How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

Ahhh, Finally, we have it. YOU are a product of GPS. YOU don't know
anything about navigation. YOU only know how to read a GPS. YOU will go
into a panic if you don't know your position to a few feet, by your GPS.
YOU don't know how RDF was used or could be used. YOU don't know how to
use celestial. YOU don't know how to use a compass. YOU are a rank
amateur who prowls the boat shows and reads the magazines, and sometimes
acts as crew, because YOU don't know anything about boating, except what
you read or hear from other people. YOU are a total phony !!!

comments interspersed below:

JAXAshby wrote:
an *this* was accurate to what??

Totally depended on the equipment, operator, and/or conditions. A
"navigator" would know how much credence he could apply to the
particular bearing and/or fix. This was part of navigating ....
something you don't have the knowledge or experience to understand....
you're a "gypser"

2 degrees? 5 degrees? what the hell knows how many degrees?

G see above

dude, wandering around in unknown waters with a obstacles nearby using an RDF
was stew ped. That *you* might have survived means only that *you* were lucky,
NOT fricken smart.

Jax, you've never done it .... you don't know whether it could or could
not be done.

Get over it, AND thank your lucky stars.

Get over it, Jax. You never were and never will be, a "navigator". You
have neither the mental capacity nor the basic abilities, to be one.


otn

okay, besides where the signal came from, over the nee, what else does the

RDF

equipment tell _you_?



And again, you're too stupid to understand or be able to make any use of
that information.
Keep reading the Bowditch, Jax

I see you are trying to make some stupid "Jax" point here, so I'll bite.
In the days when we were all making use of RDF (either for a fix or a
homing beacon or danger bearing) the "equipment" told us three possible
things: Station identity, relative bearing, or true bearing, to the tower.

Are you looking for something else?

otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

JAXAshby wrote:
I've used them on ships


*that* of course is exactly the same as a recreational sailboat.

Nope, but you don't have enough knowledge to know that, cause, .....it
could be.



I had one on my 26' Contessa,


yes, of course. that explains all.

Nope, but you wouldn't understand what it DOES explain.


which I was
able to use to get some relatively accurate fixes (at least accurate
enough for my needs).


sure, plus or minus 100%, distance. good enough to miss the granite ledges 60
yards away, right?

ROFLMAO .... further confirmation that you don't KNOW or UNDERSTAND
marine navigation. YOU are AGAIN a product of GPS !! YOU don't know or
understand how to navigate, unless you are guaranteed a position, to
within inches or feet.
Stay on the dock, Jax. You're an amateur buffoon, kinda like the idiot I
watched coming into port this afternoon. (small IO, coming from sea and
heading for Port Hueneme [private boats are not allowed in Port
Hueneme]. I bet everyone he had set his GPS waypoint to PH seabuoy and
would then take a heading to Channel Islands harbor .... even though he
could see it. He did, but like Jax, wasn't sure, so he made a round turn
and finally headed off .... course, the fact that he could see me coming
at him with zero concern as to where he was may have affected his
decision to bugaloo west.

otn


otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

JAXAshby wrote:
oh?

Yeah ...all one has to do, is read your post.

otn



jeffies, you said it all with:



I haven't used RDF


that we knew when you said it was accurate on a recreational sailboat to 2
degrees.



Everything I knew about RDF came from the Ray-Jeff manual,


if you hd paid attention, and thought things through, you would not have

been

plowing through the granite ledges blindly in fog trusting your RDF to keep

you

safe.

God takes care of fools and little children, jeffies. you got lucky.

other

people didn't.



Jax ....Again .... all you know is what you read. YOU have little or
NO practical experience!!!

otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

That you're an idiot? It's obvious.

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"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
so, you wanna explain it to us?

From: "Jonathan Ganz"
Date: 3/7/2004 9:23 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

I understand you're an idiot.

--
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www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
which word couldn't you understand?

As soon as you figure out what you're trying to say, type it in.

--
"j" ganz @@

How many beers before jaxie starts to make sense?
 

Thom,
Is this what I have to look forward to? No wonder you drink!

Have one on me,
Jeff


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Jeff,

The Noon sight would still have to be averaged as with a sextant. I
thought I took enough time.

About checking your fist and knuckles. It is done very easy. Stand in
the corner of a room, extend your fist and check how many fist it takes
to get 90 Degrees. (Two walls)

Give it a try. Its fun. Also telling time. A good estimate of time to
sunset. When the wind stops give you something to do. When your becalmed
the mast give a pretty good vertical reference point.

Ole Thom

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...

sure, plus or minus 100%, distance. good enough to miss the granite ledges 60
yards away, right?

I guess you slept through the class where they explained how to get distance off
from a radiobeacon.

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
an *this* was accurate to what??

2 degrees? 5 degrees? what the hell knows how many degrees?

dude, wandering around in unknown waters with a obstacles nearby using an RDF
was stew ped. That *you* might have survived means only that *you* were
lucky,
NOT fricken smart.

Get over it, AND thank your lucky stars.

Jaxie has just declared that it was impossible to cruise New England waters
before the invention of GPS! Maybe that explains why there are no boats in
Yarmouth, Freeport, Harpswell, Cundy's, Robinhood, Booth Bay, Linekin, Pemiquid,
Friendship, Muscongus, Tenant's, Rockland, Rockport, Camden, Belfast, Searsport,
Castine, North Haven, Vinalhaven, Stonington, Brooklin, Blue Hill, Swans Island,
Isle au Haut, Criehaven, Matinicus, Frenchboro, Bass Harbor, Southwest Harbor,
Northeast Harbor, Cranberry Harbor ... And that's before you actually get
"Downeast!"

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message ...
Have you any idea what the term "ellipse of uncertainty" means?


