St. Patrick was NOT Irish
 

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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Do you think Donal is brighter than a coconut?

No Scotty a coconut can sail in the fog.

..... but I don't think that a coconut would be stupid enough to do 25
kts in fog!!!



Regards


Donal
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St. Patrick was NOT Irish
 

"Donal" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote in message
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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Do you think Donal is brighter than a coconut?

No Scotty a coconut can sail in the fog.

..... but I don't think that a coconut would be stupid enough to do 25
kts in fog!!!



Again you show your lack of knowledge. You act like the people that
said man will never fly. Just because your to dumb to grasp that
concept and use of modern navigiation devices, is no reason why your
should attack coconuts because they out preform you.

And BTW some coconuts do 25kts in the fog.


Joe

Regards


Donal
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St. Patrick was NOT Irish
 

"Joe" wrote in message
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And BTW some coconuts do 25kts in the fog.


Tell us about them!

Pleeeassse!



Regards


Donal
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St. Patrick was NOT Irish
 

"Donal" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote in message
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And BTW some coconuts do 25kts in the fog.


Tell us about them!

Pleeeassse!

When they fall from a tall tree on a fog laiden isle.
When they are in the pantry of a crewboat in the fog on the Mississippi.
When they are rushing down the front of a big wave as they are being washed
ashore on a foggy beach.


Your Welcome

Joe





Regards


Donal
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Horvath wrote:
It's that time of year again, where I like to remind everybody that
St. Patrick was NOT Irish.

Why? Do you forget every year?

DSK

He is celebrated for CONVERTING the Irish from their Druidic ways....all
Ireland thanks him for that (even though they secretly harbor inklings of
paganism deep within...)

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
It's that time of year again, where I like to remind everybody that
St. Patrick was NOT Irish. His parents were Roman, he wasn't born in
Ireland, and he didn't grow up in Ireland.


PATRICK (5th century). The enduring legends of St. Patrick are that
he
used a shamrock to explain the Trinity and that he banished all snakes
from Ireland. The true story of Patrick, however, survives not in his
myths but in his work. Patrick was responsible for converting the
people
of Ireland to Christianity.
Patrick was born to a Romanized family in Britain probably in the
first
half of the 5th century. At the age of 16 he was taken to Ireland by
pirates and sold into slavery. The young boy was sustained by his
faith
during his six years working as a herdsman. When Patrick escaped and
returned to Britain, he had a vision of the Irish beseeching him to
return
to Ireland to spread his faith. Patrick recorded this call to his
vocation
in the 'Confessio', his spiritual autobiography and one of his two
short
writings that have survived.
After studying in continental monasteries, Patrick returned to
Ireland
as a missionary. Despite a constant threat to his life, Patrick
traveled
widely, baptizing, confirming, and preaching and building churches,
schools,
and monasteries. Patrick succeeded in converting almost the entire
population of the island. His 'Epistola' pleads the case of the
Christian
Irish at the hands of their British conquerors. Patrick's writings
have
come to be appreciated for their simplicity and humility. St. Patrick
is
the patron saint of Ireland. His feast day is celebrated on March 17.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

His boyfriend reminds him...

In article ,
DSK wrote:
Horvath wrote:
It's that time of year again, where I like to remind everybody that
St. Patrick was NOT Irish.

Why? Do you forget every year?

DSK



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On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 03:05:55 GMT, "katysails"
wrote this crap:

He is celebrated for CONVERTING the Irish from their Druidic ways....all
Ireland thanks him for that (even though they secretly harbor inklings of
paganism deep within...)


So, you're willing to admit that he was not Irish?






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Of course....everyone knows he wasn't...it's not a new fact....why does it
matter?


"Horvath" wrote in message
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On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 03:05:55 GMT, "katysails"
wrote this crap:

He is celebrated for CONVERTING the Irish from their Druidic ways....all
Ireland thanks him for that (even though they secretly harbor inklings of
paganism deep within...)


So, you're willing to admit that he was not Irish?






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Horass,

St Pat was Irish; Arnold is governor of Calif and an American. The
places of birth they had nothing to do with how they use their lifes.
Their choice is, and St Pat choose to be Irish.

Ole Thom

Katy,

The Druids were the first converts to Christ. Columbo was a druid priest
and had accepted Jesus and taught Jesus ways.

Ole Thom

Of course there's the counter-argument as demonstrated by the old joke:

A couple move to New England and even after they've lived there for
years, the locals tell 'em they're not "natives." The woman replies,
"But my son was born here, so he's a native, right?"

