about sand or crud getting in between the
sealing area. I was considering one, but my packing is very easy to get to
and adjust.

Scotty


"mike" wrote in message
om...
So I ordered a dripless packing unit from PYI inc. in Seattle, and
they shipped the wrong size (I ordered 1" shaft, 2" shaft tube, they
sent 1 1/8" x 1 3/4). Then somebody tells me that I really didn't
want dripless at all because when they fail, you sink.
Anybody know anything from rumour or personal experience about these
things?
It's a major hassle tightening the packing on my boat- very hard to
reach unless you're that comic book guy from the Fantastic Four with
the really long arms...
Mike

dripless packing glands
 

"mike" wrote in message
om...
So I ordered a dripless packing unit from PYI inc. in Seattle, and
they shipped the wrong size (I ordered 1" shaft, 2" shaft tube, they
sent 1 1/8" x 1 3/4). Then somebody tells me that I really didn't
want dripless at all because when they fail, you sink.
Anybody know anything from rumour or personal experience about these
things?
It's a major hassle tightening the packing on my boat- very hard to
reach unless you're that comic book guy from the Fantastic Four with
the really long arms...
Mike

I thought about getting one a while back, $$$$$$ plus the original packing
on my boat lasted 9 seasons until I had to change it. You should only have
to tighten the gland once a season, the "dripless" packing glands have
annual start up "burping" procedure also IIRC, if this is true it puts you
essentially in the same position you were before :)
John Cairns

dripless packing glands
 

and shouldn't Barb be doing that stuff?

Scotty


"John Cairns" wrote in message
...
"mike" wrote in message
om...
So I ordered a dripless packing unit from PYI inc. in Seattle, and
they shipped the wrong size (I ordered 1" shaft, 2" shaft tube, they
sent 1 1/8" x 1 3/4). Then somebody tells me that I really didn't
want dripless at all because when they fail, you sink.
Anybody know anything from rumour or personal experience about these
things?
It's a major hassle tightening the packing on my boat- very hard to
reach unless you're that comic book guy from the Fantastic Four with
the really long arms...
Mike

I thought about getting one a while back, $$$$$$ plus the original packing
on my boat lasted 9 seasons until I had to change it. You should only have
to tighten the gland once a season, the "dripless" packing glands have
annual start up "burping" procedure also IIRC, if this is true it puts you
essentially in the same position you were before :)
John Cairns

dripless packing glands
 

Noooooo! It'll muss up my manicure.

Lady B.



"Scott Vernon" wrote:
and shouldn't Barb be doing that stuff?

Scotty

dripless packing glands
 

Barb screamed:
Noooooo! It'll muss up my manicure.

For shame.....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

dripless packing glands
 

mike wrote:
So I ordered a dripless packing unit from PYI inc. in Seattle, and
they shipped the wrong size (I ordered 1" shaft, 2" shaft tube, they
sent 1 1/8" x 1 3/4). Then somebody tells me that I really didn't
want dripless at all because when they fail, you sink.
Anybody know anything from rumour or personal experience about these
things?

I've never known a boat to sink, but I've never known one of these
things to remain dripless for more than a year or so. They also overheat
occasionally and are generally a PITA. Nowhere near worth the money IMHO

It's a major hassle tightening the packing on my boat- very hard to
reach unless you're that comic book guy from the Fantastic Four with
the really long arms...

Cut a new hatch or something. Access to the packing gland is very basic.
Difficult access is very poor design. Ever wonder what else they messed
up on your boat?

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

dripless packing glands
 

On 15 Apr 2004 18:11:20 -0700, (mike) wrote:

So I ordered a dripless packing unit from PYI inc. in Seattle, and
they shipped the wrong size (I ordered 1" shaft, 2" shaft tube, they
sent 1 1/8" x 1 3/4). Then somebody tells me that I really didn't
want dripless at all because when they fail, you sink.
Anybody know anything from rumour or personal experience about these
things?
It's a major hassle tightening the packing on my boat- very hard to
reach unless you're that comic book guy from the Fantastic Four with
the really long arms...
Mike

There seems to be a fair amount of hysteria about the risks of
"catastrophic failure" with these things. I have had three of them on
three different boats and I love them. I think it is helpful to see
what the builders of better boats are doing. I believe many/most are
building their boats with the dripless shaft seals.

