Yup. Now MacBoy has an unbiased opinion of a Mac ower turned
Hunter owner, who is definitely moving in the right direction.
So now MacBoy can *immediately* go sailing out on the ocean in
40kts wind. We'll all be waiting for your return... NOT.

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"katysails" wrote in message
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There you go, Jim...you wanted an opinion from a user...you got it: I saw
a
new Mac at a boat show
recently, and I couldn't believe how they ruined it. The layout sucks and
the
materials just keep getting cheaper and cheaper. Everything seemed cheaper
on
it, more flimsy. And they still put it on a single axle trailer!

The Veridican

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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Yup. Now MacBoy has an unbiased opinion of a Mac ower turned
Hunter owner, who is definitely moving in the right direction.
So now MacBoy can *immediately* go sailing out on the ocean in
40kts wind. We'll all be waiting for your return... NOT.

I'm assuming that he was referring to the 26M model (the new boat?),
although it's not completely clear. As I understand the note, Ed didn't
actually sail the "new boat." So it's not really a very comprehensive
report, is it Johnathan?

By contrast, I happened to have had an extended discussion of the 26M
with an owner yesterday WHO HAD SAILED THE BOAT, under high wind and low
wind conditions. He was very pleased with its handling, and in contrast
with Ed, he thought the looks and interior of the boat were spectacular,
particularly for a boat in this price range. One thing I notice from
comments posted on the Mac discussion groups is that owners of the new
model like the new boat, whereas owners of the previous (26X) model
defend their own boats and pick fault with the new model, despite the
fact that few of them have ever sailed one. And since there are many
more owners of the 26X than owners of the 26M, the X owners are
predominate.

Jim

he thought the looks and interior of the boat were spectacular,

if you have been sleeping in the mud on the ground, sleep on cinder blocks with
canvass covering you if spectacular.

It is all relative.

an owner yesterday WHO HAD SAILED THE BOAT, under high wind and low
wind conditions

funny, but you seem to have neglected to mention what wind speed the owner felt
was "high" for the boat and which was "low". Most feel 18 knots wind is too
high for a mac and 9 knots is too low.

I think you missed a decimal point... 1.8 knots too high, 90 knots too low.

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"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
an owner yesterday WHO HAD SAILED THE BOAT, under high wind and low
wind conditions

funny, but you seem to have neglected to mention what wind speed the owner
felt
was "high" for the boat and which was "low". Most feel 18 knots wind is
too
high for a mac and 9 knots is too low.

WHO HAD SAILED THE BOAT

past tense, as in once he sailed the boat?

btw, how did you find a guy "WHO HAD SAILED THE BOAT"? Advertise all over the
net? Did you check his bonfides?

Wow. Someone who just spent $32,000 claim they like the boat? What a surprise!
People with actual experience with the company don't think its that much of an
improvement. They must all be jealous.

You have a wonderful ability to rationalize, Jim. I suppose it makes life easy.


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Yup. Now MacBoy has an unbiased opinion of a Mac ower turned
Hunter owner, who is definitely moving in the right direction.
So now MacBoy can *immediately* go sailing out on the ocean in
40kts wind. We'll all be waiting for your return... NOT.

I'm assuming that he was referring to the 26M model (the new boat?),
although it's not completely clear. As I understand the note, Ed didn't
actually sail the "new boat." So it's not really a very comprehensive
report, is it Johnathan?

By contrast, I happened to have had an extended discussion of the 26M
with an owner yesterday WHO HAD SAILED THE BOAT, under high wind and low
wind conditions. He was very pleased with its handling, and in contrast
with Ed, he thought the looks and interior of the boat were spectacular,
particularly for a boat in this price range. One thing I notice from
comments posted on the Mac discussion groups is that owners of the new
model like the new boat, whereas owners of the previous (26X) model
defend their own boats and pick fault with the new model, despite the
fact that few of them have ever sailed one. And since there are many
more owners of the 26X than owners of the 26M, the X owners are
predominate.

Jim

Jeff Morris wrote:

Wow. Someone who just spent $32,000 claim they like the boat? What a surprise!
People with actual experience with the company don't think its that much of an
improvement. They must all be jealous.



And, you are suggesting that I speak with someone who hasn't sailed the
boat? Since no one on this ng has sailed the 26M, their opinions should
be given more weight than someone who has sailed the boat? No??? Then
who WOULD you accept as a reliable source? (To help you along, how
about: "those who are willing to bash the Mac decisively must, by
definition, know what they are talking about, even if they have never
even been near one." Is that about the size of it, Jeff?

