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John Cairns April 11th 04 06:11 PM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
Pretty obvious by now, "Jim Cate" is just a troll, pretty successful one at
that. If he isn't and he ends up doing what he claims he's going to do, you
probably won't be hearing much from him down the road. If he is, which I
strongly suspect, he's got everyone here, almost everyone, firmly hooked.
Now I will admit he hooked me but unless it's blatantly obvious(politics or
something of that nature) I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
It is blatantly obvious that "Jim" is just trolling along, he admitted as
much very recently when he posted..................

"Actually, I knew what I was getting into when
I decided to defend the Macs on this ng, since this group has been
bashing them for a number of years."

Which would make his initial posts, claiming he wanted "opinions" about the
mac, bald-faced lies. Which would greatly increase the probability that
everything he has posted is untrue. Wouldn't surprise me if this was the
Boob, you know how much he loved to troll.
John Cairns



katysails April 11th 04 09:45 PM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
John:
Wouldn't surprise me if this was the
Boob, you know how much he loved to troll.

We've already speculated that that may be the case....this guy hasn't
launched into vague ad hominem attacks, though, like the Booby...he's stuck
on the same page....and his writing is much more coherent, even though
monotonous....I say "no", but it could be Gilly having a bit of sport....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



felton April 11th 04 11:09 PM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:45:46 -0400, "katysails"
wrote:

John:
Wouldn't surprise me if this was the
Boob, you know how much he loved to troll.

We've already speculated that that may be the case....this guy hasn't
launched into vague ad hominem attacks, though, like the Booby...he's stuck
on the same page....and his writing is much more coherent, even though
monotonous....I say "no", but it could be Gilly having a bit of sport....


If only it were that simple. A quick perusal of google will reveal
that "Jim Cate" has been a long time poster and apparent resident of
the Houston area, with interests in astronomy, opera and so on. At
first I thought it might be Neal back to entertain us with a whopper
of a troll, but alas, he seems to be serious. Hard to believe, I
know...

katysails April 12th 04 12:57 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
Felton related: Jim Cate" has been a long time poster and apparent resident
of
the Houston area, with interests in astronomy, opera and so on.

Ah...opera.....Jim, I sang with the opera chorus of the Grand Rapids Opera
for years. What are your favorites? The conductor here is also the
conductor for the New Orleans Opera...Robert Lyall....we had a baritone come
up from the Houston Opera tpo sing in a production of _Don Giovanni_ a while
ago...was a most impressive baritone...

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



John Cairns April 12th 04 02:43 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 

"katysails" wrote in message
...
John:
Wouldn't surprise me if this was the
Boob, you know how much he loved to troll.

We've already speculated that that may be the case....this guy hasn't
launched into vague ad hominem attacks, though, like the Booby...he's

stuck
on the same page....and his writing is much more coherent, even though
monotonous....I say "no", but it could be Gilly having a bit of sport....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein


Don't know about the coherent bit, spell checker can work wonders, most of
the crap appears to be copied verbatim from the mac lit, which would make
this individual either incredibly gullible or mentally ill. Could be
Gilligan, of course, make it "mental illness", in that case.
John Cairns




Jim Cate April 15th 04 02:41 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 


katysails wrote:

Felton related: Jim Cate" has been a long time poster and apparent resident
of
the Houston area, with interests in astronomy, opera and so on.

Ah...opera.....Jim, I sang with the opera chorus of the Grand Rapids Opera
for years. What are your favorites? The conductor here is also the
conductor for the New Orleans Opera...Robert Lyall....we had a baritone come
up from the Houston Opera tpo sing in a production of _Don Giovanni_ a while
ago...was a most impressive baritone...


My favorites include Carmen, Aida, La Boheme, Don Giovani, Carmen, Magic
Flute, Flying Dutchmen (and most of the Ring), all Verdi pieces, etc. I
have season tickets to the Houston Grand Opera, and they seem to be into
lots of premieres of new operas. Rene Fleming is a Houston "graduate,"
and she returned to sing here last year. - - I'll look forward to
listening to some opera played on the stereo of my new Mac 26M. I'm also
into audio and surround sound, and I'm building a collection of opera
performances on DVD. - Some of them are pretty spectacular.