I discussed this with one of the Worstells, who build Valiant as to
their approach to the dripless shaft seals, which they install on the
Valiants. He told me that he couldn't foresee any reason why the PYI
would be any more prone to failure that a traditional stuffing box.
He went on to say that over the years, he had seen more damage to
sailboats from water in the boat than any other single cause. Leaks,
stuffing boaxes, that sort of thing. In other words, keep your boat
dry. It makes sense to me.

I am not aware of builders of quality boats shying away from them out
of any safety concerns. That should tell you something.

dripless packing glands
 

"katysails" wrote in message ...
Barb screamed:
Noooooo! It'll muss up my manicure.

For shame.....

Don't believe her, Katy. She's just usually too tired after she's
finished scrubbing barnicles off the prop and changing the oil...

dripless packing glands
 

"John Cairns" wrote in message ...
"mike" wrote in message
om...
So I ordered a dripless packing unit from PYI inc. in Seattle, and
they shipped the wrong size (I ordered 1" shaft, 2" shaft tube, they
sent 1 1/8" x 1 3/4). Then somebody tells me that I really didn't
want dripless at all because when they fail, you sink.
Anybody know anything from rumour or personal experience about these
things?
It's a major hassle tightening the packing on my boat- very hard to
reach unless you're that comic book guy from the Fantastic Four with
the really long arms...
Mike

I thought about getting one a while back, $$$$$$ plus the original packing
on my boat lasted 9 seasons until I had to change it. You should only have
to tighten the gland once a season, the "dripless" packing glands have
annual start up "burping" procedure also IIRC, if this is true it puts you
essentially in the same position you were before :)

Yeah, I've heard about that "burping" deal too. I guess PYI now sells
only the "high speed" models with the water hookup line to prevent
those problems.
I had a jury-rigged universal joint in my driveline because the 20+
year old Aquadrive had failed when the previous owners came to Mexico
a couple of years ago. The local mechanic did a "Mexican Repair" that
has actually held together fine for lots of motoring miles up the
coast of Mexico and back down. The only problem was some vibration
because the U-joint only bent in two directions whereas the Aquadrive
CV type joint moves in all directions- even front to back.
So, the poor little packing gland got really worked, and needed
tightening often.
Now, a "boat unit" + later, I have (as of an hour ago) replaced the
u-joint with a brand new Aquadrive, and man, is it running smoother in
gear! I'm sure the old stuffing box will stay tighter now.
It's too bad I didn't have the correct packing gland here to do that
at the same time- I still plan to do it- since the shaft coupling was
off and it would have saved some work. Oh well.
PYI wqas really good when informed of their screw-up, though, and is
shipping the correct one down for no charge. I guess the next time I
haul out I'll take care of it.
Mike

John Cairns

dripless packing glands
 

"mike" wrote
Now, a "boat unit" + later, I have (as of an hour ago) replaced the
u-joint with a brand new Aquadrive, and man, is it running smoother in
gear! I'm sure the old stuffing box will stay tighter now.
It's too bad I didn't have the correct packing gland here to do that
at the same time- I still plan to do it- since the shaft coupling was
off and it would have saved some work. Oh well.
PYI wqas really good when informed of their screw-up, though, and is
shipping the correct one down for no charge. I guess the next time I
haul out I'll take care of it.
Mike

You could do it while in the water, if you're fast enough.
Scotty

dripless packing glands
 

"mike" wrote
... I guess the next time I
haul out I'll take care of it.


Scott Vernon wrote:
You could do it while in the water, if you're fast enough.

Indeed you can. I changed the fuel valves at the connections on the
bottom of our tanks earlier this year, and spilled about 3 teaspoons of
fuel. Of course, you also have to prepare the job properly before hand.
When you are holding back 175 gallons of diesel with your thumb is not a
time to realize you don't have the right wrench on the boat.

