Scott Vernon wrote:

Isn't the M25 in the Sail hall of fame? Ever seen a Mac/Venture 23' cutter
rigged? Cool looking boat.

Yes, the "Venture of Newport" which was intended to cash in on the growing
popularity of classic boats at that time.

Not to disillusion you Scott but it is really just a Venture 21 with a bowsprit
& quarter rail screwed on. It is pretty cool looking though. There is one that
sails a lake nearby, the owner has changed it to a quasi-gaff rig, added a row
of bronze portholes, and some other old-timey nautical gear. Makes you want to
grab a rusty cutlass and shout "Argh, matey!"

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Yeah, VoN. That's it. Looked at one (yellow hull) in Joisey. A little too
small for us. Don't they have more shear line than a 21?

http://www.macgregor-boats.com/broch...ers/mac23.html

SV

"DSK" wrote in message
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Scott Vernon wrote:

Isn't the M25 in the Sail hall of fame? Ever seen a Mac/Venture 23'
cutter
rigged? Cool looking boat.

Yes, the "Venture of Newport" which was intended to cash in on the growing
popularity of classic boats at that time.

Not to disillusion you Scott but it is really just a Venture 21 with a
bowsprit
& quarter rail screwed on. It is pretty cool looking though. There is one
that
sails a lake nearby, the owner has changed it to a quasi-gaff rig, added a
row
of bronze portholes, and some other old-timey nautical gear. Makes you
want to
grab a rusty cutlass and shout "Argh, matey!"

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Scott Vernon wrote:

Yeah, VoN. That's it. Looked at one (yellow hull) in Joisey. A little too
small for us. Don't they have more shear line than a 21?

http://www.macgregor-boats.com/broch...ers/mac23.html

Yes, they do... I have heard varying reports on this. One is that they bent the
hull mold with a chain hoist to make the VoN model. Another is that they padded
the mold around the transom with three chunks of plywood & some wax paper.
Probably only Roger Macgregor knows the truth. But anyway, the hull sections,
the rig, and most of the deck (they changed the cabin trunk a bit too) are the
same.

MacGregor is for sure not the only boat builder to do this. Lots of other
builders too. The Santana 23 has been reincarnated three or four times, always
with the same hull.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

I was wondering if they made new molds for the New/improved M or simply
scotch taped some cardboard here and there.

SV

"DSK" wrote in message
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Scott Vernon wrote:

Yeah, VoN. That's it. Looked at one (yellow hull) in Joisey. A little
too
small for us. Don't they have more shear line than a 21?

http://www.macgregor-boats.com/broch...ers/mac23.html

Yes, they do... I have heard varying reports on this. One is that they
bent the
hull mold with a chain hoist to make the VoN model. Another is that they
padded
the mold around the transom with three chunks of plywood & some wax paper.
Probably only Roger Macgregor knows the truth. But anyway, the hull
sections,
the rig, and most of the deck (they changed the cabin trunk a bit too) are
the
same.

MacGregor is for sure not the only boat builder to do this. Lots of other
builders too. The Santana 23 has been reincarnated three or four times,
always
with the same hull.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King