Jim


felton April 15th 04 02:46 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:41:50 -0500, Jim Cate wrote:



katysails wrote:

Felton related: Jim Cate" has been a long time poster and apparent resident
of
the Houston area, with interests in astronomy, opera and so on.

Ah...opera.....Jim, I sang with the opera chorus of the Grand Rapids Opera
for years. What are your favorites? The conductor here is also the
conductor for the New Orleans Opera...Robert Lyall....we had a baritone come
up from the Houston Opera tpo sing in a production of _Don Giovanni_ a while
ago...was a most impressive baritone...


My favorites include Carmen, Aida, La Boheme, Don Giovani, Carmen, Magic
Flute, Flying Dutchmen (and most of the Ring), all Verdi pieces, etc. I
have season tickets to the Houston Grand Opera, and they seem to be into
lots of premieres of new operas. Rene Fleming is a Houston "graduate,"
and she returned to sing here last year. - - I'll look forward to
listening to some opera played on the stereo of my new Mac 26M. I'm also
into audio and surround sound, and I'm building a collection of opera
performances on DVD. - Some of them are pretty spectacular.

Jim


I don't care for opera and even I know that La Boheme is by Puccini,
not Verdi. Damn.

Jim Cate April 15th 04 03:01 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 


John Cairns wrote:

Pretty obvious by now, "Jim Cate" is just a troll, pretty successful one at
that. If he isn't and he ends up doing what he claims he's going to do, you
probably won't be hearing much from him down the road. If he is, which I
strongly suspect, he's got everyone here, almost everyone, firmly hooked.
Now I will admit he hooked me but unless it's blatantly obvious(politics or
something of that nature) I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
It is blatantly obvious that "Jim" is just trolling along, he admitted as
much very recently when he posted..................

As mentioned in previous notes, I was hoping to get some substantive
information about the Mac 26M and several other boats before making a
decision last month. - The only thing I got was a series of Mac
Bashings posted by contributors who didn't know what the hell they were
talking about. None of them had sailed the 26M, and most of them didn't
even know that the 26M was different from the 26x.

I'm incredulous that you would characterize ME as being a troll. I was
making a sincere effort to collect information about several boats,
including the Mac, but also including several others. If my wife hadn't
been so negative about the ratty interior of the Cal 34, I was ready to
put a deposit on it and get a survey.



"Actually, I knew what I was getting into when
I decided to defend the Macs on this ng, since this group has been
bashing them for a number of years."

Which would make his initial posts, claiming he wanted "opinions" about the
mac, bald-faced lies. Which would greatly increase the probability that
everything he has posted is untrue. Wouldn't surprise me if this was the
Boob, you know how much he loved to troll.
John Cairns


In addition to the obviously biased, obviously uninformed "opinions"
that I anticipated from past experiences on this ng, I had hoped that I
would also get some substantive, factual information from at least a few
knowledgeable contributors who had actually sailed the 26M, or who at
least knew what what they were. Instead, I got a long serious of
opinionated garbage from ng members who wasted most of a week trying to
convince me that the "old" boat was the same thing as the "new" boat. In
other words, despite the fact that they had no idea what the 26M was,
they still tried to put me down for giving them some specs regarding the
boat. (I was only repeating Rogers advertising, they said, and the boat
probably didn't really have a different hull, different keel, different
sails, different ballast system, etc., etc. - I was just sucked in by
MacGregor's advertising.)

I asked for information, I got none, I then researched the matter and,
with consideration of my wife's preferences of my wife, made the
decision to get the Mac 26M. - This isn't trolling, under any rational
definition.

Jim


Jim Cate April 15th 04 04:20 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 


Jim Cate wrote:



katysails wrote:

Felton related: Jim Cate" has been a long time poster and apparent
resident
of
the Houston area, with interests in astronomy, opera and so on.

