hey 'new guy', why would you call Katy an 'old guy'?

SV

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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This old guy wrote:

katysails wrote:
This new guy said: one of the brokers I spoke

with last week bragged that the owner of that boat had only taken the
boat out some 10-12 times in the past ten years.


Number 1, stop listening to brokers. There are only a very few honest
brokers out there...the rest are tantamount to used car salesmen ir Kirby
vacuum cleaner salesmen. Number 2, who cares how often the boat was taken
out per year? The important thing is: as the boat well maintained and will
it go through a sound survey? Number 3, stop looking at sailboats as
investments. For the average sailor, they are a hobby...something nice and
fun to do when you're not working or putting a new roof on your hou
se. When you do get a boat, sail it as much as you personally can, and
then when you move up or away or whatever, hope that the new owner finds as
much enjoyment and pleasure in it as you did.


Hey old guy. - Do you know the meaning of the term: "for example"? My
observation that the boats in our area are seldom taken sailed was based
on discussions with various boat owners and from observations of the
small number of boats that are sailing in the bay here, even on weekends
and in good weather, compared with the thousands of boats sitting in
their slips. The reference to the discussion with this particular broker
was intended only as an example of what I was talking about.

The point is that if nearly all owners of such boats find that they
don't continue to sail their boats as often as they thought when they
bought them, and if, in fact, they are only able to get out very
infrequently, perhaps I should take this into consider as ONE FACTOR,
among OTHERS, when looking at boats.

Like, how often have you had your boat out in the last six months old
guy?

Jim

Scotty asked: hey 'new guy', why would you call Katy an 'old guy'?

Scotty...it's pretty eveidnet that I am one of the old "guys"...I don't =
think he meant it as a gender specific term....


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Oh, OK mister.

SV

"katysails" wrote in message
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Scotty asked: hey 'new guy', why would you call Katy an 'old guy'?

Scotty...it's pretty eveidnet that I am one of the old "guys"...I don't
think he meant it as a gender specific term....


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Scotty said: Oh, OK mister.

That's "Master" to you, bub.

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katysails wrote:
Scotty asked: hey 'new guy', why would you call Katy an 'old guy'?

Scotty...it's pretty eveidnet that I am one of the old "guys"...I don't think he meant it as a gender specific term....



I would probably be classified as an "old guy" also, since I'm nearing
retirement. Presumably, I will have more free time to spend on a boat
in the next few years, but somewhat less money.

Regarding the initial question, I notice that there weren't very many
responses assuring me that most boat owners sail frequently and
therefore get their money's worth from their boats. Is this a sensitive
subject that most sailors don't want to talk about?

Jim

"Jim Cate" wrote


Regarding the initial question, I notice that there weren't very many
responses assuring me that most boat owners sail frequently and
therefore get their money's worth from their boats. Is this a sensitive
subject that most sailors don't want to talk about?

No, quite frankly Jim, it's a stupid question. What does it matter how much
time other people spend on their boat? Are you a sheep? A buddy who had a
power boat used to keep track of what he spent and how much time he used it.
He sold it after 2 years claiming, ''it just isn't worth it''.

Sailing, for most of us, is a passion, not a business. What price do you put
on that perfect sunny, breezy day out on the water, or a moonlit night sail,
or that secluded quiet anchorage watching the sun set?
Sensitive subject? Hell yes!


Scott Vernon
Plowville PA __/)__/)__

And by the way, new guy Jim, it's "Kate", not Cate...someone spelled =
your last name wrong!

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katysails wrote:

And by the way, new guy Jim, it's "Kate", not Cate...someone spelled your last name wrong!

Sorry,
Jim

Scott Vernon wrote:
"Jim Cate" wrote


Regarding the initial question, I notice that there weren't very many
responses assuring me that most boat owners sail frequently and
therefore get their money's worth from their boats. Is this a sensitive
subject that most sailors don't want to talk about?


No, quite frankly Jim, it's a stupid question. What does it matter how much
time other people spend on their boat? Are you a sheep? A buddy who had a
power boat used to keep track of what he spent and how much time he used it.
He sold it after 2 years claiming, ''it just isn't worth it''.

Sailing, for most of us, is a passion, not a business. What price do you put
on that perfect sunny, breezy day out on the water, or a moonlit night sail,
or that secluded quiet anchorage watching the sun set?
Sensitive subject? Hell yes!


Scott Vernon
Plowville PA __/)__/)__


It may be a stupid question in your opinion, but in my opinion, it's a
very logical, sensible, and relevant question. According to your
"logic", if I spend $30K to $40K on a boat and it turns out that I can
only sail the boat two or three times a year, but if on one of those
trips I see a moonlit night, or experience a sunny breeze on the water,
it's all worth it? Maybe, but I can charter a number of different boats
of various sizes for a few hundred dollars and see all the moonlit
nights and sunny days and secluded anchorage's I want to.

Incidentally, please don't quote me as saying what I didn't say. What I
said was: IF NEARLY ALL owners of such boats find that they don't
continue to sail their boats as often as they thought when they bought
them, and IF, in fact, they are only able to get out very infrequently,
perhaps I should take this into consider as ONE FACTOR, among OTHERS,
when looking at boats. Please note: ONE FACTOR AMONG OTHERS. You may
think that I have a problem in making a decision and going ahead with
it. Not at all. But in this case, I have only been looking at boats for
about two weeks. Also, I will probably need my wife's participation, so
the boat has to be appealing to her as well.

In other words, before committing $30-$40K, plus future maintenance,
dock fees, insurance, etc., to this interest (which in my case is one of
many interests), it seems only reasonable to consider the experience of
others when going down the same path. I'm not questioning chasing a
dream and looking for those sunny days or moonlit nights, but that
doesn't mean that I should make precipitous decisions or spend this
kind of money irrationally (if, in fact, it's probably the case that I
won't get what I expect to get from the boat) that could otherwise go to
a number of other worthwhile purposes. - Like, as one example, helping
children who would otherwise starve to death or die of dysentery, etc.

Jim

Jim,
Maybe you had best charter. You're looking upon buying a boat as =
purchasing a thing, rather than an experience. Maybe you should set =
your sites lower and buy a small sailboat that is inexpensive so that =
you can start from scratch and develop the experience...

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