FB
DSK

dripless packing glands
 

Snagged a branch one time in the truck, cross-over line pulled and broke the
fitting on the left side tank (120 Gal.) jumped out and stuck my finger in,
had to lay there and wait till someone stopped. He got a plug out of my
toolbox for me.

SV


"DSK" wrote
When you are holding back 175 gallons of diesel with your thumb is not a
time to realize you don't have the right wrench on the boat.

dripless packing glands
 

Dou you have Dutch ancestors perchance?

Cheers

Scott Vernon wrote:

Snagged a branch one time in the truck, cross-over line pulled and broke the
fitting on the left side tank (120 Gal.) jumped out and stuck my finger in,
had to lay there and wait till someone stopped. He got a plug out of my
toolbox for me.

SV

dripless packing glands
 

Did you put something like a vacuum cleaner on the tank so it sucked air in?

Cheers

DSK wrote:

"mike" wrote

... I guess the next time I
haul out I'll take care of it.



Scott Vernon wrote:
You could do it while in the water, if you're fast enough.


Indeed you can. I changed the fuel valves at the connections on the
bottom of our tanks earlier this year, and spilled about 3 teaspoons of
fuel. Of course, you also have to prepare the job properly before hand.
When you are holding back 175 gallons of diesel with your thumb is not a
time to realize you don't have the right wrench on the boat.

FB
DSK

dripless packing glands
 

Yes, Pennsylvania Dutch.


"Navigator" wrote in message
...
Dou you have Dutch ancestors perchance?

Cheers

Scott Vernon wrote:

Snagged a branch one time in the truck, cross-over line pulled and broke
the
fitting on the left side tank (120 Gal.) jumped out and stuck my finger
in,
had to lay there and wait till someone stopped. He got a plug out of my
toolbox for me.

SV

dripless packing glands
 

Aha! I knew it!

Cheers

Scott Vernon wrote:

Yes, Pennsylvania Dutch.


"Navigator" wrote in message
...

Dou you have Dutch ancestors perchance?

Cheers

Scott Vernon wrote:


Snagged a branch one time in the truck, cross-over line pulled and broke

the

fitting on the left side tank (120 Gal.) jumped out and stuck my finger

in,

had to lay there and wait till someone stopped. He got a plug out of my
toolbox for me.

SV

dripless packing glands
 

They make a fantastic Rhubarb Pie!

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| Yes, Pennsylvania Dutch.
|
|
| "Navigator" wrote in message
| ...
| Dou you have Dutch ancestors perchance?
|
| Cheers
|
| Scott Vernon wrote:
|
| Snagged a branch one time in the truck, cross-over line pulled and
broke
| the
| fitting on the left side tank (120 Gal.) jumped out and stuck my
finger
| in,
| had to lay there and wait till someone stopped. He got a plug out of
my
| toolbox for me.
|
| SV
|
|
|

dripless packing glands
 

That's illegal.

Cheers

Capt. Mooron wrote:

They make a fantastic Rhubarb Pie!

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| Yes, Pennsylvania Dutch.
|
|
| "Navigator" wrote in message
| ...
| Dou you have Dutch ancestors perchance?
|
| Cheers
|
| Scott Vernon wrote:
|
| Snagged a branch one time in the truck, cross-over line pulled and
broke
| the
| fitting on the left side tank (120 Gal.) jumped out and stuck my
finger
| in,
| had to lay there and wait till someone stopped. He got a plug out of
my
| toolbox for me.
|
| SV
|
|
|

dripless packing glands
 

Not in Pennsylvania Dutch country it isn't....

CM

"Navigator" wrote in message
...
| That's illegal.
|
| Cheers
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
| They make a fantastic Rhubarb Pie!
|
| CM
|
| "Scott Vernon" wrote in message
| ...
| | Yes, Pennsylvania Dutch.
| |
| |
| | "Navigator" wrote in message
| | ...
| | Dou you have Dutch ancestors perchance?
| |
| | Cheers
| |
| | Scott Vernon wrote:
| |
| | Snagged a branch one time in the truck, cross-over line pulled and
| broke
| | the
| | fitting on the left side tank (120 Gal.) jumped out and stuck my
| finger
| | in,
| | had to lay there and wait till someone stopped. He got a plug out
of
| my
| | toolbox for me.
| |
| | SV
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|

dripless packing glands
 

Navigator wrote:
Did you put something like a vacuum cleaner on the tank so it sucked air
in?

