Wally wrote:

Jim Cate wrote:


Where does the depth bit fit into this? Faceitiousness aside, what
sort of handling do you expect from the 26M in a 40kt wind? How much
reef would you put in the main, and what size of jib would you use?
How much heel would you expect when going to windward?


Since I plan occasionally to go offshore in moderate conditions, ...


70 knots is not 'moderate'.



I
have ordered the boat with several accessories relating to safety,
etc. - These include three reefing points in the main, roller
furling,


Is that roller furling or roller reefing? If the former, how do you propose
to bend on a small jib?


The plan is to reef the working jib before going offshore. Or, if the
winds may be severe, to hank on a storm jib in place of the working jib.




The depth and knot meters are desirable in the Galveston bay area in
view of the fact that much of our bay waters are relatively shallow,


How does a knot meter help in shallow water?


The knot meter tells me whether I'm making too much headway for safety
when navigating a narrow and silted channel. It also gives me a means
for estimating how far I have traveled, and what my position is. It's a
backup to the chartreader.


and some of the channels are narrow and not kept in good condition.


What do you mean?


They aren't dredged often enough to maintain their reported and charted
depth depth and width.


However, I understand that the boat
makes better speed if you keep it relatively upright rather than
heavily keeled. Again, I'll have to do some experimentation to arrive
at preferred reefing points, heel angles, sail configurations, etc.,
for various conditions.


I asked:

1. What sort of handling do you expect from the 26M in a 40kt wind?

The boat should be fairly stable in 40Kt winds if sufficiently reefed.

2. How much reef would you put in the main, and what size of jib would you
use?

As previously noted, these parameters would be determined empirically,
through an extended series of sea trials in varying conditions.



3. How much heel would you expect when going to windward?

Depends on the degree of reef in the main and furling of the jib.


And your answer is, in effect, "I don't know". Yet, you're planning to go
out in 70kt winds.

Nope. You, again, have it bass ass backwards. - If I told you that I
would expect 27.5 degrees of heel, with a particular set of sails
deployed, THAT would be a joke. - What I told you was that I would be
conducting a series of sea trials using varying combinations of sails
and reefing points in varying winds. That series of tests, when sailing
under varying conditions, is the only way I would want to rely on to set
the sails under heavy weather conditions.

Of course, everyone recognized that you thought you were throwing me a
"gotcha." You intended to trip me up. But ultimately, YOU are the one
who demonstrated how stupid you really are.

Jim

"Jim Cate" wrote


The plan is to reef the working jib before going offshore.


you're going to reef a working jib on a Mac26? he he heeeee OK.





1. What sort of handling do you expect from the 26M in a 40kt wind?

The boat should be fairly stable in 40Kt winds if sufficiently reefed.


and by ''sufficiently reefed'' you mean tied down to the trailer, right?




But ultimately, Jim are the one
who demonstrated how stupid Jim really are.

Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote


The plan is to reef the working jib before going offshore.



you're going to reef a working jib on a Mac26? he he heeeee OK.


If heavy weather is predicted, I'll substitute a storm jib. Otherwise,
however, I'll reef the working jib and main before going offshore. And
if winds build higher, reef it again.




1. What sort of handling do you expect from the 26M in a 40kt wind?

The boat should be fairly stable in 40Kt winds if sufficiently reefed.



and by ''sufficiently reefed'' you mean tied down to the trailer, right?




But ultimately, Jim are the one
who demonstrated how stupid Jim really are.

could you please explain to me how you're going to reef the Macs' working
jib? I'd like to know in case I ever own one.

Scotty

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote


The plan is to reef the working jib before going offshore.



you're going to reef a working jib on a Mac26? he he heeeee OK.


If heavy weather is predicted, I'll substitute a storm jib. Otherwise,
however, I'll reef the working jib and main before going offshore. And
if winds build higher, reef it again.




1. What sort of handling do you expect from the 26M in a 40kt wind?

The boat should be fairly stable in 40Kt winds if sufficiently reefed.



and by ''sufficiently reefed'' you mean tied down to the trailer, right?




But ultimately, Jim are the one
who demonstrated how stupid Jim really are.

Scott Vernon wrote:

could you please explain to me how you're going to reef the Macs' working
jib? I'd like to know in case I ever own one.

The roller furler will control the working jib, and the jib would be let
out only partially. If the predicted weather is too severe for the
working jib, I would substitute a storm jib early on.

Scotty

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Scott Vernon wrote:


"Jim Cate" wrote


The plan is to reef the working jib before going offshore.



you're going to reef a working jib on a Mac26? he he heeeee OK.


If heavy weather is predicted, I'll substitute a storm jib. Otherwise,
however, I'll reef the working jib and main before going offshore. And
if winds build higher, reef it again.




1. What sort of handling do you expect from the 26M in a 40kt wind?

The boat should be fairly stable in 40Kt winds if sufficiently reefed.



and by ''sufficiently reefed'' you mean tied down to the trailer, right?





But ultimately, Jim are the one
who demonstrated how stupid Jim really are.

What about unexpected weather??

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote


The plan is to reef the working jib before going offshore.



you're going to reef a working jib on a Mac26? he he heeeee OK.


If heavy weather is predicted, I'll substitute a storm jib. Otherwise,
however, I'll reef the working jib and main before going offshore. And
if winds build higher, reef it again.




1. What sort of handling do you expect from the 26M in a 40kt wind?

The boat should be fairly stable in 40Kt winds if sufficiently reefed.



and by ''sufficiently reefed'' you mean tied down to the trailer, right?




But ultimately, Jim are the one
who demonstrated how stupid Jim really are.

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

What about unexpected weather??

In that case, I would plan to take the sails down and deploy a sea
anchor. Or, I may perish at sea, in which case you would no longer
have the pleasure of responding to my notes on this discussion string.

Jim

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:09:28 -0500, Jim Cate wrote
this crap:



Jonathan Ganz wrote:

What about unexpected weather??

In that case, I would plan to take the sails down and deploy a sea
anchor. Or, I may perish at sea, in which case you would no longer
have the pleasure of responding to my notes on this discussion string.

Now THAT'S what we've been praying for.





Screw the rules! They're more like guidelines, anyways.

I don't usually agree with you, but on this we're on the
same page.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:09:28 -0500, Jim Cate wrote
this crap:



Jonathan Ganz wrote:

What about unexpected weather??

In that case, I would plan to take the sails down and deploy a sea
anchor. Or, I may perish at sea, in which case you would no longer
have the pleasure of responding to my notes on this discussion string.

Now THAT'S what we've been praying for.





Screw the rules! They're more like guidelines, anyways.

Jim Cate wrote:

The plan is to reef the working jib before going offshore. Or, if the
winds may be severe, to hank on a storm jib in place of the working
jib.

How do you hank a storm jib on when there's a roller furling mech in the
way? Does it have a second forestay for the purpose?


Depends on the degree of reef in the main and furling of the jib.

Is that roller furling or roller reefing on the jib?


Nope. You, again, have it bass ass backwards.

Stop talking crap - 70 knots is a hurricane and 100 miles offshore isn't
coastal cruising. The 26M is a beginner's boat and isn't built for such
conditions.


Of course, everyone recognized that you thought you were throwing me a
"gotcha." You intended to trip me up. But ultimately, YOU are the one
who demonstrated how stupid you really are.

I freely admit that I am a sweet, innocent, fresh-faced n00b. Unlike you, I
don't come in here spouting irrational, badly-argued garbage while making a
bunch of ridiculous claims.

You're a troll, or a moron, or a moronic troll, or a trolling moron. Pick
one.


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