Sure, yours is of galactic proportions!

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

no, over the nee, I am going to let you twist slowly in the wind. I know why
you are lost in a fog but you don't. I asked you explain how RDF equipment
works and you don't have a clew. you and jeffies are huffing and puffing in
the sandbox. if you were big enough to wear a jockstrap you wouldn't be
bragging about maybe someday owning one.

But I will give you a hint as to what to consider in trying to understand why
RDF is less accurate by far than you guys are claiming. Think, "dinner plate".

OK, Jax, oh great boat show navigator....tell us how RDF works.
I need a good laugh.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
kinda a strange way, jeffies, for you to tell us you were unable to google
enough info to back up your claim that you have known for years how RDF
works.


Stay away from Maine, "Turn-Back-Jaxie," its way too scary for you! If you
thought the "rocks" at Hatteras were so scary you wanted to turn back, you
have
no business cruising where there are real rocks!

BOO!

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

over the nee huffing in the sandbox tells us that is almost big enough for his
mommy to buy him a jockstrap because he starts junior high school in two and a
half years thusly:

Ahhh, Finally, we have it. YOU are a product of GPS. YOU don't know
anything about navigation. YOU only know how to read a GPS. YOU will go
into a panic if you don't know your position to a few feet, by your GPS.
YOU don't know how RDF was used or could be used. YOU don't know how to
use celestial. YOU don't know how to use a compass. YOU are a rank
amateur who prowls the boat shows and reads the magazines, and sometimes
acts as crew, because YOU don't know anything about boating, except what
you read or hear from other people. YOU are a total phony !!!

comments interspersed below:

JAXAshby wrote:
an *this* was accurate to what??

Totally depended on the equipment, operator, and/or conditions. A
"navigator" would know how much credence he could apply to the
particular bearing and/or fix. This was part of navigating ....
something you don't have the knowledge or experience to understand....
you're a "gypser"

2 degrees? 5 degrees? what the hell knows how many degrees?

G see above

dude, wandering around in unknown waters with a obstacles nearby using an
RDF
was stew ped. That *you* might have survived means only that *you* were
lucky,
NOT fricken smart.

Jax, you've never done it .... you don't know whether it could or could
not be done.

Get over it, AND thank your lucky stars.

Get over it, Jax. You never were and never will be, a "navigator". You
have neither the mental capacity nor the basic abilities, to be one.


otn

okay, besides where the signal came from, over the nee, what else does
the

RDF

equipment tell _you_?



And again, you're too stupid to understand or be able to make any use of
that information.
Keep reading the Bowditch, Jax

I see you are trying to make some stupid "Jax" point here, so I'll bite.
In the days when we were all making use of RDF (either for a fix or a
homing beacon or danger bearing) the "equipment" told us three possible
things: Station identity, relative bearing, or true bearing, to the tower.

Are you looking for something else?

otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

no, I was actually saying that wandering around in a fog using RDF where a nav
error of 6 or 10 or 15 degrees could sink your boat is stew ped, and if you
happened to survive well you were lucky. Others weren't.

I was also wondering just how you used the paper sextant you claimed you had in
a fog without the moisture making it come apart (nevermind how you used a
sextant in a fog at all).

if you believe in a God at all jeffies, you should fall down on your knees and
pray thanksgiving for Him saving your sorry butt from your own dumbness.

an *this* was accurate to what??

2 degrees? 5 degrees? what the hell knows how many degrees?

dude, wandering around in unknown waters with a obstacles nearby using an
RDF
was stew ped. That *you* might have survived means only that *you* were
lucky,
NOT fricken smart.

Get over it, AND thank your lucky stars.

Jaxie has just declared that it was impossible to cruise New England waters
before the invention of GPS! Maybe that explains why there are no boats in
Yarmouth, Freeport, Harpswell, Cundy's, Robinhood, Booth Bay, Linekin,
Pemiquid,
Friendship, Muscongus, Tenant's, Rockland, Rockport, Camden, Belfast,
Searsport,
Castine, North Haven, Vinalhaven, Stonington, Brooklin, Blue Hill, Swans
Island,
Isle au Haut, Criehaven, Matinicus, Frenchboro, Bass Harbor, Southwest
Harbor,
Northeast Harbor, Cranberry Harbor ... And that's before you actually get
"Downeast!"

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

over the nee, you are incoherant. sleep it off.

I've used them on ships


*that* of course is exactly the same as a recreational sailboat.

Nope, but you don't have enough knowledge to know that, cause, .....it
could be.



I had one on my 26' Contessa,


yes, of course. that explains all.

Nope, but you wouldn't understand what it DOES explain.


which I was
able to use to get some relatively accurate fixes (at least accurate
enough for my needs).


sure, plus or minus 100%, distance. good enough to miss the granite ledges
60
yards away, right?

ROFLMAO .... further confirmation that you don't KNOW or UNDERSTAND
marine navigation. YOU are AGAIN a product of GPS !! YOU don't know or
understand how to navigate, unless you are guaranteed a position, to
within inches or feet.
Stay on the dock, Jax. You're an amateur buffoon, kinda like the idiot I
watched coming into port this afternoon. (small IO, coming from sea and
heading for Port Hueneme [private boats are not allowed in Port
Hueneme]. I bet everyone he had set his GPS waypoint to PH seabuoy and
would then take a heading to Channel Islands harbor .... even though he
could see it. He did, but like Jax, wasn't sure, so he made a round turn
and finally headed off .... course, the fact that he could see me coming
at him with zero concern as to where he was may have affected his
decision to bugaloo west.

otn


otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

an you slept through the class where accuracy was explained.

Have you any idea what the term "ellipse of uncertainty" means?

obviously not.
sure, plus or minus 100%, distance. good enough to miss the granite ledges
60
yards away, right?

