"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
I mis-typed... that's what I meant to say. However, you still
won't have use of it.

Thats OK with a long gun. They are for underway anyway. You would be
suprised how easy it is to hide a Colt Pocket Pony.


As to the other stuff... who cares in international waters...

I mis-typed I wanted to say you can carry a line gun in any waters.
Its safety equipment and to take it would open up any country for a
major
lawsuit. But you better have the box of buckshot well hidden.


you need it in port. I can just imagine trying to shoot a pirate
with a bang stick.

You stick it in his gut and pull the trigger, beats the hell out of
most
knifes. Not my favorite choice but you have to be willing to
improvise.

Joe




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"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Sure, except that if you pull into a foreign port and declare
the gun, it'll be confiscated.

No it will not. Most time the Custom agent can hold it until you
depart the country. Many that fish along the Mexican border offshore
carry throw away shotguns. Usually pumps so all your ammo can be in
it. Pirates you unload on em, mexican police you toss em overboard,
waters to deep to scuba, so they will not go thru the hassle of
retreaving evidence. Not a good ideal in port, but down by the Rio
Grand the gulf is very deep for several reasons.

And you can keep a line throwong gun like this one onboard in
international waters. http://www.rirwin.com/images/teargas.JPG.

Then you have your compound bows, spearguns, bangsticks, ect.



If you don't declare it and they
find it, you'll go to prison. The chances of an attack is very,
very low, but one can make it even lower by taking a few
precautions. First one is don't go in areas where pirates
are known to be.

Thats fine if your willing to give in to terrorist and pirates. And
pass up on something you wanted to do.


Second, stay in a group if you do need
or want to go there.

Good ideal, someone has to guard your boat.


Third, lock things up and have them
looked like they're locked up. Fourth, use some of the
techniques you describe in your post.


4th, Have a gun and know how to use it. Pratice pratice practice.

Gun control is knowing how to hit your target!

Joe


Joe



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"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
If you read the piracy reports, most pirates
don't even have guns. Machete's and knifes are the
common weapons. A gun against a group of poorly
armed pirates is a fair match. Pirates run from
fair matches and look for weaker targets.

Also, for piracy against sailboats, you are as
likely to encounter trouble in daytime as nightime.
Do you remember the man who had his throat cut
a few years ago, and left for dead? The pirates
stopped by to ask for wate--in daytime.

Joshua Slocom defeated pirates by spreading tacks
on his deck. It would not be hard to rig noise
makers to lifelines, or rig a higher tech alternative
to alert you. Also, if you have a crew it might
be a bad idea of keep a watch even at anchor in
dangerous locations.

There have been cases where unarmed people were
killed or left for dead. The choice is still yours.
You can chose to protect yourself or put your faith
in God. Chances are high you will never need a gun.
The risk is small but still finite and real.

I'd rather have along a shotgun that could serve
double duty as a line thrower and signalling device.
I'd use it for signaling for sure.

Bart

By the way, some of the older glass hulls can stop
a full load .357. One inch of fiberglass is stronger
than you think.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

Except that most pirates aren't interested in sailboats. Most
theives come aboard at night, when you're asleep. If you don't
confront them, they'll likely take the dink and keep going. If
you encounter a real pirate, the weapons they have will turn
your glass boat into Swiss Cheese.

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"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
Sailors are known for planning ahead. If you
plan ahead enough to bring a gun, it seems
likely that you would be smart enough to
practice and be prepared to use it.

There are new types of ammunition that will
not penetrate a hull and would be suitable
for defense on a boat, and/or for signal use.

More than a few stories tell how sailors
fired a couple shots and scared off pirates.

If you run out on deck waving a gun, without any
sort of a plan, you will probably get killed
yourself.

If you are a sheepeople, don't bring a gun. If
you are leader, that is capable and responsible,
perhaps you might want to consider firearms
as a means to protect your loved ones.

Bart Senior

You stick it in his gut and pull the trigger ... Not my favorite choice ...

yeah, you are a killer many times over. two, three, sometimes four a week. and
that is just the men, the women you wing a bit to take their weapons from them.
chivalrous you.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
You stick it in his gut and pull the trigger ... Not my favorite choice
....

yeah, you are a killer many times over. two, three, sometimes four a week.
and
that is just the men, the women you wing a bit to take their weapons from
them.
chivalrous you.

You may be right. Perhaps Joe isn't a stone killer. OTOH it would be
foolish to assume that he is incapable of popping a cap on some criminal
who's threatening him, and I'd be willing to bet that there are one or two
"stones" on this very NG.
Cheers,
Vito

(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...
You stick it in his gut and pull the trigger ... Not my favorite choice ...

yeah, you are a killer many times over. two, three, sometimes four a week. and
that is just the men, the women you wing a bit to take their weapons from them.
chivalrous you.


Jaxie,

Loosen your speedos, your losing to much blood to your brain.

