It's time for a change

WE Need to pay more taxes, the people in Europe pay much more taxes.
Today we only work 5 months of the year to pay taxes. We should do
more for our fellow man. Let's be fair and pay our share.

Kerry is a war hero that will give the poor down trotten person the
welfare he or she deserves, lets be kinder to our less fortunate
citizens.

We need to get out of Iraq yesterday, we should of never invaded them
for their oil.

Guns KILL. Never bring a weapon on your boat, your just asking for
trouble.

The troops at war make way to much money, John will put them in their
place.

Saddam wasent Evil. We just mis-understood him and the ways of the
middle east.

9/11 will never happen again, we need to get rid of that commie like
patriot act, it will not stop any terrorist. It's just a tool the govt
uses to spy on us. If we just ignore the radical jihad muslems they
will leave us alone.

Reno was better than Rice.

The Mac 26X is a great all around boat that will out preform speed
boats and sailboats, buy it Jim! It does everything.

Gasoline is way to cheap, lets put another 50 cents tax on it. That
will solve most of our traffic problems and reduce our reliance on the
middle east.

The Dixie Chicks are the best C&W band on the planet! I love nattalie.

I'm voting for change, I'm voting for Kerry.

Joe
MSV RedCloud

"Joe" with the help of a thousand monkeys banging
on keyboards, was finally able
to type out the following:
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It's time for a change
Joe
MSV RedCloud

Yeah, have to agree with that. Plonk

I agree.

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It's time for a change
The Mac 26X is a great all around boat that will out preform speed
boats and sailboats, buy it Jim! It does everything.

In article ,
Dave wrote:

On 1 Apr 2004 13:39:08 -0800, (Joe) said:

I'm voting for change, I'm voting for Kerry.

Hey, you forgot about his great plan to keep companies from moving work
offshore and to increase employment. Tie them up with red tape--make 'em
file reports and hire thousands more bureaucrats to go through the reports.

That'll work real well. They'll move their HO and stock exchange
listing to Singapore as well. Set up an importing subsidiary in the
USA. Then what?

I'm paying little/no attention to the US elections, but braindead ideas
like that have been tried many times in other places. So far the track
record is pretty poor. Even if they work to stop companies from moving
manufacturing offshore, how are you going to force consumers to buy
stuff at higher prices if the quality is the same? Tariffs & quotas?

Hey, you just reinvented the Japanese approach! You know, the one that
the USA has been bitching about (while simultaneously practising in
agriculture) for 20+ years.

The only way proven to work is to build a better product at an
equivalent price, or an inferior but useable product at a lot cheaper
price. I just bought a Chinese 7 1/2" circular saw as a throwaway, to
cut sheetmetal, so as not to abuse my good Japanese one, on this logic.
The saw cost less than the USA-made steel cutting blade I fitted to it
and as long as it gets the job done, the moment it fails I'll bin it.

Came with a 2 year unconditional home handyman warranty :-)

PDW

Since Bush was the one without balls, I guess there's not much for
him to give. On 9/11, he ran. Only Rumsfeld actually acted like a
decent human being. I may not agree with Rummy, but at least he
acted like a man. As I recall, they had to drag him away from the
scene at the Pentagon. Bush was being flown around the midwest,
while they figured out where to stash Cheney, the real brains behind
the Presidency. I heard Cheney ended up as a short order chef in
a hamburger joint in Montana (the undisclosed location).

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On 1 Apr 2004 13:39:08 -0800, (Joe) said:

I'm voting for change, I'm voting for Kerry.

Hey, you forgot about his great plan to keep companies from moving work
offshore and to increase employment. Tie them up with red tape--make 'em
file reports and hire thousands more bureaucrats to go through the
reports.

And you forgot about his terrific plan to gain respect abroad--hand over
his
balls to Kofi Annan the day after he's elected.


Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:12:42 +1000, Peter Wiley wrote:


That'll work real well. They'll move their HO and stock exchange listing
to Singapore as well. Set up an importing subsidiary in the USA. Then
what?

I'm paying little/no attention to the US elections, but braindead ideas
like that have been tried many times in other places. So far the track
record is pretty poor. Even if they work to stop companies from moving
manufacturing offshore, how are you going to force consumers to buy stuff
at higher prices if the quality is the same? Tariffs & quotas?

How about changing a tax structure that encourages companies to outsource:

http://www.interesting-people.org/ar.../msg00121.html

(Joe) wrote in message . com...


APRIL FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Got ya!

Joe


It's time for a change

WE Need to pay more taxes, the people in Europe pay much more taxes.
Today we only work 5 months of the year to pay taxes. We should do
more for our fellow man. Let's be fair and pay our share.

Kerry is a war hero that will give the poor down trotten person the
welfare he or she deserves, lets be kinder to our less fortunate
citizens.

We need to get out of Iraq yesterday, we should of never invaded them
for their oil.

Guns KILL. Never bring a weapon on your boat, your just asking for
trouble.

The troops at war make way to much money, John will put them in their
place.

Saddam wasent Evil. We just mis-understood him and the ways of the
middle east.

9/11 will never happen again, we need to get rid of that commie like
patriot act, it will not stop any terrorist. It's just a tool the govt
uses to spy on us. If we just ignore the radical jihad muslems they
will leave us alone.

Reno was better than Rice.

The Mac 26X is a great all around boat that will out preform speed
boats and sailboats, buy it Jim! It does everything.

Gasoline is way to cheap, lets put another 50 cents tax on it. That
will solve most of our traffic problems and reduce our reliance on the
middle east.

The Dixie Chicks are the best C&W band on the planet! I love nattalie.

I'm voting for change, I'm voting for Kerry.

Joe
MSV RedCloud

"Joe" wrote in message
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(Joe) wrote in message
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APRIL FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Got ya!


Bwahahahaha! NO you didn't!


Regards

Donal
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In article ,
Dave wrote:

On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:12:42 +1000, Peter Wiley
said:

That'll work real well. They'll move their HO and stock exchange
listing to Singapore as well. Set up an importing subsidiary in the
USA. Then what?

Yes. We will be able to add to the environmental impact statements,
paperwork reduction act statements and all the other statements a domestic
employment impact statement. Then the unions can sue the company over
whether the employment impact statement was adequate, and ask the judge to
make the company do it again before it picks up and move out of statement
land permanently.

Shrug. They set up an o/s company, sell/transfer the assets and leave a
shell behind. Then they close down the shell. Been done here in
Australia a number of times. IT jobs are going to India, for example.

Look, I'm not claiming that this is a good thing to do, I'm saying it's
a very hard thing to stop. My rule of thumb is basically not to try
something unless there's a clear objective and a reasonable chance of
success. I've found that keeps me out of most serious screwups.
Politicians never seem to learn this basic lesson. Their std response
to something they don't want to hear is 'that will never happen,
therefore we don't need to consider how to deal with that'. Followed a
short time later by '****! Why didn't somebody think of that?'. The
examples are legion across the entire political spectrum.

Manufacturing will relocate to where the labour, raw materials,
infrastructure grouping is most favourable since transport costs are
such a small component these days. Intellectual property is even
easier. I had a big argument with a political advisor some years ago
about the application of GST to software, told him it'd never work as
people would just d/l it from the net. He didn't believe me. Now
broadband is making major inroads here and it happens all the time.

Bottom line IMO - you have to have a reason for people, companies etc
to do something like stay or move. You can't just threaten them with
consequences if there's no means of forcing them to comply. You can't
load o/s stuff with tariffs in compensation for domestic costs either
unless you want everyone to do the same thing.

Would have thought California had learnt something from the power
fiasco. Maybe not, tho. Lots of people still seem to think there must
be a free lunch somewhere because they're *entitled* to it, dammit!

PDW

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