Nope, didn't need to. Besides, as discussed on "Car Talk" that is a
stupid idea unless you have a vacuum cleaner that is wired for a
flammable atmosphere... maybe the Air Force could sell you one, surplus...

DSK

dripless packing glands
 

I bet it is. But Sweeny Todd used the whole lot not just the fat.

Cheers

Cheers

Capt. Mooron wrote:
Not in Pennsylvania Dutch country it isn't....

CM

"Navigator" wrote in message
...
| That's illegal.
|
| Cheers
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
| They make a fantastic Rhubarb Pie!
|
| CM
|
| "Scott Vernon" wrote in message
| ...
| | Yes, Pennsylvania Dutch.
| |
| |
| | "Navigator" wrote in message
| | ...
| | Dou you have Dutch ancestors perchance?
| |
| | Cheers
| |
| | Scott Vernon wrote:
| |
| | Snagged a branch one time in the truck, cross-over line pulled and
| broke
| | the
| | fitting on the left side tank (120 Gal.) jumped out and stuck my
| finger
| | in,
| | had to lay there and wait till someone stopped. He got a plug out
of
| my
| | toolbox for me.
| |
| | SV
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|

dripless packing glands
 

You run your diesel on petrol?

Cheers

DSK wrote:

Navigator wrote:

Did you put something like a vacuum cleaner on the tank so it sucked
air in?


Nope, didn't need to. Besides, as discussed on "Car Talk" that is a
stupid idea unless you have a vacuum cleaner that is wired for a
flammable atmosphere... maybe the Air Force could sell you one, surplus...

DSK

dripless packing glands
 

And tell me, Nav, what's wrong with the Dutch? I'm half Irish and half
Dutch. I would really like to know why the New Zealanders hate the Dutch.
Thanks in advance...

LP (mental note, send Capt. Mooron that map from 6 months ago, you will
laugh, believe me...)

"Navigator" wrote:
Dou you have Dutch ancestors perchance?

Cheers

Scott Vernon wrote:

Snagged a branch one time in the truck, cross-over line pulled and broke
the
fitting on the left side tank (120 Gal.) jumped out and stuck my finger
in,
had to lay there and wait till someone stopped. He got a plug out of my
toolbox for me.

SV

dripless packing glands
 

Hehehee! Talk about pushing buttons...(good one, Barbie)

Katy,

You will be glad to hear that every spring I cut off my extremely long
natural nails. I used to think is was because of planting all my flowers,
but to tell the truth, it was getting difficult not to cut off my long nails
when I was slicing limes for my Coronas... :-)

LP

"katysails" wrote:
Barb screamed:
Noooooo! It'll muss up my manicure.

For shame.....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

dripless packing glands
 

Shoofly pie is better.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
They make a fantastic Rhubarb Pie!

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| Yes, Pennsylvania Dutch.
|
|
| "Navigator" wrote in message
| ...
| Dou you have Dutch ancestors perchance?
|
| Cheers
|
| Scott Vernon wrote:
|
| Snagged a branch one time in the truck, cross-over line pulled and
broke
| the
| fitting on the left side tank (120 Gal.) jumped out and stuck my
finger
| in,
| had to lay there and wait till someone stopped. He got a plug out of
my
| toolbox for me.
|
| SV
|
|
|

dripless packing glands
 

Navigator wrote:
You run your diesel on petrol?

Are you under the impression tha diesel fuel does not produce flammable
vapor?

DSK

dripless packing glands
 

"Capt. Mooron" wrote
They make a fantastic Rhubarb Pie!



Scott Vernon wrote:
Shoofly pie is better.

Rhubarb pie can be pretty darn good... shoofly pie is nothing but sugar
& cream cooked up fancy in a pie crust. Although I will never turn down
a second piece of it, since anybody who makes shoofly pie is probably a
good old fashioned cook. I always thought that was a southern dish.

DSK

dripless packing glands
 

This has to be a troll.