Ah...opera.....Jim, I sang with the opera chorus of the Grand Rapids
Opera
for years. What are your favorites? The conductor here is also the
conductor for the New Orleans Opera...Robert Lyall....we had a
baritone come
up from the Houston Opera tpo sing in a production of _Don Giovanni_ a
while
ago...was a most impressive baritone...


My favorites include Carmen, Aida, La Boheme, Don Giovani, Carmen, Magic
Flute, Flying Dutchmen (and most of the Ring), all Verdi pieces, etc. I
have season tickets to the Houston Grand Opera, and they seem to be into
lots of premieres of new operas. Rene Fleming is a Houston "graduate,"
and she returned to sing here last year. - - I'll look forward to
listening to some opera played on the stereo of my new Mac 26M. I'm also
into audio and surround sound, and I'm building a collection of opera
performances on DVD. - Some of them are pretty spectacular.

Jim


Did I mention Carmen?

Incidentally, can you suggest any opera themes or characters that might
relate to sailing (e.g., Flying Dutchman)?

jim


Jonathan Ganz April 15th 04 06:45 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
"felton" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:41:50 -0500, Jim Cate wrote:



katysails wrote:

Felton related: Jim Cate" has been a long time poster and apparent

resident
of
the Houston area, with interests in astronomy, opera and so on.

Ah...opera.....Jim, I sang with the opera chorus of the Grand Rapids

Opera
for years. What are your favorites? The conductor here is also the
conductor for the New Orleans Opera...Robert Lyall....we had a baritone

come
up from the Houston Opera tpo sing in a production of _Don Giovanni_ a

while
ago...was a most impressive baritone...


My favorites include Carmen, Aida, La Boheme, Don Giovani, Carmen, Magic
Flute, Flying Dutchmen (and most of the Ring), all Verdi pieces, etc. I
have season tickets to the Houston Grand Opera, and they seem to be into
lots of premieres of new operas. Rene Fleming is a Houston "graduate,"
and she returned to sing here last year. - - I'll look forward to
listening to some opera played on the stereo of my new Mac 26M. I'm also
into audio and surround sound, and I'm building a collection of opera
performances on DVD. - Some of them are pretty spectacular.

Jim


I don't care for opera and even I know that La Boheme is by Puccini,
not Verdi. Damn.


And, everyone knows the MacBoy buys lousy boats.



Jonathan Ganz April 15th 04 06:46 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
Total bs.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

bs deleted



Martin Baxter April 15th 04 12:12 PM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
Jim Cate wrote:




Did I mention Carmen?



I just figured that you really liked Carmen.

Cheers
Marty

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Jim Cate April 15th 04 02:41 PM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 


Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Total bs.

You can call it bs if you want to. But you are totally out of it,
Johnny. I came on this board trying to get some substantive information
about the new Mac 26M from anyone who had sailed one, or anyone who had
discussed it with others who had sailed it. In response to my
inquiries, I got NOTHING of any substance. I ended up spending days on
this newsgroup trying to explain to you and your buddies that the Mac
26M did, after all, have a new hull and keel design that was, in fact,
substantively changed from the older models. All I got for my troubles
was more crap from ng participants who were getting more and more
incensed as it became more and more obvious that they really didn't know
what they were talking about, and further, that I wasn't going to let
them get away with it, and wouldn't be intimidated.

As previously discussed, I spent some time looking at various
displacement boats in the 30 - 36 ft range, and discussed them on this
ng and on cruising. At one time, I was ready to put in a deposit on the
Cal 34. After considering the many positive and negative factors
involved, and the prospects for using the boat in the future, mad the
costs entailed, I again considered the Mac 26M. Finally, after
reviewing several options and available choices, I went over each boat
with my wife. - She was adamantly opposed to getting the Cal 34 because
of some problems with its interior, and she preferred the new Mac 26M.
At that point, on March 25, I visited the Mac dealer in the area,
discussed prices and options, and placed an order. As previously noted,
I am not defending the Mac as the world's greatest sailboat, and I never
claimed it was suitable for blue water crossings. - I did say that it
had been given a bum rap on this newsgroup, and that I was going to
provide a little fresh air and balance to the discussion. (Actually, had
my wife not been so turned off, I probably would have gone ahead and bid
on the Cal, subject to the results of a survey.)

