bull. there is no intuitive way to calculate the product of those numbers in
that way, any more than you can calc a 4th root of a number algabraicly with a
pencil and paper.

There ARE ways to calc that product in one's head, but not in the fashion you
claimed. None.

sorry, dude.

wanna see me do square roots using an adding machine? $100 and I will show
you.

shen, LOL, you made yourself a fool, for *those* numbers can't be worked
that
way.

OH? prove it... my mind works in ways you will never understand, and since we
were talking mental calculations, who are you to tell me I can't work things
in
a particular way in my own mind. (statement, not a question). All you can
question is the accuracy of my statement, and after the fact, I checked my
calculations on a calculator and found them correct.

If you wish, waste some time and prove me wrong...... nah, don't do that ....
even YOU won't understand what you're saying.

Shen

Subject: uffda.
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 03/12/2004 17:28 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

bull. there is no intuitive way to calculate the product of those numbers in
that way, any more than you can calc a 4th root of a number algabraicly with
a
pencil and paper.

Sorry Jax, but "intuitive" has nothing to do with it. As stated, it's a visual
memory thing that I do that has nothing to do with tricks of multiplication
..... it's very straight forward and simple (but probably beyond your limited
reasoning and visualization skills)

There ARE ways to calc that product in one's head, but not in the fashion you
claimed. None.

sorry, dude.

Hey, don't apologize. As stated, my method is beyond your abilities and
probable comprehension .... actually, I can't explain it to myself, other than
to say it's a visual memory thingy.

Shen

bull. not even remotely possible. there is no relationship between the
numbers and the product as you claim.

Or ...

.... would you like to make mention of the relationship?

We will wait no more than a few hours.

bull. there is no intuitive way to calculate the product of those numbers
in
that way, any more than you can calc a 4th root of a number algabraicly with
a
pencil and paper.

Sorry Jax, but "intuitive" has nothing to do with it. As stated, it's a
visual
memory thing that I do that has nothing to do with tricks of multiplication
.... it's very straight forward and simple (but probably beyond your limited
reasoning and visualization skills)

There ARE ways to calc that product in one's head, but not in the fashion
you
claimed. None.

sorry, dude.

Hey, don't apologize. As stated, my method is beyond your abilities and
probable comprehension .... actually, I can't explain it to myself, other
than
to say it's a visual memory thingy.

Shen

Subject: uffda.
From: (JAXAshby)

JAX, JAx, Jax .... first, you need to learn to think, then you need to learn to
think of possibilities and not be so concerned by doing things only by rote.
(might help you to understand how to take bearings using a magnetic compass).


bull. not even remotely possible. there is no relationship between the
numbers and the product as you claim.

The numbers, when strung together, created the correct total .... or didn't you
realize that? (oops, sorry ....question)



Or ...

... would you like to make mention of the relationship?

see above.


We will wait no more than a few hours.

Hell, the way you reason, it will be next week before you can see a possible
relationship.
Ya know, Jax, I'll bet you're the only one who didn't understand the
possibilities in my first post on this issue.

Shen

Subject: uffda.
From: (Shen44)
Date: 03/13/2004 09:14 Pacific Standard Time

JAX, JAx, Jax .... first, you need to learn to think, then you need to learn
to
think of possibilities and not be so concerned by doing things only by rote.
(might help you to understand how to take bearings using a magnetic compass).


bull. not even remotely possible. there is no relationship between the
numbers and the product as you claim.

The numbers, when strung together, created the correct total .... or didn't
you
realize that? (oops, sorry ....question)



Or ...

... would you like to make mention of the relationship?

see above.


We will wait no more than a few hours.

Hell, the way you reason, it will be next week before you can see a possible
relationship.
Ya know, Jax, I'll bet you're the only one who didn't understand the
possibilities in my first post on this issue.

Shen


Gee, I'm heartbroken ... no response from Jax.
Maybe he couldn't think of the possibilities .... like, people with
photographic memories (one possible term used to describe the method) can do
simple math in their heads with ease, or .....
like, he'd been "had" , and he'd jumped in with both feet and made another
"Ass" of himself ..... nah, I wouldn't do dat to ya Jaxie .... must be the
first one .... or ... maybe both EG.
Uh .... one thing. Before you try to use it as an excuse .... the numbers don't
have to relate in some mathametician's formula,they only need to relate in the
way they are remembered by the individual.
Later Dude.

Shen

I'm heartbroken ... no response

no valid response possible

Subject: uffda.
From: (JAXAshby)



no valid response possible



ROFL Never stopped you in the past!!

Shen

What's so hard about doing 4th roots with pencil and paper?



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
bull. there is no intuitive way to calculate the product of those numbers in
that way, any more than you can calc a 4th root of a number algabraicly with a
pencil and paper.

wanna show us how?

]okay group, watch now how jeffies blathers on for days telling us that what
with his degree in physics and all that he can do it easily. if I say he can
not he will get all snippy. he couldn't tell us how RDF worked how is he going
to tell us how to do 4th roots with pencil and paper.]

jeffies? do note the word algebraicly was there. in other words, SWAGing is
not the answer.

What's so hard about doing 4th roots with pencil and paper?



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
bull. there is no intuitive way to calculate the product of those numbers
in
that way, any more than you can calc a 4th root of a number algabraicly
with a
pencil and paper.

Well, I wouldn't say its so easy that jaxie can follow, but there are all sorts
of techniques that have been developed over the years. Computers don't use
"magic" to calculate complex functions, there are often just programmed to
follow algorithms developed many years ago by people like Newton. Jaxie forgets
that this is what I did for a living.

To compute a 4th root, using Newton's method:

Assume you want to compute x = a^(1/4)
Make a guess at the answer, call it x1. Then compute the next guess, x2, as
follows:
x2 = x1 - (x1^4 - a)/(4 * x1^3)
iterate again as
x3 = x2 - (x2^4 - a)/(4 * x2^3)

When the results get sufficiently close, you have an answer. Often only 3 or 4
iterations are needed. Similar techniques can be used to calculate the roots of
polynomials.

I used the square root version of this a number of times. In the days before
"Floating Point Units" in computers considerable time savings (a factor of 10 or
more) could be had by adjusting the algorithms to match the input data and
desired accuracy.




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
wanna show us how?

]okay group, watch now how jeffies blathers on for days telling us that what
with his degree in physics and all that he can do it easily. if I say he can
not he will get all snippy. he couldn't tell us how RDF worked how is he
going
to tell us how to do 4th roots with pencil and paper.]

jeffies? do note the word algebraicly was there. in other words, SWAGing is
not the answer.

What's so hard about doing 4th roots with pencil and paper?



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
bull. there is no intuitive way to calculate the product of those numbers
in
that way, any more than you can calc a 4th root of a number algabraicly
with a
pencil and paper.