I guess you slept through the class where they explained how to get distance
off
from a radiobeacon.

How many beers before jaxie starts to make sense?
 

Jeff,

It could be. In old age you do find a lot of uses for the FIST! :^)

OT

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

Could you please explain how you graduated from jr. high. I think
it would be of great interest to the idiots other than yourself.

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www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
no, over the nee, I am going to let you twist slowly in the wind. I know
why
you are lost in a fog but you don't. I asked you explain how RDF
equipment
works and you don't have a clew. you and jeffies are huffing and puffing
in
the sandbox. if you were big enough to wear a jockstrap you wouldn't be
bragging about maybe someday owning one.

But I will give you a hint as to what to consider in trying to understand
why
RDF is less accurate by far than you guys are claiming. Think, "dinner
plate".

OK, Jax, oh great boat show navigator....tell us how RDF works.
I need a good laugh.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
kinda a strange way, jeffies, for you to tell us you were unable to
google
enough info to back up your claim that you have known for years how RDF
works.


Stay away from Maine, "Turn-Back-Jaxie," its way too scary for you! If
you
thought the "rocks" at Hatteras were so scary you wanted to turn back,
you
have
no business cruising where there are real rocks!

BOO!

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

okay, explain your understanding of the term. make mention as to why it is
important in terms of traveling around granite ledges.

Have you any idea what the term "ellipse of uncertainty" means?


Sure, yours is of galactic proportions!

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

So, just let me make sure I understand you. Are you saying that 6, 10, or
15 degrees could sink your boat? I believe many boats sail with these
figures.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
no, I was actually saying that wandering around in a fog using RDF where a
nav
error of 6 or 10 or 15 degrees could sink your boat is stew ped, and if
you
happened to survive well you were lucky. Others weren't.

I was also wondering just how you used the paper sextant you claimed you
had in
a fog without the moisture making it come apart (nevermind how you used a
sextant in a fog at all).

if you believe in a God at all jeffies, you should fall down on your knees
and
pray thanksgiving for Him saving your sorry butt from your own dumbness.

an *this* was accurate to what??

2 degrees? 5 degrees? what the hell knows how many degrees?

dude, wandering around in unknown waters with a obstacles nearby using
an
RDF
was stew ped. That *you* might have survived means only that *you*
were
lucky,
NOT fricken smart.

Get over it, AND thank your lucky stars.

Jaxie has just declared that it was impossible to cruise New England
waters
before the invention of GPS! Maybe that explains why there are no boats
in
Yarmouth, Freeport, Harpswell, Cundy's, Robinhood, Booth Bay, Linekin,
Pemiquid,
Friendship, Muscongus, Tenant's, Rockland, Rockport, Camden, Belfast,
Searsport,
Castine, North Haven, Vinalhaven, Stonington, Brooklin, Blue Hill, Swans
Island,
Isle au Haut, Criehaven, Matinicus, Frenchboro, Bass Harbor, Southwest
Harbor,
Northeast Harbor, Cranberry Harbor ... And that's before you actually get
"Downeast!"

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

Sure. "Galactic Proportions" is about 100,000 light years. It means that your
brain (a granite ledge) may be found somewhere within that. Or maybe not.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
okay, explain your understanding of the term. make mention as to why it is
important in terms of traveling around granite ledges.

Have you any idea what the term "ellipse of uncertainty" means?


Sure, yours is of galactic proportions!

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

JAXAshby wrote:
no, over the nee, I am going to let you twist slowly in the wind. I know why
you are lost in a fog but you don't. I asked you explain how RDF equipment
works and you don't have a clew. you and jeffies are huffing and puffing in
the sandbox. if you were big enough to wear a jockstrap you wouldn't be
bragging about maybe someday owning one.

But I will give you a hint as to what to consider in trying to understand why
RDF is less accurate by far than you guys are claiming. Think, "dinner plate".

Jax, if you want some long winded technical discussion on radio waves,
loop antennas, etc., go read the book ....again.
The subject at hand here, is making use of the information, received,
knowing it's limitations, knowing the corrections which may need to be
applied, and translating that information into a useful navigation tool
as it was used in the past, to make approaches to land and/or avoid dangers.
Once again, you need to go back and re-read the section on possible
accuracy, then try and comprehend how a navigator might incorporate that
possible error into his route planning or navigation.
As I've said before and will continue to say, you are a product of GPS,
with no real sense of what is going on around you .... you may know what
the book says, but you don't understand how to use it.

otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

JAXAshby wrote:
over the nee huffing in the sandbox tells us that is almost big enough for his
mommy to buy him a jockstrap because he starts junior high school in two and a
half years thusly:


BG So .... in other words, I "hit the nail on the head" and drove it
home with one whack.

otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

Doubtful.

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www.sailnow.com

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
Sure. "Galactic Proportions" is about 100,000 light years. It means that
your
brain (a granite ledge) may be found somewhere within that. Or maybe
not.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
okay, explain your understanding of the term. make mention as to why it
is
important in terms of traveling around granite ledges.

Have you any idea what the term "ellipse of uncertainty" means?


Sure, yours is of galactic proportions!

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

twisting slowly in the wind.

no, over the nee, I am going to let you twist slowly in the wind. I know
why
you are lost in a fog but you don't. I asked you explain how RDF equipment
works and you don't have a clew. you and jeffies are huffing and puffing
in
the sandbox. if you were big enough to wear a jockstrap you wouldn't be
bragging about maybe someday owning one.

But I will give you a hint as to what to consider in trying to understand
why
RDF is less accurate by far than you guys are claiming. Think, "dinner
plate".