Im totally amazed that you and some of your buddies think that this is a
trolling event, that I didn't really consider boats other than the Mac,
and that I'm lying about placing an order late last month, etc. I think
that the real problem you are having is simply that I didn't turn tail
and run when you and your buddies started your flame war and didn't
obviously didn't accomplish the results you expected. - Something like
40 asa participants against one "new-guy," with some occasinal
assistance. (It's also ironic that I have posted notes to the ng since
1997, and I may actually be one of the "oldies" relative to most of
those now posting.

In any event, it's the excitement and pleasure of sailing that counts.
At least that's what I thought a few months ago.

Jim


Jonathan Ganz April 15th 04 06:05 PM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
MacBoy,

It is total bs and so are you. You're a proven liar. You got
tons of substantive advice, which you rightly ignored, since
you'd already bought the piece of crap boat. You can twist
it all you want, but those are the facts. You had an opportunity
to prove me wrong, but was unable.

The FACT is that the Mac you bought is a piece of crap, and
the FACT is that you're now trying to justify it. Keep at it if
it makes you feel better, but that won't improve the quality
of boat. You got ripped off and can't admit it to yourself or
anyone else.

I know from a very, very reliable source that the Mac is an
incredible rip-off. But, you don't give a sh*t, so fine. Take
her out on the ocean, but be sure to bring an EPIRB. You're
going to need it.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Total bs.




Marc April 15th 04 09:54 PM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
Jim, you are an F'ing schmuck. You have wasted hours of your time in
lengthy responses to the NG goads. Nobody gives a ****. They just want
to see you dance. And ,boy, what a show!
Jeff Morris fires a shot and we get the Jim Cate Two Step.
Jon Ganz lobs one in and we get the Jim Cate Fandango
Scott Vernon drops a bomb and we get Jim Cate doing an impression of
John Belushi doing an impression of Joe Cocker.

My boats in the water now, and I'm going sailing. C'Ya



On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:41:15 -0500, Jim Cate wrote:



Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Total bs.

You can call it bs if you want to. But you are totally out of it,
Johnny. I came on this board trying to get some substantive information
about the new Mac 26M from anyone who had sailed one, or anyone who had
discussed it with others who had sailed it. In response to my
inquiries, I got NOTHING of any substance. I ended up spending days on
this newsgroup trying to explain to you and your buddies that the Mac
26M did, after all, have a new hull and keel design that was, in fact,
substantively changed from the older models. All I got for my troubles
was more crap from ng participants who were getting more and more
incensed as it became more and more obvious that they really didn't know
what they were talking about, and further, that I wasn't going to let
them get away with it, and wouldn't be intimidated.

As previously discussed, I spent some time looking at various
displacement boats in the 30 - 36 ft range, and discussed them on this
ng and on cruising. At one time, I was ready to put in a deposit on the
Cal 34. After considering the many positive and negative factors
involved, and the prospects for using the boat in the future, mad the
costs entailed, I again considered the Mac 26M. Finally, after
reviewing several options and available choices, I went over each boat
with my wife. - She was adamantly opposed to getting the Cal 34 because
of some problems with its interior, and she preferred the new Mac 26M.
At that point, on March 25, I visited the Mac dealer in the area,
discussed prices and options, and placed an order. As previously noted,
I am not defending the Mac as the world's greatest sailboat, and I never
claimed it was suitable for blue water crossings. - I did say that it
had been given a bum rap on this newsgroup, and that I was going to
provide a little fresh air and balance to the discussion. (Actually, had
my wife not been so turned off, I probably would have gone ahead and bid
on the Cal, subject to the results of a survey.)

Im totally amazed that you and some of your buddies think that this is a
trolling event, that I didn't really consider boats other than the Mac,
and that I'm lying about placing an order late last month, etc. I think
that the real problem you are having is simply that I didn't turn tail
and run when you and your buddies started your flame war and didn't
obviously didn't accomplish the results you expected. - Something like
40 asa participants against one "new-guy," with some occasinal
assistance. (It's also ironic that I have posted notes to the ng since
1997, and I may actually be one of the "oldies" relative to most of
those now posting.