Jim














You have a wonderful ability to rationalize, Jim. I suppose it makes life easy.


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:


Yup. Now MacBoy has an unbiased opinion of a Mac ower turned
Hunter owner, who is definitely moving in the right direction.
So now MacBoy can *immediately* go sailing out on the ocean in
40kts wind. We'll all be waiting for your return... NOT.

I'm assuming that he was referring to the 26M model (the new boat?),
although it's not completely clear. As I understand the note, Ed didn't
actually sail the "new boat." So it's not really a very comprehensive
report, is it Johnathan?

By contrast, I happened to have had an extended discussion of the 26M
with an owner yesterday WHO HAD SAILED THE BOAT, under high wind and low
wind conditions. He was very pleased with its handling, and in contrast
with Ed, he thought the looks and interior of the boat were spectacular,
particularly for a boat in this price range. One thing I notice from
comments posted on the Mac discussion groups is that owners of the new
model like the new boat, whereas owners of the previous (26X) model
defend their own boats and pick fault with the new model, despite the
fact that few of them have ever sailed one. And since there are many
more owners of the 26X than owners of the 26M, the X owners are
predominate.

Jim

You could have sailed the boat yourself. I suppose the dealer told you that is
not possible now because he doesn't have a demonstrator.

Or, you could listen to what owners say. You can find dozens of comments that
the top speed under power in flat water to be 12-13 knots, and that it could be
hard to get on a plane in a moderate chop. Yet you keep insisting you can make
18 knots offshore.

I may not have sailed one, but I've sailed by them a number of times. In a
small chop they bob around and don't move. The people on board wonder why all
the other boats are going by; it doesn't look like fun at all.

I have no trouble with someone choosing a Mac because they want to trailer it to
flat water lakes. That's what its designed for. But not for taking it
offshore.


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jeff Morris wrote:

Wow. Someone who just spent $32,000 claim they like the boat? What a
surprise!
People with actual experience with the company don't think its that much of
an
improvement. They must all be jealous.



And, you are suggesting that I speak with someone who hasn't sailed the
boat? Since no one on this ng has sailed the 26M, their opinions should
be given more weight than someone who has sailed the boat? No??? Then
who WOULD you accept as a reliable source? (To help you along, how
about: "those who are willing to bash the Mac decisively must, by
definition, know what they are talking about, even if they have never
even been near one." Is that about the size of it, Jeff?

Jim














You have a wonderful ability to rationalize, Jim. I suppose it makes life
easy.


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:


Yup. Now MacBoy has an unbiased opinion of a Mac ower turned
Hunter owner, who is definitely moving in the right direction.
So now MacBoy can *immediately* go sailing out on the ocean in
40kts wind. We'll all be waiting for your return... NOT.

I'm assuming that he was referring to the 26M model (the new boat?),
although it's not completely clear. As I understand the note, Ed didn't
actually sail the "new boat." So it's not really a very comprehensive
report, is it Johnathan?

By contrast, I happened to have had an extended discussion of the 26M
with an owner yesterday WHO HAD SAILED THE BOAT, under high wind and low
wind conditions. He was very pleased with its handling, and in contrast
with Ed, he thought the looks and interior of the boat were spectacular,
particularly for a boat in this price range. One thing I notice from
comments posted on the Mac discussion groups is that owners of the new
model like the new boat, whereas owners of the previous (26X) model
defend their own boats and pick fault with the new model, despite the
fact that few of them have ever sailed one. And since there are many
more owners of the 26X than owners of the 26M, the X owners are
predominate.

Jim

I have no trouble with someone choosing a Mac because they want to trailer it
to
flat water lakes. That's what its designed for. But not for taking it
offshore.

What do you mean, "off shore"? And what do you mean, "flat water lakes"? When I
sailed a Mac, it was on a lake that was either dead calm or a squall. The only
sailing I know about with a Mac is during squalls. Now that I live on the
coast, I'd rather have a squall off shore than in the back bay. At least out
there I have room.

And don't talk about sailing pasts Macs as if that's a qualification for your
claim that they are no good. I watched a regatta the other week and a 40 ft
boat with full crew ran aground. We thought they were joking. We couldn't
figure out why they weren't turning the boat. It wasn't the boat--they just
didn't know how to sail.


The Veridican