The local wag answers, "If a cat has kittens in the oven, that don't
make 'em biscuits!"

"katysails" wrote in message

He is celebrated for CONVERTING the Irish from their Druidic ways....all
Ireland thanks him for that (even though they secretly harbor inklings of
paganism deep within...)

Only Donal, really.

Max

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:26:01 -0800, (Thom Stewart)
wrote this crap:

Horass,

St Pat was Irish; Arnold is governor of Calif and an American. The
places of birth they had nothing to do with how they use their lifes.
Their choice is, and St Pat choose to be Irish.

He was never Irish. He was Roman.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

That's what they want you to thin...in actuality, the Church used the
Druidic rites and incorporated them into the Christian rites...go to
Ireland...not the cities mind you, but where Gaelic is still fluent, and you
will still find the co-mingling of belief...the pookah is alive and well as
are the fairies (little fey creatures with wings...not the gay kind),
leprechauns and the rest...

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Katy,

The Druids were the first converts to Christ. Columbo was a druid priest
and had accepted Jesus and taught Jesus ways.

Ole Thom

Horvath wrote:
On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:26:01 -0800, (Thom Stewart)
wrote this crap:


Horass,

St Pat was Irish; Arnold is governor of Calif and an American. The
places of birth they had nothing to do with how they use their lifes.
Their choice is, and St Pat choose to be Irish.


He was never Irish. He was Roman.

Nope, he wasn't Roman. Try again.

How about Scottish?
JR


Jeff wrote:

Horvath wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:26:01 -0800, (Thom Stewart)
wrote this crap:


Horass,

St Pat was Irish; Arnold is governor of Calif and an American. The
places of birth they had nothing to do with how they use their lifes.
Their choice is, and St Pat choose to be Irish.



He was never Irish. He was Roman.


Nope, he wasn't Roman. Try again.

Go get'm Jeff,

I think he'll have to do some reseach to find out who and where Britany
is. (Think I may have have to look up the spelling)

There are a lot of Nigs, Wops, Spics, Chinks, Limeys, Micks, Jews, etc
all living under the blanket of American. I think it would be a problem
the go back three generations for most people to find a true "Yankee"
Most are here by choice and God Bless them!

"I'LL DRINK TO THAT!"

Ole Thom

Not according to my source. Thinking about it, I'm not sure who the
Scots were at that time - Picts? Albans?

As far as I know St. Pat was a Briton, raised (until age 16) in the
Roman tradition. His mother tongue may have been something like Welsh.

JR Gilbreath wrote:
How about Scottish?
JR


Jeff wrote:

Horvath wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:26:01 -0800, (Thom Stewart)
wrote this crap:


Horass,

St Pat was Irish; Arnold is governor of Calif and an American. The
places of birth they had nothing to do with how they use their lifes.
Their choice is, and St Pat choose to be Irish.




He was never Irish. He was Roman.



Nope, he wasn't Roman. Try again.

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:53:42 -0500, Jeff
wrote this crap:

Horvath wrote:
On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:26:01 -0800, (Thom Stewart)
wrote this crap:


Horass,

St Pat was Irish; Arnold is governor of Calif and an American. The
places of birth they had nothing to do with how they use their lifes.
Their choice is, and St Pat choose to be Irish.


He was never Irish. He was Roman.

Nope, he wasn't Roman. Try again.


Nope. Roman. His parents were Conchessa and Calpurnius. Those are
very Roman names. Look it up.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:26:40 -0500, Jeff
wrote this crap:

Not according to my source. Thinking about it, I'm not sure who the
Scots were at that time - Picts? Albans?

As far as I know St. Pat was a Briton, raised (until age 16) in the
Roman tradition. His mother tongue may have been something like Welsh.


Try Latin. Romans, and Catholics, spoke Latin.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Horvath, Horvath, Horvath....
People from Rome did not speak Latin. Latin was a formal language used to
write and to deliver speech. The common vernacular of the day was more like
an ancient Italian. Latin was used only for scholarly things...like
speaking in the Senate....you must have had inferior nuns where you went to
school that you didn't learn that....

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:26:40 -0500, Jeff
wrote this crap:

Not according to my source. Thinking about it, I'm not sure who the
Scots were at that time - Picts? Albans?

As far as I know St. Pat was a Briton, raised (until age 16) in the
Roman tradition. His mother tongue may have been something like Welsh.