In any event, it's the excitement and pleasure of sailing that counts.
At least that's what I thought a few months ago.

Jim



katysails April 16th 04 12:06 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
Jim admitted: My favorites include Carmen, Aida, La Boheme, Don Giovani,
Carmen, Magic
Flute,

OK, you're partially redeemed, but you can keep the Wagner.....actually, I
can see you storming across Galveston Bay, all 50 hp blazing, with the "Cry
of the Valkyrie" blasting out of the portholes....

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



katysails April 16th 04 12:08 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
I don't care for opera and even I know that La Boheme is by Puccini,
not Verdi. Damn

Methinks you read it wron...he is stating he likes ALL Verdi pieces along
with the assortment he listed....(which were by various composers and not
all by Pucinni...)

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



katysails April 16th 04 12:11 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
Jim asked: Incidentally, can you suggest any opera themes or characters that
might
relate to sailing?

Our O'Day 27 was named Rusulka....water witch....anything by Wagner would be
a heavy German name....not my style....

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



Jim Cate April 16th 04 02:22 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 


katysails wrote:

Jim admitted: My favorites include Carmen, Aida, La Boheme, Don Giovani,
Carmen, Magic
Flute,

OK, you're partially redeemed, but you can keep the Wagner.....actually, I
can see you storming across Galveston Bay, all 50 hp blazing, with the "Cry
of the Valkyrie" blasting out of the portholes....


What about "Flying Dutchman?" Pretty appropriate.


Jim Cate April 16th 04 02:34 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

MacBoy,

It is total bs and so are you. You're a proven liar. You got
tons of substantive advice, which you rightly ignored, since
you'd already bought the piece of crap boat.


This is a lie. I posted several notes on the ng in February, at which
time I was looking at several boats but hadn't made any decisions. In
fact, I was looking at displacement boats in the 30-35 ft range in
particular, and I was planning to make a deposit on the Cal 34, before
getting the overwhelmingly negative reaction from my wife. As previously
noted, I finally settled on the Mac 26M, for a number of reasons, and my
order was placed March 25.

There have been a number of absurd, vacuous, and probably even libelous
notes posted on this ng for a number of years bashing the Macs. My
intention is to see that the discussions become at least somewhat more
balanced, and that the bashers begin to realize that Mac Bashing just
isn't as much fun as it used to be.

Jim



You can twist
it all you want, but those are the facts. You had an opportunity
to prove me wrong, but was unable.

The FACT is that the Mac you bought is a piece of crap, and
the FACT is that you're now trying to justify it. Keep at it if
it makes you feel better, but that won't improve the quality
of boat. You got ripped off and can't admit it to yourself or
anyone else.

I know from a very, very reliable source that the Mac is an
incredible rip-off. But, you don't give a sh*t, so fine. Take
her out on the ocean, but be sure to bring an EPIRB. You're
going to need it.



Jonathan Ganz April 16th 04 03:07 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
Keep twisting on the end of the line MacBoy. You're obviously
a liar and a fraud. Who are you shilling for? Certainly not a Mac
dealer. Even they know it's a garbage boat.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

MacBoy,

It is total bs and so are you. You're a proven liar. You got
tons of substantive advice, which you rightly ignored, since
you'd already bought the piece of crap boat.


This is a lie. I posted several notes on the ng in February, at which
time I was looking at several boats but hadn't made any decisions. In
fact, I was looking at displacement boats in the 30-35 ft range in
particular, and I was planning to make a deposit on the Cal 34, before
getting the overwhelmingly negative reaction from my wife. As previously
noted, I finally settled on the Mac 26M, for a number of reasons, and my
order was placed March 25.

There have been a number of absurd, vacuous, and probably even libelous
notes posted on this ng for a number of years bashing the Macs. My
intention is to see that the discussions become at least somewhat more
balanced, and that the bashers begin to realize that Mac Bashing just
isn't as much fun as it used to be.

Jim



You can twist
it all you want, but those are the facts. You had an opportunity
to prove me wrong, but was unable.