Jax, if you want some long winded technical discussion on radio waves,
loop antennas, etc., go read the book ....again.
The subject at hand here, is making use of the information, received,
knowing it's limitations, knowing the corrections which may need to be
applied, and translating that information into a useful navigation tool
as it was used in the past, to make approaches to land and/or avoid dangers.
Once again, you need to go back and re-read the section on possible
accuracy, then try and comprehend how a navigator might incorporate that
possible error into his route planning or navigation.
As I've said before and will continue to say, you are a product of GPS,
with no real sense of what is going on around you .... you may know what
the book says, but you don't understand how to use it.

otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

jeffies, you are one of the nattering nobobs of nowhere.

Sure. "Galactic Proportions" is about 100,000 light years. It means that
your
brain (a granite ledge) may be found somewhere within that. Or maybe not.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
okay, explain your understanding of the term. make mention as to why it is
important in terms of traveling around granite ledges.

Have you any idea what the term "ellipse of uncertainty" means?


Sure, yours is of galactic proportions!

Nattering Nabobs of Nowhere
 

So far, NNN = over the nee, jeffies and joony

not one of them could find his ass in the dark even with an RDF.

Butt I, boys and girls would have no problem sniffing out there asses
in the dark. Soon.

JAXie

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

You're cracking me up jaxie ... what are you going to reveal? That no one ever
used RDF? That no one ever cruised before GPS was invented?

Are you going to deny that government publications say accuracy can be as good
as 2 degrees? You've been trying to say I claimed 2 degrees, but I said "I
generally assumed I'd get no better the 5 degrees." You keep talking about
granite ledges but I said I used it when running down the coast or for
approaches. You do know what an "approach" is? No? I didn't think so.

So what ... are you going to show the accuracy was only 6 or 7 degrees? Or
that sometimes signals were bent by shoreline affect? None of this matters when
you're using it to home in on an offshore light. The bottom line is the RDF was
the best tool we had for certain purposes. Everybody understood that it had
limitations, but we also knew how to use it.

So while we're talking about "twisting slowly in the wind" you still haven't
explain why you thought you were 10 miles off course when you had 3 GPS's on
board?



"JAXAshby" is ...
twisting slowly in the wind.

no, over the nee, I am going to let you twist slowly in the wind. I know
why
you are lost in a fog but you don't. I asked you explain how RDF equipment
works and you don't have a clew. you and jeffies are huffing and puffing
in
the sandbox. if you were big enough to wear a jockstrap you wouldn't be
bragging about maybe someday owning one.

But I will give you a hint as to what to consider in trying to understand
why
RDF is less accurate by far than you guys are claiming. Think, "dinner
plate".

Jax, if you want some long winded technical discussion on radio waves,
loop antennas, etc., go read the book ....again.
The subject at hand here, is making use of the information, received,
knowing it's limitations, knowing the corrections which may need to be
applied, and translating that information into a useful navigation tool
as it was used in the past, to make approaches to land and/or avoid dangers.
Once again, you need to go back and re-read the section on possible
accuracy, then try and comprehend how a navigator might incorporate that
possible error into his route planning or navigation.
As I've said before and will continue to say, you are a product of GPS,
with no real sense of what is going on around you .... you may know what
the book says, but you don't understand how to use it.

otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

jeffies, you can't even explain how RDF works, yet you "read somewhere" that it
"can be" accurate to 2*, and **you** KNOW it is accurate to 6*.

you are one of the Nattering Nabobs of Nowhere, jeffies, a dolt.

You're cracking me up jaxie ... what are you going to reveal? That no one
ever
used RDF? That no one ever cruised before GPS was invented?

Are you going to deny that government publications say accuracy can be as
good
as 2 degrees? You've been trying to say I claimed 2 degrees, but I said "I
generally assumed I'd get no better the 5 degrees." You keep talking about
granite ledges but I said I used it when running down the coast or for
approaches. You do know what an "approach" is? No? I didn't think so.

So what ... are you going to show the accuracy was only 6 or 7 degrees? Or
that sometimes signals were bent by shoreline affect? None of this matters
when
you're using it to home in on an offshore light. The bottom line is the RDF
was
the best tool we had for certain purposes. Everybody understood that it had
limitations, but we also knew how to use it.

So while we're talking about "twisting slowly in the wind" you still haven't
explain why you thought you were 10 miles off course when you had 3 GPS's on
board?



"JAXAshby" is ...
twisting slowly in the wind.

no, over the nee, I am going to let you twist slowly in the wind. I
know
why
you are lost in a fog but you don't. I asked you explain how RDF
equipment
works and you don't have a clew. you and jeffies are huffing and
puffing
in
the sandbox. if you were big enough to wear a jockstrap you wouldn't be
bragging about maybe someday owning one.

But I will give you a hint as to what to consider in trying to
understand
why
RDF is less accurate by far than you guys are claiming. Think, "dinner
plate".

Jax, if you want some long winded technical discussion on radio waves,
loop antennas, etc., go read the book ....again.
The subject at hand here, is making use of the information, received,
knowing it's limitations, knowing the corrections which may need to be
applied, and translating that information into a useful navigation tool
as it was used in the past, to make approaches to land and/or avoid
dangers.
Once again, you need to go back and re-read the section on possible
accuracy, then try and comprehend how a navigator might incorporate that
possible error into his route planning or navigation.
As I've said before and will continue to say, you are a product of GPS,
with no real sense of what is going on around you .... you may know what
the book says, but you don't understand how to use it.

otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

Why should I explain it to you? Why does anyone care? No one doubts that RDF
was commonly used, and no one really cares whether I used it. You're just trying
to lay a trap, but its as transparent as your other junior high school ploys.