Try Latin. Romans, and Catholics, spoke Latin.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Do you think that Patrick, writing in Latin and describing his father,
a local functionary for Rome, might have use his father's Roman name?

And isn't Patrick an Irish name? Does that prove St. Patrick was Irish?


Horvath wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:53:42 -0500, Jeff
wrote this crap:


Horvath wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:26:01 -0800, (Thom Stewart)
wrote this crap:



Horass,

St Pat was Irish; Arnold is governor of Calif and an American. The
places of birth they had nothing to do with how they use their lifes.
Their choice is, and St Pat choose to be Irish.


He was never Irish. He was Roman.

Nope, he wasn't Roman. Try again.



Nope. Roman. His parents were Conchessa and Calpurnius. Those are
very Roman names. Look it up.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Educate yourself. You know about as little about St. Patrick as
you know about boats which means you know nothing about either.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11554a.htm

CN

"Jeff" wrote in message ...
Do you think that Patrick, writing in Latin and describing his father,
a local functionary for Rome, might have use his father's Roman name?

And isn't Patrick an Irish name? Does that prove St. Patrick was Irish?


Horvath wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:53:42 -0500, Jeff
wrote this crap:


Horvath wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:26:01 -0800, (Thom Stewart)
wrote this crap:



Horass,

St Pat was Irish; Arnold is governor of Calif and an American. The
places of birth they had nothing to do with how they use their lifes.
Their choice is, and St Pat choose to be Irish.


He was never Irish. He was Roman.

Nope, he wasn't Roman. Try again.



Nope. Roman. His parents were Conchessa and Calpurnius. Those are
very Roman names. Look it up.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:26:01 -0800, (Thom Stewart)
wrote this crap:

Horass,

St Pat was Irish; Arnold is governor of Calif and an American. The
places of birth they had nothing to do with how they use their lifes.
Their choice is, and St Pat choose to be Irish.

He was never Irish. He was Roman.

maybe he romed to Ireland.
Scout

Sorry Neal, there is no complelling evidence that St. Patrick's family
was actually from Rome, though they were certainly middle class or
higher. The fact that his father was a local official and they had
Latin names means little.

Capt. Neal® wrote:


Educate yourself. You know about as little about St. Patrick as
you know about boats which means you know nothing about either.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11554a.htm

CN

"Jeff" wrote in message
...

Do you think that Patrick, writing in Latin and describing his father,
a local functionary for Rome, might have use his father's Roman name?

And isn't Patrick an Irish name? Does that prove St. Patrick was Irish?


Horvath wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:53:42 -0500, Jeff
wrote this crap:


Horvath wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:26:01 -0800, (Thom Stewart)
wrote this crap:



Horass,

St Pat was Irish; Arnold is governor of Calif and an American. The
places of birth they had nothing to do with how they use their
lifes.
Their choice is, and St Pat choose to be Irish.



He was never Irish. He was Roman.


Nope, he wasn't Roman. Try again.




Nope. Roman. His parents were Conchessa and Calpurnius. Those are
very Roman names. Look it up.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

You should read some history books of the British Isles. Only
Roman citizens could hold office in the British Isles when
the Roman Empire held sway.

But, we are getting off the subject which subject is St. Patrick
was Scottish, not Irish. He was born in Scotland.

CN

There is one very good one
"Jeff" wrote in message ...
Sorry Neal, there is no complelling evidence that St. Patrick's family was actually from Rome, though they were certainly middle
class or higher. The fact that his father was a local official and they had Latin names means little.

Capt. Neal® wrote:


Educate yourself. You know about as little about St. Patrick as
you know about boats which means you know nothing about either.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11554a.htm

CN

"Jeff" wrote in message ...

Do you think that Patrick, writing in Latin and describing his father, a local functionary for Rome, might have use his father's
Roman name?

And isn't Patrick an Irish name? Does that prove St. Patrick was Irish?


Horvath wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:53:42 -0500, Jeff
wrote this crap:


Horvath wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:26:01 -0800, (Thom Stewart)
wrote this crap:



Horass,

St Pat was Irish; Arnold is governor of Calif and an American. The
places of birth they had nothing to do with how they use their lifes.
Their choice is, and St Pat choose to be Irish.



He was never Irish. He was Roman.


Nope, he wasn't Roman. Try again.




Nope. Roman. His parents were Conchessa and Calpurnius. Those are
very Roman names. Look it up.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Actually, the Gaelic name is Padraic....

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Do you think that Patrick, writing in Latin and describing his father, a
local functionary for Rome, might have use his father's Roman name?