I have no problem at all killing anyone that breaks into my boat. I
live aboard full time. I figure if someone breaks into my boat they
will do anything not to be stopped. It's very odvious we live aboard.
Just like in your house Im sure you think about security. What would
you do if you wokeup with someone kicking in your door?

I've been on the wrong end of a gun before, some drugged out
shrimpboat deckhand stole my truck at gunpoint, and I have been
stabbed once in the leg by a bandito in the phillipines. That was
then, I learned by my mistakes. Now I will get the drop on them first
with zero hesitation.

Your responce to my post sounds like someone with PTSS.

Joe

joe, you are tough and hard. At least when you are drinking beer.

I assure you that I can -- and have -- fire a semi-automatic rifle quickly
enough to make all around believe I fired the M-60 machine gun.

joe, faced with a professional you wouldn't stand a snow ball's chance in Hell
of living even a few hundreths of a second.

have another beer, joe.

You stick it in his gut and pull the trigger ... Not my favorite choice
...

yeah, you are a killer many times over. two, three, sometimes four a week.
and
that is just the men, the women you wing a bit to take their weapons from
them.
chivalrous you.


Jaxie,

Loosen your speedos, your losing to much blood to your brain.

I have no problem at all killing anyone that breaks into my boat. I
live aboard full time. I figure if someone breaks into my boat they
will do anything not to be stopped. It's very odvious we live aboard.
Just like in your house Im sure you think about security. What would
you do if you wokeup with someone kicking in your door?

I've been on the wrong end of a gun before, some drugged out
shrimpboat deckhand stole my truck at gunpoint, and I have been
stabbed once in the leg by a bandito in the phillipines. That was
then, I learned by my mistakes. Now I will get the drop on them first
with zero hesitation.

Your responce to my post sounds like someone with PTSS.

Joe

Watched 'The Patriot' last night. I loved the way a few bumbling backwoods
red-neck farmers got the best of Her Majesties finest soldiers.

SV


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
joe, you are tough and hard. At least when you are drinking beer.

I assure you that I can -- and have -- fire a semi-automatic rifle quickly
enough to make all around believe I fired the M-60 machine gun.

joe, faced with a professional you wouldn't stand a snow ball's chance in
Hell
of living even a few hundreths of a second.

have another beer, joe.

You stick it in his gut and pull the trigger ... Not my favorite
choice
...

yeah, you are a killer many times over. two, three, sometimes four a
week.
and
that is just the men, the women you wing a bit to take their weapons
from
them.
chivalrous you.


Jaxie,

Loosen your speedos, your losing to much blood to your brain.

I have no problem at all killing anyone that breaks into my boat. I
live aboard full time. I figure if someone breaks into my boat they
will do anything not to be stopped. It's very odvious we live aboard.
Just like in your house Im sure you think about security. What would
you do if you wokeup with someone kicking in your door?

I've been on the wrong end of a gun before, some drugged out
shrimpboat deckhand stole my truck at gunpoint, and I have been
stabbed once in the leg by a bandito in the phillipines. That was
then, I learned by my mistakes. Now I will get the drop on them first
with zero hesitation.

Your responce to my post sounds like someone with PTSS.

Joe

We're not talking Iraq right?

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I loved the way a few bumbling backwoods
red-neck farmers got the best of Her Majesties finest soldiers.

SV


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
joe, you are tough and hard. At least when you are drinking beer.

I assure you that I can -- and have -- fire a semi-automatic rifle
quickly
enough to make all around believe I fired the M-60 machine gun.

joe, faced with a professional you wouldn't stand a snow ball's chance
in
Hell
of living even a few hundreths of a second.

have another beer, joe.

You stick it in his gut and pull the trigger ... Not my favorite
choice
...

yeah, you are a killer many times over. two, three, sometimes four a
week.
and
that is just the men, the women you wing a bit to take their weapons
from
them.
chivalrous you.


Jaxie,

Loosen your speedos, your losing to much blood to your brain.

I have no problem at all killing anyone that breaks into my boat. I
live aboard full time. I figure if someone breaks into my boat they
will do anything not to be stopped. It's very odvious we live aboard.
Just like in your house Im sure you think about security. What would
you do if you wokeup with someone kicking in your door?

I've been on the wrong end of a gun before, some drugged out
shrimpboat deckhand stole my truck at gunpoint, and I have been
stabbed once in the leg by a bandito in the phillipines. That was
then, I learned by my mistakes. Now I will get the drop on them first
with zero hesitation.

Your responce to my post sounds like someone with PTSS.

Joe

was "the Patriot" about the battle of New Orleans in 1815? If so, the American
redneck farmers had hunting rifles that could fire accurately at up to 200
yards, while the Brits had rifles accurate to only 100 yards. The Americans
would shoot at the Brits until they were getting to close, then back up.