The FACT is that the Mac you bought is a piece of crap, and
the FACT is that you're now trying to justify it. Keep at it if
it makes you feel better, but that won't improve the quality
of boat. You got ripped off and can't admit it to yourself or
anyone else.

I know from a very, very reliable source that the Mac is an
incredible rip-off. But, you don't give a sh*t, so fine. Take
her out on the ocean, but be sure to bring an EPIRB. You're
going to need it.





Scott Vernon April 16th 04 04:00 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 

"katysails" wrote
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Scott Vernon April 16th 04 04:07 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
"Jim Cate" wrote

and I was planning to make a deposit on the Cal 34, before
getting the overwhelmingly negative reaction from my wife.



hear that noise jimmy? It's the crack of a whip. Get used to it.



As previously
noted, I finally settled on the Mac 26M, for a number of reasons, and my
order was placed March 25.


you're gonna end up blaming your wife for the Mac and probably kill her.
Find somebody with a real boat and dump the body 20 miles offshore.

Scotty


felton April 16th 04 04:15 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 19:08:17 -0400, "katysails"
wrote:

I don't care for opera and even I know that La Boheme is by Puccini,
not Verdi. Damn

Methinks you read it wron...he is stating he likes ALL Verdi pieces along
with the assortment he listed....(which were by various composers and not
all by Pucinni...)


I think you may be right. I'll blame the two margaritas. I really
don't care for opera but I date a woman who is very much a fan of it.
I've learned that the best way to enjoy opera is to sit near someone
who snores louder than I do, so as to avoid at least a few of those
elbows to the ribs when I am "resting my eyes.:)

katysails April 16th 04 11:37 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
Jim asked:
What about "Flying Dutchman?" Pretty appropriate.

Not one of my favorites...if I have to listen to Wagner, let it be
"Lohengrin" or "Meistersinger of Nuremberg"
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



katysails April 16th 04 11:39 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
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--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



Scott Vernon April 16th 04 03:05 PM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
I prefer John Philip Sousa.

Scotty

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Jim asked:
What about "Flying Dutchman?" Pretty appropriate.

Not one of my favorites...if I have to listen to Wagner, let it be
"Lohengrin" or "Meistersinger of Nuremberg"
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein




katysails April 16th 04 11:00 PM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
Scotty:
I prefer John Philip Sousa.

I like Sousa...quite imspirational if the band is good...quite horrible if
the band is not....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



Scott Vernon April 17th 04 04:16 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
Boston Pops on 4th of July!


"katysails" wrote in message
...
Scotty:
I prefer John Philip Sousa.

I like Sousa...quite imspirational if the band is good...quite horrible if
the band is not....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein




katysails April 17th 04 02:15 PM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 

Boston Pops on 4th of July!

The best....although I heard the Washington Symphony (I think it was
them...) perfrom the 1812 Overture on the oval in front of the White House
with cannon and fireworks and I think that probably was the most spectacular
music I've ever been privy to hear...
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



Jim Cate April 17th 04 04:58 PM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 


Scott Vernon wrote:

Boston Pops on 4th of July!


Boston Symphony, in Boston Symphony hall, on any day.

Jim


"katysails" wrote in message
...

Scotty:
I prefer John Philip Sousa.

I like Sousa...quite imspirational if the band is good...quite horrible if
the band is not....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein






Jim Cate April 17th 04 05:02 PM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Keep twisting on the end of the line MacBoy. You're obviously
a liar and a fraud.


Actually, what I have posted regarding considering several boats and
then placing an order for the Mac 26m is true.


Who are you shilling for? Certainly not a Mac
dealer. Even they know it's a garbage boat.


Have a nice weekend John. - Incidentally, have you considered my
suggestion that you might benefit from some professional help?

Jim



Jeff Morris April 17th 04 05:39 PM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
Living all my life in Boston I've attended both on many, many occasions.
Symphony Hall is one of the best venues in the country. I've been there five
times this season, most recently to see Bobby McFerrin - a great show,
especially with the Symphony Hall acoustics.