Cheers MC

Lady Pilot wrote:

And tell me, Nav, what's wrong with the Dutch? I'm half Irish and half
Dutch. I would really like to know why the New Zealanders hate the Dutch.
Thanks in advance...

LP (mental note, send Capt. Mooron that map from 6 months ago, you will
laugh, believe me...)

"Navigator" wrote:

Dou you have Dutch ancestors perchance?

Cheers

Scott Vernon wrote:


Snagged a branch one time in the truck, cross-over line pulled and broke

the

fitting on the left side tank (120 Gal.) jumped out and stuck my finger

in,

had to lay there and wait till someone stopped. He got a plug out of my
toolbox for me.

SV

dripless packing glands
 

Was the car group discussing petrol?

Cheers

DSK wrote:

Navigator wrote:

You run your diesel on petrol?


Are you under the impression tha diesel fuel does not produce flammable
vapor?

DSK

dripless packing glands
 

Navigator wrote:
Was the car group discussing petrol?

Actually, no. They were discussing lubricating oil.

DSK

dripless packing glands
 

More Elvish than Troll me thinks......

CM

"Navigator" wrote in message
...
| This has to be a troll.
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Lady Pilot wrote:
|
| And tell me, Nav, what's wrong with the Dutch? I'm half Irish and half
| Dutch. I would really like to know why the New Zealanders hate the
Dutch.
| Thanks in advance...
|
| LP (mental note, send Capt. Mooron that map from 6 months ago, you will
| laugh, believe me...)
|
| "Navigator" wrote:
|
| Dou you have Dutch ancestors perchance?
|
| Cheers
|
| Scott Vernon wrote:
|
|
| Snagged a branch one time in the truck, cross-over line pulled and
broke
|
| the
|
| fitting on the left side tank (120 Gal.) jumped out and stuck my finger
|
| in,
|
| had to lay there and wait till someone stopped. He got a plug out of my
| toolbox for me.
|
| SV
|
|
|
|
|

dripless packing glands
 

Aha! A big explsion risk.

Cheers

DSK wrote:

Navigator wrote:

Was the car group discussing petrol?


Actually, no. They were discussing lubricating oil.

DSK

dripless packing glands
 

He's dead -I saw him!

Cheers

Capt. Mooron wrote:

More Elvish than Troll me thinks......

CM

"Navigator" wrote in message
...
| This has to be a troll.
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Lady Pilot wrote:
|
| And tell me, Nav, what's wrong with the Dutch? I'm half Irish and half
| Dutch. I would really like to know why the New Zealanders hate the
Dutch.
| Thanks in advance...
|
| LP (mental note, send Capt. Mooron that map from 6 months ago, you will
| laugh, believe me...)
|
| "Navigator" wrote:
|
| Dou you have Dutch ancestors perchance?
|
| Cheers
|
| Scott Vernon wrote:
|
|
| Snagged a branch one time in the truck, cross-over line pulled and
broke
|
| the
|
| fitting on the left side tank (120 Gal.) jumped out and stuck my finger
|
| in,
|
| had to lay there and wait till someone stopped. He got a plug out of my
| toolbox for me.
|
| SV
|
|
|
|
|

dripless packing glands
 

Navigator wrote:
Aha! A big explsion risk.

Try it and see.

DSK

dripless packing glands
 

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
More Elvish than Troll me thinks......

Thinking isn't your strong point.



Regards



Donal
--

dripless packing glands
 

"Donal" wrote in message
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| More Elvish than Troll me thinks......

| Thinking isn't your strong point.

Heh Man ... you Dissin' me!!??

Ya can't be talkin' ta me!?

You ain't da Boss 'o' Me!!!!

Shaddup!!

CM

dripless packing glands
 

You would be correct, Master...rofl!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LP

"Capt. Mooron" wrote:
More Elvish than Troll me thinks......

"Navigator" wrote:
| This has to be a troll.

dripless packing glands
 

"Donal" wrote:

"Capt. Mooron" wrote:
More Elvish than Troll me thinks......

Thinking isn't your strong point.

Donal!!!

What's up with you these days? Oh, that was a troll...carry on...

LP