And isn't Patrick an Irish name? Does that prove St. Patrick was Irish?


Horvath wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:53:42 -0500, Jeff
wrote this crap:


Horvath wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:26:01 -0800, (Thom Stewart)
wrote this crap:



Horass,

St Pat was Irish; Arnold is governor of Calif and an American. The
places of birth they had nothing to do with how they use their lifes.
Their choice is, and St Pat choose to be Irish.


He was never Irish. He was Roman.

Nope, he wasn't Roman. Try again.



Nope. Roman. His parents were Conchessa and Calpurnius. Those are
very Roman names. Look it up.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Being a Roman citizen didn't mean you hailed from Rome. Even the Jews
were considered Roman citizens, though not by Patrick's time.

Capt. Neal® wrote:

You should read some history books of the British Isles. Only
Roman citizens could hold office in the British Isles when
the Roman Empire held sway.

But, we are getting off the subject which subject is St. Patrick
was Scottish, not Irish. He was born in Scotland.

CN

There is one very good one
"Jeff" wrote in message
...

Sorry Neal, there is no complelling evidence that St. Patrick's family
was actually from Rome, though they were certainly middle class or
higher. The fact that his father was a local official and they had
Latin names means little.

Capt. Neal® wrote:



Educate yourself. You know about as little about St. Patrick as
you know about boats which means you know nothing about either.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11554a.htm

CN

"Jeff" wrote in message
...

Do you think that Patrick, writing in Latin and describing his
father, a local functionary for Rome, might have use his father's
Roman name?

And isn't Patrick an Irish name? Does that prove St. Patrick was
Irish?


Horvath wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:53:42 -0500, Jeff
wrote this crap:


Horvath wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:26:01 -0800, (Thom Stewart)
wrote this crap:



Horass,

St Pat was Irish; Arnold is governor of Calif and an American. The
places of birth they had nothing to do with how they use their
lifes.
Their choice is, and St Pat choose to be Irish.




He was never Irish. He was Roman.



Nope, he wasn't Roman. Try again.





Nope. Roman. His parents were Conchessa and Calpurnius. Those are
very Roman names. Look it up.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Sorry, Jeff, but Jews in the British Isles were considered persona non grata
in Roman times. Do some reading, please.

CN

"Jeff" wrote in message ...
Being a Roman citizen didn't mean you hailed from Rome. Even the Jews were considered Roman citizens, though not by Patrick's
time.

Capt. Neal® wrote:

You should read some history books of the British Isles. Only
Roman citizens could hold office in the British Isles when
the Roman Empire held sway.

But, we are getting off the subject which subject is St. Patrick
was Scottish, not Irish. He was born in Scotland.

CN

There is one very good one
"Jeff" wrote in message ...

Sorry Neal, there is no complelling evidence that St. Patrick's family was actually from Rome, though they were certainly middle
class or higher. The fact that his father was a local official and they had Latin names means little.

Capt. Neal® wrote:



Educate yourself. You know about as little about St. Patrick as
you know about boats which means you know nothing about either.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11554a.htm

CN

"Jeff" wrote in message ...

Do you think that Patrick, writing in Latin and describing his father, a local functionary for Rome, might have use his
father's Roman name?

And isn't Patrick an Irish name? Does that prove St. Patrick was Irish?


Horvath wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:53:42 -0500, Jeff
wrote this crap:


Horvath wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:26:01 -0800, (Thom Stewart)
wrote this crap:



Horass,

St Pat was Irish; Arnold is governor of Calif and an American. The
places of birth they had nothing to do with how they use their lifes.
Their choice is, and St Pat choose to be Irish.




He was never Irish. He was Roman.



Nope, he wasn't Roman. Try again.





Nope. Roman. His parents were Conchessa and Calpurnius. Those are
very Roman names. Look it up.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"katysails" wrote in message

Actually, the Gaelic name is Padraic....

Are you sure that's Gaelic? I thought it was old Irish, and the Gaelic name
was unpronounceable.

Max

"Maxprop" wrote in message
.net...

"katysails" wrote in message

Actually, the Gaelic name is Padraic....

Are you sure that's Gaelic? I thought it was old Irish, and the Gaelic
name was unpronounceable.

They speak Gaelic up here... lots of Gaelic in Cape Breton. Some great music
as well!

CM

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:16:03 GMT, "katysails"
wrote this crap:


People from Rome did not speak Latin. Latin was a formal language used to
write and to deliver speech.