However, the July 4th event on the river is a spectacle not to be missed, at
least a few times. For a number of years I worked in the boathouse directly
across from the Hatch Shell on the Esplanade. Perfect seats for the fireworks,
but we used the TV and radio to bring in the concert.

I haven't gone over to watch the concert in a few years - only the first 200,000
get good seats. Last year we watched the concert on TV on our boat, moored in
Salem Harbor waiting for their fireworks.





"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

Boston Pops on 4th of July!


Boston Symphony, in Boston Symphony hall, on any day.

Jim


"katysails" wrote in message
...

Scotty:
I prefer John Philip Sousa.

I like Sousa...quite imspirational if the band is good...quite horrible if
the band is not....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein








Scott Vernon April 17th 04 07:08 PM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
seen that on the tube. must be fantastic live.
Scotty

"katysails" wrote in message
...

Boston Pops on 4th of July!

The best....although I heard the Washington Symphony (I think it was
them...) perfrom the 1812 Overture on the oval in front of the White House
with cannon and fireworks and I think that probably was the most

spectacular
music I've ever been privy to hear...
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein




Scott Vernon April 17th 04 07:11 PM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
they don't let Mac26Mx owners in.


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

Boston Pops on 4th of July!


Boston Symphony, in Boston Symphony hall, on any day.

Jim


"katysails" wrote in message
...

Scotty:
I prefer John Philip Sousa.

I like Sousa...quite imspirational if the band is good...quite horrible

if
the band is not....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein







Scott Vernon April 17th 04 07:17 PM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
"Jeff Morris" wrote ...
Living all my life in Boston I've attended both on many, many occasions.
Symphony Hall is one of the best venues in the country. I've been there

five
times this season, most recently to see Bobby McFerrin - a great show,
especially with the Symphony Hall acoustics.


how recent? Just last week, on the radio, one of those
'what-ever-happened-to?' bits, asked if Bobby was still happy.



However, the July 4th event on the river is a spectacle not to be missed,

at
least a few times. For a number of years I worked in the boathouse

directly
across from the Hatch Shell on the Esplanade. Perfect seats for the

fireworks,
but we used the TV and radio to bring in the concert.

I haven't gone over to watch the concert in a few years - only the first

200,000
get good seats. Last year we watched the concert on TV on our boat,

moored in
Salem Harbor waiting for their fireworks.


Sounds lovely!

Scotty



Jeff Morris April 17th 04 10:35 PM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
"Jeff Morris" wrote ...
Living all my life in Boston I've attended both on many, many occasions.
Symphony Hall is one of the best venues in the country. I've been there

five
times this season, most recently to see Bobby McFerrin - a great show,
especially with the Symphony Hall acoustics.


how recent? Just last week, on the radio, one of those
'what-ever-happened-to?' bits, asked if Bobby was still happy.


Two weeks ago, April 4. Symphony Hall was sold out, the first time I've seen it
filled this year. It was a great concert; lots of audience participation.
McFerrin is an incredible musician. Making a special appearance was harpist
Deborah Henson-Conant, who amazed all with her "electric blues harp" and
singing, which sounded like Bonnie Riatt. Their duets were worth the price of
admission. McFerrin finished with a Wizard of Oz medley, and then did the
Mickey Mouse Club Song for an encore. He seemed very happy, but he did not do
his trademark song.














However, the July 4th event on the river is a spectacle not to be missed,

at
least a few times. For a number of years I worked in the boathouse

directly
across from the Hatch Shell on the Esplanade. Perfect seats for the

fireworks,
but we used the TV and radio to bring in the concert.

I haven't gone over to watch the concert in a few years - only the first

200,000
get good seats. Last year we watched the concert on TV on our boat,

moored in
Salem Harbor waiting for their fireworks.


Sounds lovely!

Scotty





N1EE April 18th 04 01:56 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
Were you working at Community Boating? I sailed out of
there for five years, and enjoyed walking along the Half
Shell. Community Boating had 81 total boats, including
51 Mercuries when I was there. I bet the Mercuries are
all still there.