But you can explain two things to us - why are you so terrified of the concept
of sailing without GPS, and why were you lost when you had 3 GPS's on board?


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you can't even explain how RDF works, yet you "read somewhere" that
it
"can be" accurate to 2*, and **you** KNOW it is accurate to 6*.

you are one of the Nattering Nabobs of Nowhere, jeffies, a dolt.

You're cracking me up jaxie ... what are you going to reveal? That no one
ever
used RDF? That no one ever cruised before GPS was invented?

Are you going to deny that government publications say accuracy can be as
good
as 2 degrees? You've been trying to say I claimed 2 degrees, but I said "I
generally assumed I'd get no better the 5 degrees." You keep talking about
granite ledges but I said I used it when running down the coast or for
approaches. You do know what an "approach" is? No? I didn't think so.

So what ... are you going to show the accuracy was only 6 or 7 degrees? Or
that sometimes signals were bent by shoreline affect? None of this matters
when
you're using it to home in on an offshore light. The bottom line is the RDF
was
the best tool we had for certain purposes. Everybody understood that it had
limitations, but we also knew how to use it.

So while we're talking about "twisting slowly in the wind" you still haven't
explain why you thought you were 10 miles off course when you had 3 GPS's on
board?



"JAXAshby" is ...
twisting slowly in the wind.

no, over the nee, I am going to let you twist slowly in the wind. I
know
why
you are lost in a fog but you don't. I asked you explain how RDF
equipment
works and you don't have a clew. you and jeffies are huffing and
puffing
in
the sandbox. if you were big enough to wear a jockstrap you wouldn't be
bragging about maybe someday owning one.

But I will give you a hint as to what to consider in trying to
understand
why
RDF is less accurate by far than you guys are claiming. Think, "dinner
plate".

Jax, if you want some long winded technical discussion on radio waves,
loop antennas, etc., go read the book ....again.
The subject at hand here, is making use of the information, received,
knowing it's limitations, knowing the corrections which may need to be
applied, and translating that information into a useful navigation tool
as it was used in the past, to make approaches to land and/or avoid
dangers.
Once again, you need to go back and re-read the section on possible
accuracy, then try and comprehend how a navigator might incorporate that
possible error into his route planning or navigation.
As I've said before and will continue to say, you are a product of GPS,
with no real sense of what is going on around you .... you may know what
the book says, but you don't understand how to use it.

otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

keep going, jeffies. 2*, eh? 5*? 6*

you did not then, and do not now, have a clew WTF you said.

I suggest you bone up on your back peddling skills. Soon, you will need them.

RDF is simple, jeffies, and you couldn't even find diddly on it even by
googling. If, on the other hand, you knew how it worked you wouldn't have made
your dumb statements, would you.

Why should I explain it to you? Why does anyone care? No one doubts that
RDF
was commonly used, and no one really cares whether I used it. You're just
trying
to lay a trap, but its as transparent as your other junior high school ploys.

But you can explain two things to us - why are you so terrified of the
concept
of sailing without GPS, and why were you lost when you had 3 GPS's on board?


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you can't even explain how RDF works, yet you "read somewhere"
that
it
"can be" accurate to 2*, and **you** KNOW it is accurate to 6*.

you are one of the Nattering Nabobs of Nowhere, jeffies, a dolt.

You're cracking me up jaxie ... what are you going to reveal? That no one
ever
used RDF? That no one ever cruised before GPS was invented?

Are you going to deny that government publications say accuracy can be as
good
as 2 degrees? You've been trying to say I claimed 2 degrees, but I said
"I
generally assumed I'd get no better the 5 degrees." You keep talking
about
granite ledges but I said I used it when running down the coast or for
approaches. You do know what an "approach" is? No? I didn't think so.

So what ... are you going to show the accuracy was only 6 or 7 degrees?
Or
that sometimes signals were bent by shoreline affect? None of this
matters
when
you're using it to home in on an offshore light. The bottom line is the
RDF
was
the best tool we had for certain purposes. Everybody understood that it
had
limitations, but we also knew how to use it.

So while we're talking about "twisting slowly in the wind" you still
haven't
explain why you thought you were 10 miles off course when you had 3 GPS's
on
board?



"JAXAshby" is ...
twisting slowly in the wind.

no, over the nee, I am going to let you twist slowly in the wind. I
know
why
you are lost in a fog but you don't. I asked you explain how RDF
equipment
works and you don't have a clew. you and jeffies are huffing and
puffing
in
the sandbox. if you were big enough to wear a jockstrap you wouldn't
be
bragging about maybe someday owning one.

But I will give you a hint as to what to consider in trying to
understand
why
RDF is less accurate by far than you guys are claiming. Think,
"dinner
plate".

Jax, if you want some long winded technical discussion on radio waves,
loop antennas, etc., go read the book ....again.
The subject at hand here, is making use of the information, received,
knowing it's limitations, knowing the corrections which may need to be
applied, and translating that information into a useful navigation tool
as it was used in the past, to make approaches to land and/or avoid
dangers.
Once again, you need to go back and re-read the section on possible
accuracy, then try and comprehend how a navigator might incorporate
that
possible error into his route planning or navigation.
As I've said before and will continue to say, you are a product of GPS,
with no real sense of what is going on around you .... you may know
what
the book says, but you don't understand how to use it.

otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

Why should I google it? You've obviously been doing that for two days now.
But even so, you had no idea it could be used for distance off. You had no idea
you could combine a RDF LOP with an other type of line. You had no idea you
could use two different radiobeacons. And you don't even know what an
"approach" is. Pretty pathetic, jaxie. What have you ever done on a boat other
than hang over the side?

Come on Jaxie - Why are you so terrified of being with GPS? Why were you lost?
If 3 isn't enough, how many GPS's do you need to find Cape Hatteras?


