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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Wally wrote:

Jim Cate wrote:


Where does the depth bit fit into this? Faceitiousness aside, what
sort of handling do you expect from the 26M in a 40kt wind? How much
reef would you put in the main, and what size of jib would you use?
How much heel would you expect when going to windward?


Since I plan occasionally to go offshore in moderate conditions, ...


70 knots is not 'moderate'.



I
have ordered the boat with several accessories relating to safety,
etc. - These include three reefing points in the main, roller
furling,


Is that roller furling or roller reefing? If the former, how do you
propose
to bend on a small jib?


The plan is to reef the working jib before going offshore. Or, if the
winds may be severe, to hank on a storm jib in place of the working jib.




The depth and knot meters are desirable in the Galveston bay area in
view of the fact that much of our bay waters are relatively shallow,


How does a knot meter help in shallow water?


The knot meter tells me whether I'm making too much headway for safety
when navigating a narrow and silted channel. It also gives me a means
for estimating how far I have traveled, and what my position is. It's a
backup to the chartreader.


and some of the channels are narrow and not kept in good condition.


What do you mean?


They aren't dredged often enough to maintain their reported and charted
depth depth and width.


However, I understand that the boat
makes better speed if you keep it relatively upright rather than
heavily keeled. Again, I'll have to do some experimentation to arrive
at preferred reefing points, heel angles, sail configurations, etc.,
for various conditions.


I asked:

1. What sort of handling do you expect from the 26M in a 40kt wind?

The boat should be fairly stable in 40Kt winds if sufficiently reefed.

2. How much reef would you put in the main, and what size of jib would
you
use?

As previously noted, these parameters would be determined empirically,
through an extended series of sea trials in varying conditions.



3. How much heel would you expect when going to windward?

Depends on the degree of reef in the main and furling of the jib.


And your answer is, in effect, "I don't know". Yet, you're planning to
go
out in 70kt winds.

Nope. You, again, have it bass ass backwards. - If I told you that I
would expect 27.5 degrees of heel, with a particular set of sails
deployed, THAT would be a joke. - What I told you was that I would be
conducting a series of sea trials using varying combinations of sails
and reefing points in varying winds. That series of tests, when sailing
under varying conditions, is the only way I would want to rely on to set
the sails under heavy weather conditions.

Of course, everyone recognized that you thought you were throwing me a
"gotcha." You intended to trip me up. But ultimately, YOU are the one
who demonstrated how stupid you really are.

Jim

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Now that's a bit strong. I would say, "You're a stupid fool."
We don't want to insult morons.

Perhaps 'cretin' would be more appropriate - I hear they're dumber than
morons.


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Jonathan Ganz wrote:

In my opinion, you're stupid, a liar, and an asshole.

He's probably an iguana smuggler, to boot...


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Wally
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www.wally.myby.co.uk/music

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
No.. you check the notes. I have better things to do Jimmy.


Johnny, I was posting notes on this newsgroup seven years ago. Unless
you were here earlier than 1997, that makes you the "newguy".

Jim

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Whatever you think appropriate. I'm sure we'll all have a comment.


But what do you suggest?

Jim

Wally wrote:

Jim Cate wrote:


In any such decision, one likes to gather as much substantive
information possible for consideration before making a decision. In
this case, I got little if any substantive information from this ng.
This was a significant clue. - It told me that much of the "Mac
Bashers" really didn't have any direct knowledge of the 26M, and that
most of the Mac Bashing had no basis in fact. It further told me that
many on this ng who commented on the Macs really didn't know what the
hell they were talking about.


You are a moron.

Have a nice evening anyway.

Jim

Jim Cate wrote:



Scott Vernon wrote:

Smart-ass Jim Cate" wrote ...

It tells me when we have "40-not" winds.




And then wrote.....


the boat makes better speed if you keep it relatively upright rather
than heavily keeled.
Jim




So now the mac has an adjustable weight keel?

SV

severely heeled



heeled.

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:06:57 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
wrote:

snip

And, its a horrible sailor. I haven't seen a PHRF number for the 26M, but on
the mac boards you'll see comments of rating the 26X at somewhere between 280
and 300. And this is for lake racing - imagine how slow it is "75 miles
offshore." You're thinking its safe to venture that far out because you can
scoot in at 20 knots. However, if you get a nasty chop you could end up
spending all night trying to get back.

I was wondering about the PHRF numbers. Do you think they are really
indicative of the slowness of the boat or is more a statement of just
how inexperienced Mac sailors are? I guess we will never know,
because anyone who actually knows how to sail wouldn't be found on a
Mac, but it is something to think about.

Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote


The plan is to reef the working jib before going offshore.



you're going to reef a working jib on a Mac26? he he heeeee OK.


If heavy weather is predicted, I'll substitute a storm jib. Otherwise,
however, I'll reef the working jib and main before going offshore. And
if winds build higher, reef it again.




1. What sort of handling do you expect from the 26M in a 40kt wind?

The boat should be fairly stable in 40Kt winds if sufficiently reefed.



and by ''sufficiently reefed'' you mean tied down to the trailer, right?




But ultimately, Jim are the one
who demonstrated how stupid Jim really are.

Wally wrote:

Jim Cate wrote:


The plan is to reef the working jib before going offshore. Or, if the
winds may be severe, to hank on a storm jib in place of the working
jib.


How do you hank a storm jib on when there's a roller furling mech in the
way? Does it have a second forestay for the purpose?


If heavy weather is predicted, a storm jib would be hanked on the
forestay. The roller furling mechanism is removed first.



Depends on the degree of reef in the main and furling of the jib.


Is that roller furling or roller reefing on the jib?


Roller furling.


Nope. You, again, have it bass ass backwards.


Stop talking crap - 70 knots is a hurricane and 100 miles offshore isn't
coastal cruising. The 26M is a beginner's boat and isn't built for such
conditions.


After I sail several times in 70 knots, I'll be able to give you a more
comprehensive description of the boat's sailing characteristics under
such conditions.



Of course, everyone recognized that you thought you were throwing me a
"gotcha." You intended to trip me up. But ultimately, YOU are the one
who demonstrated how stupid you really are.


I freely admit that I am a sweet, innocent, fresh-faced n00b. Unlike you, I
don't come in here spouting irrational, badly-argued garbage while making a
bunch of ridiculous claims.

You're a troll, or a moron, or a moronic troll, or a trolling moron. Pick
one.

Sure think Wally. Have a nice evening. Are you going sailing this
weekend? Or do you just enjoy spending your spare time sneering at
others who do?

Jim