We have three left at the boat club. This is where I
learned to sail, on these same Mercuries. Now, I'm in
charge of refurbishing them this year. They are tanks
--15.5' 630 lbs worth of solid fiberglass. These boat
are so tough, when the kids hit the dock, the dock gets
damanged.

Since we have three, and they will be used for the youngest
juniors--9 year olds. I was surprised to see they only had
numbers and no names. One nice thing about running the
project--I get to pick the names. I love naming boats.
There is an art to it. They must be fitting and cool.

I thought of kids crashing into docks and then I thought, three
boats, then I thought--"The Three Stooges". Moe, Larry and
Curly. I spent the moring sanding "Larry" down before I went
sailing.

I'm trying to find another boat or two for donation. Others
names could be named Nyuck, Nyuck-Nyuck, or Curly-Joe.

I learned on these same boats, nearly 39 years ago! I still
remember the centerboards, that drop like a guillotine. So I have
a certain foundness for them and want to make them look really
nice. These are getting new masts, new booms, new centerboards,
lots of new hardware, and new paint.

Bart

"Scott Vernon" wrote

"Jeff Morris" wrote


at
least a few times. For a number of years I worked in the boathouse

directly
across from the Hatch Shell on the Esplanade. Perfect seats for the

fireworks,
but we used the TV and radio to bring in the concert.


Sounds lovely!

Scotty


Jeff Morris April 18th 04 03:01 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
Were you working at Community Boating? I sailed out of
there for five years, and enjoyed walking along the Half
Shell. Community Boating had 81 total boats, including
51 Mercuries when I was there. I bet the Mercuries are
all still there.


I sailed at Community every summer day from the time I was 11 until I was 18.
They still have the Mercuries, plus a number of other boats. Price for juniors
is still $1 for the entire summer.

I never worked at Community, but I did spend some years at Harvard Sailing, on
the Cambidge side. You probably missed them - they built on a barge in 1972
directly across from the Hatch Shell. They had (still have?) a fleet of
InterClubs - the world's tippiest dinghies, and Larks, plus other assorted
relics.


We have three left at the boat club. This is where I
learned to sail, on these same Mercuries. Now, I'm in
charge of refurbishing them this year. They are tanks
--15.5' 630 lbs worth of solid fiberglass. These boat
are so tough, when the kids hit the dock, the dock gets
damanged.


In my first few days there I took the shore class, then went out once or twice
with other kids and decided I was ready to solo. Within 10 minutes I was
aground on the island, hauled off, and pointed back to the dock which I rammed
full speed! For penance, I had to take off and return 25 times - by the end of
that I knew how to sail.



Since we have three, and they will be used for the youngest
juniors--9 year olds. I was surprised to see they only had
numbers and no names. One nice thing about running the
project--I get to pick the names. I love naming boats.
There is an art to it. They must be fitting and cool.

I thought of kids crashing into docks and then I thought, three
boats, then I thought--"The Three Stooges". Moe, Larry and
Curly. I spent the moring sanding "Larry" down before I went
sailing.

I'm trying to find another boat or two for donation. Others
names could be named Nyuck, Nyuck-Nyuck, or Curly-Joe.

I learned on these same boats, nearly 39 years ago!


39 years? You may have just missed me - the summer of '65 my horizons were
expanding and I spent little time at Community.

I still
remember the centerboards, that drop like a guillotine. So I have
a certain foundness for them and want to make them look really
nice. These are getting new masts, new booms, new centerboards,
lots of new hardware, and new paint.


Yup, great boats, great club.




Jonathan Ganz April 18th 04 04:53 AM

Why don't you guys just leave it alone
 
Actually, you're just a liar.

I only consider suggestions from people with IQs above 135.
You don't qualify.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Keep twisting on the end of the line MacBoy. You're obviously
a liar and a fraud.


Actually, what I have posted regarding considering several boats and
then placing an order for the Mac 26m is true.


Who are you shilling for? Certainly not a Mac
dealer. Even they know it's a garbage boat.


Have a nice weekend John. - Incidentally, have you considered my
suggestion that you might benefit from some professional help?

Jim






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