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
keep going, jeffies. 2*, eh? 5*? 6*

you did not then, and do not now, have a clew WTF you said.

I suggest you bone up on your back peddling skills. Soon, you will need them.

RDF is simple, jeffies, and you couldn't even find diddly on it even by
googling. If, on the other hand, you knew how it worked you wouldn't have
made
your dumb statements, would you.

Why should I explain it to you? Why does anyone care? No one doubts that
RDF
was commonly used, and no one really cares whether I used it. You're just
trying
to lay a trap, but its as transparent as your other junior high school ploys.

But you can explain two things to us - why are you so terrified of the
concept
of sailing without GPS, and why were you lost when you had 3 GPS's on board?


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you can't even explain how RDF works, yet you "read somewhere"
that
it
"can be" accurate to 2*, and **you** KNOW it is accurate to 6*.

you are one of the Nattering Nabobs of Nowhere, jeffies, a dolt.

You're cracking me up jaxie ... what are you going to reveal? That no one
ever
used RDF? That no one ever cruised before GPS was invented?

Are you going to deny that government publications say accuracy can be as
good
as 2 degrees? You've been trying to say I claimed 2 degrees, but I said
"I
generally assumed I'd get no better the 5 degrees." You keep talking
about
granite ledges but I said I used it when running down the coast or for
approaches. You do know what an "approach" is? No? I didn't think so.

So what ... are you going to show the accuracy was only 6 or 7 degrees?
Or
that sometimes signals were bent by shoreline affect? None of this
matters
when
you're using it to home in on an offshore light. The bottom line is the
RDF
was
the best tool we had for certain purposes. Everybody understood that it
had
limitations, but we also knew how to use it.

So while we're talking about "twisting slowly in the wind" you still
haven't
explain why you thought you were 10 miles off course when you had 3 GPS's
on
board?



"JAXAshby" is ...
twisting slowly in the wind.

no, over the nee, I am going to let you twist slowly in the wind. I
know
why
you are lost in a fog but you don't. I asked you explain how RDF
equipment
works and you don't have a clew. you and jeffies are huffing and
puffing
in
the sandbox. if you were big enough to wear a jockstrap you wouldn't
be
bragging about maybe someday owning one.

But I will give you a hint as to what to consider in trying to
understand
why
RDF is less accurate by far than you guys are claiming. Think,
"dinner
plate".

Jax, if you want some long winded technical discussion on radio waves,
loop antennas, etc., go read the book ....again.
The subject at hand here, is making use of the information, received,
knowing it's limitations, knowing the corrections which may need to be
applied, and translating that information into a useful navigation tool
as it was used in the past, to make approaches to land and/or avoid
dangers.
Once again, you need to go back and re-read the section on possible
accuracy, then try and comprehend how a navigator might incorporate
that
possible error into his route planning or navigation.
As I've said before and will continue to say, you are a product of GPS,
with no real sense of what is going on around you .... you may know
what
the book says, but you don't understand how to use it.

otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

I don't think paraphrasing Agnew is going to add to your credibility
(as though you have any!)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you can't even explain how RDF works, yet you "read somewhere"
that it
"can be" accurate to 2*, and **you** KNOW it is accurate to 6*.

you are one of the Nattering Nabobs of Nowhere, jeffies, a dolt.

You're cracking me up jaxie ... what are you going to reveal? That no
one
ever
used RDF? That no one ever cruised before GPS was invented?

Are you going to deny that government publications say accuracy can be as
good
as 2 degrees? You've been trying to say I claimed 2 degrees, but I said
"I
generally assumed I'd get no better the 5 degrees." You keep talking
about
granite ledges but I said I used it when running down the coast or for
approaches. You do know what an "approach" is? No? I didn't think so.

So what ... are you going to show the accuracy was only 6 or 7 degrees?
Or
that sometimes signals were bent by shoreline affect? None of this
matters
when
you're using it to home in on an offshore light. The bottom line is the
RDF
was
the best tool we had for certain purposes. Everybody understood that it
had
limitations, but we also knew how to use it.

So while we're talking about "twisting slowly in the wind" you still
haven't
explain why you thought you were 10 miles off course when you had 3 GPS's
on
board?



"JAXAshby" is ...
twisting slowly in the wind.

no, over the nee, I am going to let you twist slowly in the wind. I
know
why
you are lost in a fog but you don't. I asked you explain how RDF
equipment
works and you don't have a clew. you and jeffies are huffing and
puffing
in
the sandbox. if you were big enough to wear a jockstrap you
wouldn't be
bragging about maybe someday owning one.

But I will give you a hint as to what to consider in trying to
understand
why
RDF is less accurate by far than you guys are claiming. Think,
"dinner
plate".

Jax, if you want some long winded technical discussion on radio waves,
loop antennas, etc., go read the book ....again.
The subject at hand here, is making use of the information, received,
knowing it's limitations, knowing the corrections which may need to be
applied, and translating that information into a useful navigation
tool
as it was used in the past, to make approaches to land and/or avoid
dangers.
Once again, you need to go back and re-read the section on possible
accuracy, then try and comprehend how a navigator might incorporate
that
possible error into his route planning or navigation.
As I've said before and will continue to say, you are a product of
GPS,
with no real sense of what is going on around you .... you may know
what
the book says, but you don't understand how to use it.

otn

Nattering Nabobs of Nowhere
 

Interesting reference to butts... I suspect you're most interested
in guy's.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
om...
So far, NNN = over the nee, jeffies and joony

not one of them could find his ass in the dark even with an RDF.

Butt I, boys and girls would have no problem sniffing out there asses
in the dark. Soon.

JAXie

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

The "Nattering Nabobs of Negativity" speech was written by William Safire.
Where have we heard that name before?



