Scott Vernon wrote:

Smart-ass Jim Cate" wrote ...

It tells me when we have "40-not" winds.



And then wrote.....


the boat makes better
speed if you keep it relatively upright rather than heavily keeled.

Jim



So now the mac has an adjustable weight keel?

SV



heeled.

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Scott Vernon wrote:

Scotty wrote....

the Mac26Xm is a cheap plastic piece of crap that doesn't sail worth a

damn.


"Jim Cate" wrote ...


Agreed.

Jim


And your boat is made of wood? Ferrocement? Iron? Aluminum?

Jim


*IF* I had a boat, it wouldn't be a Mac26Mx.

Scotty

Jim Cate wrote:

In any such decision, one likes to gather as much substantive
information possible for consideration before making a decision. In
this case, I got little if any substantive information from this ng.
This was a significant clue. - It told me that much of the "Mac
Bashers" really didn't have any direct knowledge of the 26M, and that
most of the Mac Bashing had no basis in fact. It further told me that
many on this ng who commented on the Macs really didn't know what the
hell they were talking about.

You are a moron.



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glass houses, jim, glass houses.....


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

Smart-ass Jim Cate" wrote ...

It tells me when we have "40-not" winds.



And then wrote.....


the boat makes better
speed if you keep it relatively upright rather than heavily keeled.

Jim



So now the mac has an adjustable weight keel?

SV



heeled.

Wally wrote:

Jim Cate wrote:


Where does the depth bit fit into this? Faceitiousness aside, what
sort of handling do you expect from the 26M in a 40kt wind? How much
reef would you put in the main, and what size of jib would you use?
How much heel would you expect when going to windward?


Since I plan occasionally to go offshore in moderate conditions, ...


70 knots is not 'moderate'.



I
have ordered the boat with several accessories relating to safety,
etc. - These include three reefing points in the main, roller
furling,


Is that roller furling or roller reefing? If the former, how do you propose
to bend on a small jib?


The plan is to reef the working jib before going offshore. Or, if the
winds may be severe, to hank on a storm jib in place of the working jib.




The depth and knot meters are desirable in the Galveston bay area in
view of the fact that much of our bay waters are relatively shallow,


How does a knot meter help in shallow water?


The knot meter tells me whether I'm making too much headway for safety
when navigating a narrow and silted channel. It also gives me a means
for estimating how far I have traveled, and what my position is. It's a
backup to the chartreader.


and some of the channels are narrow and not kept in good condition.


What do you mean?


They aren't dredged often enough to maintain their reported and charted
depth depth and width.


However, I understand that the boat
makes better speed if you keep it relatively upright rather than
heavily keeled. Again, I'll have to do some experimentation to arrive
at preferred reefing points, heel angles, sail configurations, etc.,
for various conditions.


I asked:

1. What sort of handling do you expect from the 26M in a 40kt wind?

The boat should be fairly stable in 40Kt winds if sufficiently reefed.

2. How much reef would you put in the main, and what size of jib would you
use?

As previously noted, these parameters would be determined empirically,
through an extended series of sea trials in varying conditions.



3. How much heel would you expect when going to windward?

Depends on the degree of reef in the main and furling of the jib.


And your answer is, in effect, "I don't know". Yet, you're planning to go
out in 70kt winds.

Nope. You, again, have it bass ass backwards. - If I told you that I
would expect 27.5 degrees of heel, with a particular set of sails
deployed, THAT would be a joke. - What I told you was that I would be
conducting a series of sea trials using varying combinations of sails
and reefing points in varying winds. That series of tests, when sailing
under varying conditions, is the only way I would want to rely on to set
the sails under heavy weather conditions.

Of course, everyone recognized that you thought you were throwing me a
"gotcha." You intended to trip me up. But ultimately, YOU are the one
who demonstrated how stupid you really are.

Jim

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

And, he's not moderately stupid either.

Have a nice evening, Johny.

Jim

So, what you're saying is that you can't prove it. Ok.
That's all I wanted to know.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Post the bill of sale. Consider how stupid you are currently
perceived by claiming your piece of crap is anything more
than that.


Jonathan, I ordered the boat last month, as indicated. Whay are you so
concerned about when I ordereed it? What are you trying to prove?

Regarding your statement that the Mac is a piece of crap, actually, I'm
very fortunate to be able to get one of the few 26Ms still available in
the next few months. It's a spectacular, high-tech, innovative new
vessel incorporating a number of improvements derived from Mac's
extensive exeperience over the years. I'm very lucky to be able to get
one of the few available this year.

Jim

You're right! Most people buy a boat and hardly sail it. But, MacBoy
claimed he was going to sail it in high wind conditions up to 70kts. He's
clearly either delusional or a liar. He claimed that it's a better boat than
a Valient. It isn't. He claimed it is double-hulled. It isn't.

I'm not a big fan of hunters, but I am a big fan of people who actually
go sailing. If he were actually going to sail his Mac in conditions that
would be appropriate for that kind of boat (insert snikering here), then
I would have some respect for him.

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"Veridican" wrote in message
...
I'm very lucky to be able to get
one of the few available this year.


I don't know about lucky, but it's true about Macs, you have to wait for
them.
I suppose it's because they're the least expensive 26 footer out there.

Look, most people buy a boat that size and never sail it, so what
difference
does it make what kind of quality it is. It can stand up to rain in the
slip or
driveway as good as any other boat.

My wife and I are day sailors in our 14.5 foot Hunter. But we sail on the
ocean
and we sail all the time. That's what matters.

The Veridican

The Veridican

No.. you check the notes. I have better things to do Jimmy.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

You're a liar and a fraud as best as I can tell. You're an old fool
at best.


Wrong again, Johnny. Check the notes posted on this newsgroup in March
of 1997, and thereafter.

Jim

Well, you have a point. I wouldn't consider my Cal 20 a rich sailor's
boat. Do you?

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"EdGordonRN" wrote in message
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Exactly. I know several people who drive junker cars. I have
no problem with that. I would have a problem if one of them
claimed it handled better than my SVX

Ah, the rich sailor. God I hate rich sailors. I mean the Mac is a piece of
****, I agree, but rich people suck worse than cable steering and a 50 hp
power
motor strapped on the back of a milk carton boat.

The Veridican