define ''potentially expensive engine problems'', please.

SV

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:



http://www.boating-forum.com/crusing..._ft_vs_ODay_34
_172742.html




Actually, the link is further evidence that you're a moronic cretin.

confirming the fact that I have

been considering other boats before finally
deciding on the Mac 26M late last month.



just when you thought he couldn't look any dumber.


I liked the Cal 34, and I would have been willing to put up with its
problems and consider it a "project boat," since it needed a complete
refurbishing of the interior, new headliner, upholstery, etc. - I had
mixed emotions about it, since I wouldn't be able to enjoy the
versatility and various other advantages available with the Mac. My
wife, however, didn't want to get into the "project boat" thing, and
definitely didn't like the somewhat messy interior of the Cal. The
O'Day had potentially expensive engine problems. There were also
several other used boats that we also looked at, but all of them seemed
to have one or more potentially serious repair issues. Later that
month, I looked into the Mac again, and inspected one at the local
dealer, and placed an order (on March 25). - Where's the inconsistency,
Benz? I told you all along that I was considering several different
boats, including the Cal and the Mac.

As I have explained previously, I never thought that the Mac 26M was a
perfect boat suitable for all applications, and I never claimed that it
would sail faster or more smoothly then a large displacement boat, or
that it would be a great choice for a transatlantic crossing. My point
has been that the discussions regarding the Mac have been so unbalanced
as to be almost ludicrous, even libelous, and that the the boat has a
lot of good qualities and unique advantages that haven't been fairly
considered. Further, as noted in the Pracital Sailor article regarding
the previous X model, its owners are pleased with it, and they get lots
of pleasure sailing it, according to the PC article. - I know that some
people buy finely built, fast, large boats and enjoy the fact that they
can brag about being able to get that extra half-knot of speed, or the
fact that THEY COULD sail it anywhere they wanted to, if they had time.
But for most of us, isn't being able to get out on the water
conveniently and quickly and getting pleasure sailing the boat and
enjoying getting out on the water with friends or family the more
important factor?

Jim

"Jim Cate" wrote ...
But for most of us, isn't being able to get out on the water
conveniently and quickly and getting pleasure sailing the boat and
enjoying getting out on the water with friends or family the more
important factor?


It is for me, that's why I don't ''sail'' a Mac26Mx.

SV

Scott Vernon wrote:

define ''potentially expensive engine problems'', please.

$5,000.00




SV

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:



http://www.boating-forum.com/crusing..._ft_vs_ODay_34

_172742.html




Actually, the link is further evidence that you're a moronic cretin.

confirming the fact that I have


been considering other boats before finally
deciding on the Mac 26M late last month.



just when you thought he couldn't look any dumber.


I liked the Cal 34, and I would have been willing to put up with its
problems and consider it a "project boat," since it needed a complete
refurbishing of the interior, new headliner, upholstery, etc. - I had
mixed emotions about it, since I wouldn't be able to enjoy the
versatility and various other advantages available with the Mac. My
wife, however, didn't want to get into the "project boat" thing, and
definitely didn't like the somewhat messy interior of the Cal. The
O'Day had potentially expensive engine problems. There were also
several other used boats that we also looked at, but all of them seemed
to have one or more potentially serious repair issues. Later that
month, I looked into the Mac again, and inspected one at the local
dealer, and placed an order (on March 25). - Where's the inconsistency,
Benz? I told you all along that I was considering several different
boats, including the Cal and the Mac.

As I have explained previously, I never thought that the Mac 26M was a
perfect boat suitable for all applications, and I never claimed that it
would sail faster or more smoothly then a large displacement boat, or
that it would be a great choice for a transatlantic crossing. My point
has been that the discussions regarding the Mac have been so unbalanced
as to be almost ludicrous, even libelous, and that the the boat has a
lot of good qualities and unique advantages that haven't been fairly
considered. Further, as noted in the Pracital Sailor article regarding
the previous X model, its owners are pleased with it, and they get lots
of pleasure sailing it, according to the PC article. - I know that some
people buy finely built, fast, large boats and enjoy the fact that they
can brag about being able to get that extra half-knot of speed, or the
fact that THEY COULD sail it anywhere they wanted to, if they had time.
But for most of us, isn't being able to get out on the water
conveniently and quickly and getting pleasure sailing the boat and
enjoying getting out on the water with friends or family the more
important factor?

Jim

that's a definition?