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
I don't think paraphrasing Agnew is going to add to your credibility
(as though you have any!)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you can't even explain how RDF works, yet you "read somewhere"
that it
"can be" accurate to 2*, and **you** KNOW it is accurate to 6*.

you are one of the Nattering Nabobs of Nowhere, jeffies, a dolt.

You're cracking me up jaxie ... what are you going to reveal? That no
one
ever
used RDF? That no one ever cruised before GPS was invented?

Are you going to deny that government publications say accuracy can be as
good
as 2 degrees? You've been trying to say I claimed 2 degrees, but I said
"I
generally assumed I'd get no better the 5 degrees." You keep talking
about
granite ledges but I said I used it when running down the coast or for
approaches. You do know what an "approach" is? No? I didn't think so.

So what ... are you going to show the accuracy was only 6 or 7 degrees?
Or
that sometimes signals were bent by shoreline affect? None of this
matters
when
you're using it to home in on an offshore light. The bottom line is the
RDF
was
the best tool we had for certain purposes. Everybody understood that it
had
limitations, but we also knew how to use it.

So while we're talking about "twisting slowly in the wind" you still
haven't
explain why you thought you were 10 miles off course when you had 3 GPS's
on
board?



"JAXAshby" is ...
twisting slowly in the wind.

no, over the nee, I am going to let you twist slowly in the wind. I
know
why
you are lost in a fog but you don't. I asked you explain how RDF
equipment
works and you don't have a clew. you and jeffies are huffing and
puffing
in
the sandbox. if you were big enough to wear a jockstrap you
wouldn't be
bragging about maybe someday owning one.

But I will give you a hint as to what to consider in trying to
understand
why
RDF is less accurate by far than you guys are claiming. Think,
"dinner
plate".

Jax, if you want some long winded technical discussion on radio waves,
loop antennas, etc., go read the book ....again.
The subject at hand here, is making use of the information, received,
knowing it's limitations, knowing the corrections which may need to be
applied, and translating that information into a useful navigation
tool
as it was used in the past, to make approaches to land and/or avoid
dangers.
Once again, you need to go back and re-read the section on possible
accuracy, then try and comprehend how a navigator might incorporate
that
possible error into his route planning or navigation.
As I've said before and will continue to say, you are a product of
GPS,
with no real sense of what is going on around you .... you may know
what
the book says, but you don't understand how to use it.

otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

tick tock.

Why should I google it? You've obviously been doing that for two days now.
But even so, you had no idea it could be used for distance off. You had no
idea
you could combine a RDF LOP with an other type of line. You had no idea you
could use two different radiobeacons. And you don't even know what an
"approach" is. Pretty pathetic, jaxie. What have you ever done on a boat
other
than hang over the side?

Come on Jaxie - Why are you so terrified of being with GPS? Why were you
lost?
If 3 isn't enough, how many GPS's do you need to find Cape Hatteras?


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
keep going, jeffies. 2*, eh? 5*? 6*

you did not then, and do not now, have a clew WTF you said.

I suggest you bone up on your back peddling skills. Soon, you will need
them.

RDF is simple, jeffies, and you couldn't even find diddly on it even by
googling. If, on the other hand, you knew how it worked you wouldn't have
made
your dumb statements, would you.

Why should I explain it to you? Why does anyone care? No one doubts that
RDF
was commonly used, and no one really cares whether I used it. You're just
trying
to lay a trap, but its as transparent as your other junior high school
ploys.

But you can explain two things to us - why are you so terrified of the
concept
of sailing without GPS, and why were you lost when you had 3 GPS's on
board?


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you can't even explain how RDF works, yet you "read somewhere"
that
it
"can be" accurate to 2*, and **you** KNOW it is accurate to 6*.

you are one of the Nattering Nabobs of Nowhere, jeffies, a dolt.

You're cracking me up jaxie ... what are you going to reveal? That no
one
ever
used RDF? That no one ever cruised before GPS was invented?

Are you going to deny that government publications say accuracy can be
as
good
as 2 degrees? You've been trying to say I claimed 2 degrees, but I
said
"I
generally assumed I'd get no better the 5 degrees." You keep talking
about
granite ledges but I said I used it when running down the coast or for
approaches. You do know what an "approach" is? No? I didn't think
so.

So what ... are you going to show the accuracy was only 6 or 7 degrees?
Or
that sometimes signals were bent by shoreline affect? None of this
matters
when
you're using it to home in on an offshore light. The bottom line is
the
RDF
was
the best tool we had for certain purposes. Everybody understood that
it
had
limitations, but we also knew how to use it.

So while we're talking about "twisting slowly in the wind" you still
haven't
explain why you thought you were 10 miles off course when you had 3
GPS's
on
board?



"JAXAshby" is ...
twisting slowly in the wind.

no, over the nee, I am going to let you twist slowly in the wind.
I
know
why
you are lost in a fog but you don't. I asked you explain how RDF
equipment
works and you don't have a clew. you and jeffies are huffing and
puffing
in
the sandbox. if you were big enough to wear a jockstrap you
wouldn't
be
bragging about maybe someday owning one.

But I will give you a hint as to what to consider in trying to
understand
why
RDF is less accurate by far than you guys are claiming. Think,
"dinner
plate".

Jax, if you want some long winded technical discussion on radio
waves,
loop antennas, etc., go read the book ....again.
The subject at hand here, is making use of the information,
received,
knowing it's limitations, knowing the corrections which may need to
be
applied, and translating that information into a useful navigation
tool
as it was used in the past, to make approaches to land and/or avoid
dangers.
Once again, you need to go back and re-read the section on possible
accuracy, then try and comprehend how a navigator might incorporate
that
possible error into his route planning or navigation.
As I've said before and will continue to say, you are a product of
GPS,
with no real sense of what is going on around you .... you may know
what
the book says, but you don't understand how to use it.

otn

Nattering Nabobs of Nowhere
 

joony, *if* you were a tad more bright you *might* have noticed
" in clown's ID line.