The Brits also used a battlefield tactic they found useful for the flat plains
of Europe, namely lining up in rows and marching forward to overwhelm the
enemy, with losses. The terrain of the Battle of New Orleans did not make this
tactic viable.

Watched 'The Patriot' last night. I loved the way a few bumbling backwoods
red-neck farmers got the best of Her Majesties finest soldiers.

SV


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
joe, you are tough and hard. At least when you are drinking beer.

I assure you that I can -- and have -- fire a semi-automatic rifle quickly
enough to make all around believe I fired the M-60 machine gun.

joe, faced with a professional you wouldn't stand a snow ball's chance in
Hell
of living even a few hundreths of a second.

have another beer, joe.

You stick it in his gut and pull the trigger ... Not my favorite
choice
...

yeah, you are a killer many times over. two, three, sometimes four a
week.
and
that is just the men, the women you wing a bit to take their weapons
from
them.
chivalrous you.


Jaxie,

Loosen your speedos, your losing to much blood to your brain.

I have no problem at all killing anyone that breaks into my boat. I
live aboard full time. I figure if someone breaks into my boat they
will do anything not to be stopped. It's very odvious we live aboard.
Just like in your house Im sure you think about security. What would
you do if you wokeup with someone kicking in your door?

I've been on the wrong end of a gun before, some drugged out
shrimpboat deckhand stole my truck at gunpoint, and I have been
stabbed once in the leg by a bandito in the phillipines. That was
then, I learned by my mistakes. Now I will get the drop on them first
with zero hesitation.

Your responce to my post sounds like someone with PTSS.

Joe

No, but I've read about that battle. Kinda funny, no? This one took place
in SC or NC.

SV


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
was "the Patriot" about the battle of New Orleans in 1815? If so, the
American
redneck farmers had hunting rifles that could fire accurately at up to 200
yards, while the Brits had rifles accurate to only 100 yards. The
Americans
would shoot at the Brits until they were getting to close, then back up.

The Brits also used a battlefield tactic they found useful for the flat
plains
of Europe, namely lining up in rows and marching forward to overwhelm the
enemy, with losses. The terrain of the Battle of New Orleans did not make
this
tactic viable.

Watched 'The Patriot' last night. I loved the way a few bumbling
backwoods
red-neck farmers got the best of Her Majesties finest soldiers.

SV


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
joe, you are tough and hard. At least when you are drinking beer.

I assure you that I can -- and have -- fire a semi-automatic rifle
quickly
enough to make all around believe I fired the M-60 machine gun.

joe, faced with a professional you wouldn't stand a snow ball's chance
in
Hell
of living even a few hundreths of a second.

have another beer, joe.

You stick it in his gut and pull the trigger ... Not my favorite
choice
...

yeah, you are a killer many times over. two, three, sometimes four a
week.
and
that is just the men, the women you wing a bit to take their weapons
from
them.
chivalrous you.


Jaxie,

Loosen your speedos, your losing to much blood to your brain.

I have no problem at all killing anyone that breaks into my boat. I
live aboard full time. I figure if someone breaks into my boat they
will do anything not to be stopped. It's very odvious we live aboard.
Just like in your house Im sure you think about security. What would
you do if you wokeup with someone kicking in your door?

I've been on the wrong end of a gun before, some drugged out
shrimpboat deckhand stole my truck at gunpoint, and I have been
stabbed once in the leg by a bandito in the phillipines. That was
then, I learned by my mistakes. Now I will get the drop on them first
with zero hesitation.

Your responce to my post sounds like someone with PTSS.

Joe

On 15 Apr 2004 11:20:41 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote this
crap:

was "the Patriot" about the battle of New Orleans in 1815?

Surely you must be kidding! "The Patriot" took place during the War
of Independence. The battle near the end of the movie, where the
militia was deployed in the center, and drew the British into a double
envelopment, was a depiction of the battle of Cowpens. 17 January
1781.

If so, the American
redneck farmers had hunting rifles that could fire accurately at up to 200
yards, while the Brits had rifles accurate to only 100 yards. The Americans
would shoot at the Brits until they were getting to close, then back up.

Apparently you don't know the difference between rifles and muskets.


The Brits also used a battlefield tactic they found useful for the flat plains
of Europe, namely lining up in rows and marching forward to overwhelm the
enemy, with losses. The terrain of the Battle of New Orleans did not make this
tactic viable.

That was a tactic used for thousands of years, with great success, and
had nothing to do with the terrain.

Watched 'The Patriot' last night. I loved the way a few bumbling backwoods
red-neck farmers got the best of Her Majesties finest soldiers.

True, but it wasn't the militia that won the war, it was Washington's
regulars.

The last battle was at Yorktown. Cornwallis was under seige, and
awaiting reinforcements. The French fleet cut off the ships bringing
those reinforcements, giving the victory to Washington. Didn't you
notice the French ships in the harbor near the end of that last
battle?





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