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

define ''potentially expensive engine problems'', please.

$5,000.00

Scott Vernon wrote:

that's a definition?

To most people, $5,000 is a "potentially expensive problem."

Jim
The

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:


define ''potentially expensive engine problems'', please.

$5,000.00

Are bank tellers aware of this?

"Jim Duck" quacked

To most people, $5,000 is a "potentially expensive problem."

Jimbo

To most people, Macs are lousy boats.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

that's a definition?

To most people, $5,000 is a "potentially expensive problem."

Jim
The

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:


define ''potentially expensive engine problems'', please.

$5,000.00

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

To most people, Macs are lousy boats.


The discussion seems to have veered substantially from my initial
thesis, and many of the recent notes (particularly yours, Ganz) are no
more than vindictive, personal attacks, and getting more so by the
hour. (Of course, if you don't have anything substantive to say in the
first place......)

The underlying thesis is that both the MacGregor 26M and larger,
displacement boats have good and bad characteristics, and each has
capabilities that the other doesn't.

For example, longer, heavier displcacement boats such as the Valiant 40
can sail faster, point higher, and manage heavy seas well, up to a
point. On the other hand, it's difficult to navigate through shallow
waters, or follow poorly kept channels that are shallow or silting, etc.
Its utility is also limited by the fact that it can't sail or motor
faster than its hull speed (unless you are surfing down a large wave.)
The MacGregor, of course, can motor through very shallow water, and
anchor in less than 1.5 feet of water, permitting the grandkids to swim
and enjoy playing in the water. Or, it can be beached, for a picnic, or
motored through shallow bay waters.

One of the more significant advantages of the MacGregor 26M is the fact
that it addresses one of the most basic human limitations, limited time.
Most of us work for a living, and most of us have many other
responsibilities vying for our limited free time. In this respect, the
Mac has it all over the Valiant. - As previously mentioned, in our
region in the Galveston Bay area northwest of Galveston, it takes around
four hours to motor from the marinas to the ship channel and down to
Galveston, and even more time to get out to the blue water. (There are
very few marinas located near the Gulf, and 99% of boat owners leave
their boats in the many marinas in Kemah or Seabrook.) In contrast, the
Mac can get from our marinas to the blue water far more quickly, making
it feasible to get out to blue water sailing in less than two hours. In
one day one can motor down, sail, visit Galveston restaurants and shops
if desired, and then return to the Kemah marinas. Thus, time limitations
relative to weekend sailing are substantially overcome. Similarly, the
design of the boat makes it possible to motor out to other portions of
the bays quickly, and sail, fish, swim, picnic, etc., and then return,
in one afternoon. Again, time limitations experienced with larger boats
are substantially mitigated.

Also, although 99% of the displacement sailboats in our area seldom
leave the bay, the Mac permits sailing in an entirely different part of
the the State, several hundred miles away, because it can be
conveniently trailered to the desired area. - Again, time limitations
are overcome, and a variety of new sailing areas are made conveniently
available.

Of course, you can say that you don't care about time limitations, and
that you would rather have a large displacement boat despite its
shortcomings. However, the fact remains that most of the owners of
displacement boats in this area that I have spoken with tell me that
they seldom find the time to take their boats out, and almost never have
time to take them out to the blue water. My own conclusion is that it's
better to sail slightly slower, and point slightly farther off, then to
seldom sail at all. I would rather be able to say:

"I went sailing yesterday and really enjoyed it, and did lots of
interesting things...."

Instead of:

"Well I didn't have time to go sailing this weekend, but I COULD
HAVE, and if I did have the time, I COULD HAVE sailed faster and
pointed higher than you."


Whether it is more important to point higher or sail more often and more
conveniently and with greater variety is, of course, a personal
judgment. But there can be no question that the Mac has significant
advantages over most displacement boats, for most users. Clearly,
obviously, certainly, and without question, except to those whose minds
are closed.

Jim

You can leave any time you like if you don't like the conversation.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
The discussion seems to have veered substantially from my initial
thesis, and many of the recent notes (particularly yours, Ganz) are no
more than vindictive, personal attacks, and getting more so by the
hour.

Which you don't. So, what's your point?

(Of course, if you don't have anything substantive to say in the
first place......)

bs deleted

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 20:44:44 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

You can leave any time you like if you don't like the conversation.


We're just hoping you will leave.




Screw the rules! They're more like guidelines, anyways.