Interesting reference to butts... I suspect you're most interested
in guy's.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
. com...
So far, NNN = over the nee, jeffies and joony

not one of them could find his ass in the dark even with an RDF.

Butt I, boys and girls would have no problem sniffing out there asses
in the dark. Soon.

JAXie

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

Watch out! He's Gonna Blow!!

"JAXAshby" started making funny sonds:
tick tock.

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

Yep, and Agnew used it. I think he and jaxass are in the same
class... low.

--
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www.sailnow.com

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
The "Nattering Nabobs of Negativity" speech was written by William Safire.
Where have we heard that name before?



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
I don't think paraphrasing Agnew is going to add to your credibility
(as though you have any!)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you can't even explain how RDF works, yet you "read
somewhere"
that it
"can be" accurate to 2*, and **you** KNOW it is accurate to 6*.

you are one of the Nattering Nabobs of Nowhere, jeffies, a dolt.

You're cracking me up jaxie ... what are you going to reveal? That
no
one
ever
used RDF? That no one ever cruised before GPS was invented?

Are you going to deny that government publications say accuracy can
be as
good
as 2 degrees? You've been trying to say I claimed 2 degrees, but I
said
"I
generally assumed I'd get no better the 5 degrees." You keep talking
about
granite ledges but I said I used it when running down the coast or
for
approaches. You do know what an "approach" is? No? I didn't think
so.

So what ... are you going to show the accuracy was only 6 or 7
degrees?
Or
that sometimes signals were bent by shoreline affect? None of this
matters
when
you're using it to home in on an offshore light. The bottom line is
the
RDF
was
the best tool we had for certain purposes. Everybody understood
that it
had
limitations, but we also knew how to use it.

So while we're talking about "twisting slowly in the wind" you still
haven't
explain why you thought you were 10 miles off course when you had 3
GPS's
on
board?



"JAXAshby" is ...
twisting slowly in the wind.

no, over the nee, I am going to let you twist slowly in the
wind. I
know
why
you are lost in a fog but you don't. I asked you explain how
RDF
equipment
works and you don't have a clew. you and jeffies are huffing
and
puffing
in
the sandbox. if you were big enough to wear a jockstrap you
wouldn't be
bragging about maybe someday owning one.

But I will give you a hint as to what to consider in trying to
understand
why
RDF is less accurate by far than you guys are claiming. Think,
"dinner
plate".

Jax, if you want some long winded technical discussion on radio
waves,
loop antennas, etc., go read the book ....again.
The subject at hand here, is making use of the information,
received,
knowing it's limitations, knowing the corrections which may need
to be
applied, and translating that information into a useful navigation
tool
as it was used in the past, to make approaches to land and/or
avoid
dangers.
Once again, you need to go back and re-read the section on
possible
accuracy, then try and comprehend how a navigator might
incorporate
that
possible error into his route planning or navigation.
As I've said before and will continue to say, you are a product of
GPS,
with no real sense of what is going on around you .... you may
know
what
the book says, but you don't understand how to use it.

otn

Nattering Nabobs of Nowhere
 

jaxass, it doesn't matter who said it. if the shoe fits, wear it.

--
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www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
joony, *if* you were a tad more bright you *might* have noticed
" in clown's ID line.




Interesting reference to butts... I suspect you're most interested
in guy's.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
. com...
So far, NNN = over the nee, jeffies and joony

not one of them could find his ass in the dark even with an RDF.

Butt I, boys and girls would have no problem sniffing out there asses
in the dark. Soon.

JAXie

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

jeffies askes:

The "Nattering Nabobs of Negativity" speech was written by William Safire.
Where have we heard that name before?


Wiliam Safire is the novelist who wrote "Scandelmongers", "Full Disclosure" and
a "Sleeper Spy".

I enjoyed "Sleeper Spy", and I recall learning from it that the term "parting
shot" was more properly "Parthian Shot", named for a battle technique used by
warriors from Parthia. I am not sure, but I believe a Parthian general was
named in the Illiad or the Odessey, and hence from which came the name.

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

The reference I was thinking of was to Safire's column in the NYT magazine about
how Bush cleverly avoided use the phrase "imminent threat."



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies askes:

The "Nattering Nabobs of Negativity" speech was written by William Safire.
Where have we heard that name before?


Wiliam Safire is the novelist who wrote "Scandelmongers", "Full Disclosure"
and
a "Sleeper Spy".

I enjoyed "Sleeper Spy", and I recall learning from it that the term "parting
shot" was more properly "Parthian Shot", named for a battle technique used by
warriors from Parthia. I am not sure, but I believe a Parthian general was
named in the Illiad or the Odessey, and hence from which came the name.

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

The reference I was thinking of was to Safire ... the novelist who wrote
"Scandelmongers", "Full Disclosure"
and
a "Sleeper Spy".

jeffie,

one of the Nattering Nabobs of Knighted Nowhere.


jeffies askes:

The "Nattering Nabobs of Negativity" speech was written by William Safire.
Where have we heard that name before?


Wiliam Safire is the novelist who wrote "Scandelmongers", "Full Disclosure"
and
a "Sleeper Spy".

I enjoyed "Sleeper Spy", and I recall learning from it that the term
"parting
shot" was more properly "Parthian Shot", named for a battle technique used
by
warriors from Parthia. I am not sure, but I believe a Parthian general was
named in the Illiad or the Odessey, and hence from which came the name.