They wrote and spoke Latin.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:25:07 -0500, Jeff
wrote this crap:

Do you think that Patrick, writing in Latin and describing his father,
a local functionary for Rome, might have use his father's Roman name?

And isn't Patrick an Irish name? Does that prove St. Patrick was Irish?


And Doofus is an Irish name.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:50:53 -0500, Capt. Neal®
wrote this crap:


You should read some history books of the British Isles. Only
Roman citizens could hold office in the British Isles when
the Roman Empire held sway.

But, we are getting off the subject which subject is St. Patrick
was Scottish, not Irish. He was born in Scotland.


He was Roman. You've already said so.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

that's what it pronounces out to....in actuality there's always a bunch of
unpronounceable consonants thrown in...the spelling of my given name and
its' pronunciation is beyond the human tongue, which lends credence to the
fact that fey creatures invented it...

"Maxprop" wrote in message
.net...

"katysails" wrote in message

Actually, the Gaelic name is Padraic....

Are you sure that's Gaelic? I thought it was old Irish, and the Gaelic
name was unpronounceable.

Max

No..they didn't...it was called vulgaris...

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:16:03 GMT, "katysails"
wrote this crap:


People from Rome did not speak Latin. Latin was a formal language used to
write and to deliver speech.

They wrote and spoke Latin.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

I doubt that many Jews made it that far, but despite their various
setbacks, Jews did achieve some status in Roman times. In 211
Caracalla become Emperor and made all free Jews citizens. In fact,
this citizenship was granted to all free inhabitants of the Empire, so
it would have included the Britons, and thus to St. Patrick's family.

Of course, things started to go downhill for the Jews 100 years later
with Constantine.

I thought you had a classical education, Neal. It would appear not.

Capt. Neal® wrote:

Sorry, Jeff, but Jews in the British Isles were considered persona non
grata
in Roman times. Do some reading, please.

CN

"Jeff" wrote in message
...

Being a Roman citizen didn't mean you hailed from Rome. Even the Jews
were considered Roman citizens, though not by Patrick's time.

Capt. Neal® wrote:


You should read some history books of the British Isles. Only
Roman citizens could hold office in the British Isles when
the Roman Empire held sway.

But, we are getting off the subject which subject is St. Patrick
was Scottish, not Irish. He was born in Scotland.

CN

There is one very good one
"Jeff" wrote in message
...

Sorry Neal, there is no complelling evidence that St. Patrick's
family was actually from Rome, though they were certainly middle
class or higher. The fact that his father was a local official and
they had Latin names means little.

Capt. Neal® wrote:



Educate yourself. You know about as little about St. Patrick as
you know about boats which means you know nothing about either.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11554a.htm

CN

"Jeff" wrote in message
...

Do you think that Patrick, writing in Latin and describing his
father, a local functionary for Rome, might have use his father's
Roman name?

And isn't Patrick an Irish name? Does that prove St. Patrick was
Irish?


Horvath wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:53:42 -0500, Jeff
wrote this crap:


Horvath wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:26:01 -0800, (Thom
Stewart)
wrote this crap:



Horass,

St Pat was Irish; Arnold is governor of Calif and an American.
The
places of birth they had nothing to do with how they use
their lifes.
Their choice is, and St Pat choose to be Irish.





He was never Irish. He was Roman.




Nope, he wasn't Roman. Try again.






Nope. Roman. His parents were Conchessa and Calpurnius. Those are
very Roman names. Look it up.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Jeff wrote:
Sorry Neal, there is no complelling evidence that St. Patrick's family
was actually from Rome, though they were certainly middle class or
higher. The fact that his father was a local official and they had
Latin names means little.


True... being a "local official" in the Roman administration of Britain
would mean that he was a military officer, which would mean that he was
an ass-kicker who acquired some education & management skills. Could
have been from anywhere, and adopted a Roman name.

Of course, it doesn't prove that St Patrick's family was *not* Roman,
either.

DSK

Actually, the Gaelic name is Padraic....

Are you sure that's Gaelic? I thought it was old Irish, and the Gaelic
name was unpronounceable.


It's just spelled really weird... should be a couple of "G"s and "H"s in
there.

katysails wrote:
that's what it pronounces out to....in actuality there's always a bunch of
unpronounceable consonants thrown in...the spelling of my given name and
its' pronunciation is beyond the human tongue, which lends credence to the
fact that fey creatures invented it...

Nah, you have to drink enough potato whiskey to numb your mouth first.

DSK