SAIL LOCO wrote:
I think the guy is bi-polar just like the boat he is asking about.

The funny thing is, he came here to ask advice (more than once
actually), and is walking away thinking it's somebody else who's the
dummy in this picture.

DSK

You need to read the notes you respond to more carefully. What I said was:


Jim, while this group can offer valid and often helpful advice, they soon tire
of a subject and turn to school yard in-fighting. It's been the nature of
Alt.Sailing.Asa for some years now. It's up to you if you want to take any of
it seriously.
The Mac line of power sailors is generally considered by MANY to be ugly, cheap
and poor sailing boats. They are also expensive for what they are. I was aboard
a new M at the AC Boat show (I didn't even know it wasn't called the 26X
anymore). It was a laughable excuse for a power or sailboat. I was told it
could do nearly 25 knots, though 3 foot chop would cut that by a 3rd. A 3rd?
Such a loss of performance from moderate chop is indicative of design limits
too steep for my blood.
Few people, other than a Mac owner will encourage you to buy one. While it may
be the "best" compromise between power and sail, the trade offs are downright
offensive to sailors. If you have sailed good sailboats, I seriously think
you'll be dissapointed in the Mac and regret buying one.

Best of Luck,

Robert B
C&C 32, Alien
NY

What did Porta Scotty's Siedlemann go for new? What would it reasonably bring
today.


I know of two Siedlemann 30s that sold for 4 and 7K. The one for 4K was
actually pretty clean and had new electronics. The one for 7K had deck problems
($$) after a few years that left her high and dry. She's at Harlem YC if anyone
wants her. They are nearly impossible to sell. There's a larger model at
Styvesant Yacht club (33 or 34?) that simply can't be sold.

RB

What
did your Cal20 go for new? What would it resonably sell for today?


The Cal20 is a bargain basement boat, but it's also a minor classic that
deserves some respect, I think. It's value is well beyond it's cost and Cal was
a good builder much of the time.

RB

On 02 Mar 2004 00:15:41 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

This could be considered a classic definition of "Damning with Faint
Praise"
I still prefer your boat to the Hunter, but I can certainly see the DS appeal.
Are you all set for the new season?
Got a lot still to do. About a dozen technical items and then cleanup,
wax and paint. If the weather cooperates, I'll splash 1st week of
April.

The head project is finished. I rented a special electric hose end
heater from Sealand to facilitate the instalation of their "Odorsafe"
hose. Between that and barbless fittings, an impossible job was made
possible.

RB

This could be considered a classic definition of "Damning with Faint
Praise"
I still prefer your boat to the Hunter, but I can certainly see the DS appeal.

Are you all set for the new season?


Not at all. I don't really care for the Hunter line and probably would never
buy one. BUT...I think the newer boats have made a big jump up in quality and
have Beneteau and Catalina scrambling. Still, I rather have a Catalina.
Beneteau slaps boats together and I would sooner own a Siedlemann.
I have a nice new dodger coming for Alien and a Zip-On awning. I didn't go for
the bimini because it looked awful in the pics and sketches. Other than making
a new hatchboard, putting in a new depth sounder and a little teak work...all
set to go!

RB

The new reformed & warned "Bobsprit" wrote


Jim, while this group can offer valid and often helpful advice, they soon
tire
of a subject and turn to school yard in-fighting. It's been the nature of
Alt.Sailing.Asa for some years now. It's up to you if you want to take any
of
it seriously.

Which you are 85% responsible for yourself.



The Mac line of power sailors is generally considered by MANY to be ugly,
cheap
and poor sailing boats. They are also expensive for what they are.


Yet they are the best selling sailboat in history.


I was aboard
a new M at the AC Boat show (I didn't even know it wasn't called the 26X
anymore). It was a laughable excuse for a power or sailboat.


You could tell this at the boat show?

Hey stupid, don't you know what I paid? Everybody else does. Do a Google,
if you're capable. And while you're at it, learn how to use a spell check.

Scotty

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:39:33 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"

wrote:

I've forgotten... what kind of boat do you own? Do you
think it'll go up in value?


My boat model's average retail is slightly higher today than the original
selling price... And don't worry about today's dollar versus 1986 dollars.
During those years, I've taken equity in the form of use out of the boat
that
more than makes up for inflation. Nobody goes sailing to save money,
anyway.

What did Porta Scotty's Siedlemann go for new? What would it reasonably
bring
today. Don't forget to factor in that Scotty probably paid too much for
it. What
did your Cal20 go for new? What would it resonably sell for today?

BB

wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:52:45 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote:

I see your math is no better than your English.



You are right! $30k would probably get you at least 15 or more
Sidelmanns
in
today's market. They sure aren't ever going to go UP in value.

BB


wrote in message
.. .
On 01 Mar 2004 23:15:48 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

But maybe $30K is a horrendous lot
of money to you, Jax?


It's a horendous amount for THAT boat. 30K can buy....

A J30 and a J24
Two Pearson 30s
A C&C 30 late model
A Catalina 30 late 80's
A Bristol 29.5

And so on....

RB

or an even dozen Sidelmanns!

BB

sniff, sniff, smells like a troll.........better be careful bob.

SV

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
What did Porta Scotty's Siedlemann go for new? What would it reasonably
bring
today.


I know of two Siedlemann 30s that sold for 4 and 7K. The one for 4K was
actually pretty clean and had new electronics. The one for 7K had deck
problems
($$) after a few years that left her high and dry. She's at Harlem YC if
anyone
wants her. They are nearly impossible to sell. There's a larger model at
Styvesant Yacht club (33 or 34?) that simply can't be sold.

RB

sniff, sniff, smells like a troll.........better be careful bob.


Sorry, Scotty. When it comes to the Siedlemann's, the "truth" may sound like a
troll, but it sadly isn't.
I'm glad you're happy with your boat. I still think you'd have done well to
listen to the comments on the boat which pointed out that the line was poorly
regarded.
Maybe you have a "good one" and I certainly hope so. If you're seeking a larger
version of your boat, contact me direct. The one on City Island has been
sitting for years, unwanted. My J24 sailing friend, seeking a larger boat,
inquired about it and EVERYONE at the club warned her away from Siedlemanns.
They are not free or ultra cheap for no reason, Scotty.

RB