See... I was right. He bought the piece of junk as is now trying to
justify the purchase.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Peter Wiley wrote:
*Yawn*. The logical conclusion is one you were told many times over. We
don't care.




"Yawn" is the response you would like to pretend is the case, but in my
experience, its not the truth. Boat owners I speak with DO concern
themselves with the fact that they pay their money to the marinas and
the insurance company and various other expenses, but can only sail
infrequently. Many of them seem to find their use tapering off over
time, and finally selling their boat after realizing they aren't using
it as they had anticipated. As I mentioned previously, I'm not saying
that this (time spent sailing per dollar spent) is the only, or even the
primary consideration. - Some people seem to enjoy owning a boat so that
they can talk about it on this ng. - But it is ONE factor that should be
taken into consideration, IMO.

I assume you've decided not to buy a boat sice you can't get anyone to
agree with your approach.

PDW

Nope. Wrong again.

Jim

Ok Dave... you're part of the club now.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:40:55 -0600, Jim Cate said:

Almost no one was willing to answer the question direclty.

If nobody wants to play your game, it's time to pick up your marbles and
go
home. Whining isn't going to make them want to play.


Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

"John Cairns" wrote in message
news

Owning a sailboat is not a "rational" decision, it
is just something that you do or don't do, depending mainly on how much
you
love to sail.



Wise words!


Boat ownership is nothing at all to do with money (for real sailors).



Regards


Donal
--

In article , Jonathan Ganz
wrote:

Nah, he already bought it and is looking for validation of his stupid
move.

Hey, you were right! He probably bought it before his first post here
and hasn't been able to bring himself to admit it.

I've never even seen one of these things, doubt they'd go well in
Hobart where we can get 40+ knots up the channel.

PDW

In article , Jim Cate
wrote:

Peter Wiley wrote:
*Yawn*. The logical conclusion is one you were told many times over. We
don't care.




"Yawn" is the response you would like to pretend is the case,

It *is* the case.

but in my
experience, its not the truth. Boat owners I speak with DO concern
themselves with the fact that they pay their money to the marinas and
the insurance company and various other expenses, but can only sail
infrequently.

Then they shouldn't have bought a boat, they should charter one when
they have time and let someone else wear the expenses when it's idle.

Many of them seem to find their use tapering off over
time, and finally selling their boat after realizing they aren't using
it as they had anticipated.

So what? I did this with SCUBA diving and a number of
otherhobbies/activities. Didn't stop me from doing them & enjoying
them. I didn't stop because of money tied up, I stopped because I
wanted to do something different. Hell, I own a 600 acre place in
another state that I get to a couple times a year. I don't bother
thinking about opportunity costs etc etc.

As I mentioned previously, I'm not saying
that this (time spent sailing per dollar spent) is the only, or even the
primary consideration. - Some people seem to enjoy owning a boat so that
they can talk about it on this ng. - But it is ONE factor that should be
taken into consideration, IMO.

Yeah - your opinion. Fact is, most of us here simply don't care. That
makes you the odd one out on this n/g. Your problem, IOW, not ours.
Find another n/g more simpatico rather than ranting here.

I assume you've decided not to buy a boat sice you can't get anyone to
agree with your approach.

PDW

Nope. Wrong again.

You *did* buy what everyone here advised against? Enjoy.........

PDW

Jim observed:

-- Many of them seem to find their use tapering off over
time, and finally selling their boat after realizing they aren't using
it as they had anticipated

None of those people are regulars here. Those are hobby sailors...they
haven't committed. And anyone who looks at sailing as a financial
proposition where you can get out fiscally solvent is a fool. It does
happen once in a while...we made a profit on both the O'Days...but in
reality, you're putting your money into the enjoyment of sailing and "being
there".
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Jim said: Otherwise they would simply ignore my comments and move on to
another
topic.

You gotta be kidding....ignore a newbie rube? You really need to read the
archives of this ng....I vote that you get the ASA Naivety Award for this
year...

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

YES

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
So are you claiming he's a dip**** or his post is dip****?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
it's called a 'post' ,dip****.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville PA __/)__/)__


"Jim Cate" wrote
From the responses to my note,

In article , Jim Cate
wrote:

katysails wrote:

New guy admited: The
logical conclusion is that this is an issue most sailors would prefer to
ignore.

Man, it sure takes you a long time to get the point....

From the responses to my note, its also obvious that it's a rather
sensitive issue that gets under the skin of several on the ng. -
Otherwise they would simply ignore my comments and move on to another
topic.

Good advice. Thing is, you're providing some entertainment and things
are a bit slow. When you get really boring, you'll know. I think it's
funny how you seem determined to see indifference as something else.

"See! See! They really *do* think it's an important issue and are just
in denial!!!!! If only they can admit their hidden feelings!!!! I'm
right, I know I'm right, I have to be right and all those people in the
n/g just have to be wrong!!!!"

Sometimes indifference is just indifference, Jim. We don't care. You
seem to care. We don't care that you care. Other people might care. We
don't care about that, either. Trying to attribute other motives or
feelings says more about you, frankly.

Even Jaxie makes more sense. Occasionally.

Why don't you just go sail your boat and stop posting here? Remember,
the more days you use it, the better value for money you've got.

PDW

In article , Donal
wrote:

"John Cairns" wrote in message
news

Owning a sailboat is not a "rational" decision, it
is just something that you do or don't do, depending mainly on how much
you
love to sail.



Wise words!


Boat ownership is nothing at all to do with money (for real sailors).

Spot on. The only relevance that money has is it determines how much
boat you can get your hands on, or what type. Friend of mine is quite
happy with his 38' ferro sloop, for example. It's a sound boat, cost
him little and will sell for less, a fact he knew up front. Meanwhile
he's sailing.

PDW