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SkitchNYC February 28th 04 05:37 PM

Math Problem
 
Say you are sailing a course of 190 and making 5 kn. An adverse current
suddenly gets you and you are now making a COG of 90. Assume the new COG is at
the same speed (5kn) and again at 2.5 kn. What direction and speed must the
current be to produce either of these results? Can such a current exist in a
Gulf Stream eddie?

JAXAshby February 28th 04 06:05 PM

Math Problem
 
*IF* those are the parameters (in the case I was under we were making something
less than 5 knots and we didn't bother to check how fast we were going east, we
just confirmed and tacked) ...

.... *THEN* one needs a current componant at 010 at 5 knots and a current
componant at 5 knots as well, which would be roughly (would be exact if the
original course were at 180 rather than 190) a total current at 045 of just
over 7 knots. This would be a pretty strong eddy, though I am not sure that
such does not exist.

In any event, I believe we were making about 3 knots at 190* (we were sailing,
as each of us enjoyed sailing, the owner was exceptionally experienced, we had
a long ways to go, and we were not sure we had enough fuel to motor forever),
which an eddy of 3 knots (much common in eddies) at 011 would have given us
easting enough to show on our gps's.


Say you are sailing a course of 190 and making 5 kn. An adverse current
suddenly gets you and you are now making a COG of 90. Assume the new COG is
at
the same speed (5kn) and again at 2.5 kn. What direction and speed must the
current be to produce either of these results? Can such a current exist in a
Gulf Stream eddie?









Rick February 28th 04 06:43 PM

Math Problem
 
Yeah, sure Jax, you were looking at the GPS and read the COG but not the
speed ... Do you really think everyone here is as ****ed up as you are?

Rick

JAXAshby wrote:
*IF* those are the parameters (in the case I was under we were making something
less than 5 knots and we didn't bother to check how fast we were going east, we
just confirmed and tacked) ...



JAXAshby February 28th 04 06:56 PM

Math Problem
 
on my gps at that time, speed was displayed on a different screen from course.

rick, I sorry that your lack of knowledge and understanding in this very tiny
issue -- and issue known and understood by others who have actually sailed in
areas with ocean currents -- so clearly shows you know nothing but what you
read on the net on any subject at all.

Rick, how was the ag pilot business? The ATP rating? The stolen construction
site plywood turned into a fine dinghy? The schooner trip to Mexico that
lasted 5 years? The master of a an ocean going freighter for ten years? All
before you turned 35?

Yeah, sure Jax, you were looking at the GPS and read the COG but not the
speed ... Do you really think everyone here is as ****ed up as you are?

Rick

JAXAshby wrote:
*IF* those are the parameters (in the case I was under we were making

something
less than 5 knots and we didn't bother to check how fast we were going

east, we
just confirmed and tacked) ...











Rick February 28th 04 07:01 PM

Math Problem
 
JAXAshby wrote:

on my gps at that time, speed was displayed on a different screen from course.


You wrote that you were "playing with" the GPS, sounds like a typical
Jax backpedal to me.

Rick, how was the ag pilot business? The ATP rating? The stolen construction
site plywood turned into a fine dinghy? The schooner trip to Mexico that
lasted 5 years? The master of a an ocean going freighter for ten years? All
before you turned 35?


More typical Jax fantasy material ... The only thing you got right is
the ATP. The rest must be some envious fantasy you have about some other
guy.

It looks like they let you out a bit early this time or they haven't got
your meds quite right yet. The speedos a bit too tight maybe?

Rick


JAXAshby February 28th 04 08:08 PM

Math Problem
 
ricky, I know you don't understand this, but you do NOT navigate minute by
minute by minute by minute when you are well offshore outside the 100 fathom
line and not another vessel in sight. "playing" is the right word for the
situation.

as for the rest, I see you have conveniently forgotten all that you posted
while your were still "finding" your screen personna.


on my gps at that time, speed was displayed on a different screen from

course.

You wrote that you were "playing with" the GPS, sounds like a typical
Jax backpedal to me.

Rick, how was the ag pilot business? The ATP rating? The stolen

construction
site plywood turned into a fine dinghy? The schooner trip to Mexico that
lasted 5 years? The master of a an ocean going freighter for ten years?

All
before you turned 35?


More typical Jax fantasy material ... The only thing you got right is
the ATP. The rest must be some envious fantasy you have about some other
guy.

It looks like they let you out a bit early this time or they haven't got
your meds quite right yet. The speedos a bit too tight maybe?

Rick










Rick February 28th 04 08:27 PM

Math Problem
 
Ball is in your park, Jax. Show the posts. Put up or show yourself to be
what we all know you to be anyway, a jealous, impotent, incompetent
wannabe with a vivid fantasy life who thinks a flamefest means someone
cares.

Have a nice day, Jax. You aren't worth the bandwidth.

Rick

JAXAshby wrote:

ricky, I know you don't understand this, but you do NOT navigate minute by
minute by minute by minute when you are well offshore outside the 100 fathom
line and not another vessel in sight. "playing" is the right word for the
situation.

as for the rest, I see you have conveniently forgotten all that you posted
while your were still "finding" your screen personna.



on my gps at that time, speed was displayed on a different screen from


course.

You wrote that you were "playing with" the GPS, sounds like a typical
Jax backpedal to me.


Rick, how was the ag pilot business? The ATP rating? The stolen


construction

site plywood turned into a fine dinghy? The schooner trip to Mexico that
lasted 5 years? The master of a an ocean going freighter for ten years?


All

before you turned 35?


More typical Jax fantasy material ... The only thing you got right is
the ATP. The rest must be some envious fantasy you have about some other
guy.

It looks like they let you out a bit early this time or they haven't got
your meds quite right yet. The speedos a bit too tight maybe?

Rick












JAXAshby February 28th 04 08:59 PM

Math Problem
 
From: Rick
Date: 2/28/2004 3:27 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: k.net




[snip of sexual rage]




Rick






Horvath February 28th 04 10:52 PM

Hunter for sale
 
" wrote in message om...
My fine hunter sailboat is up for sale. Last night as I stumbled back
to my boat I fell off the dock, hitting my head on the cabin top. When
I woke up this morning I found a big crack in the fibergkass. As I've
told Douglass, when my boat has a crack, I buy a new one. Of course
I'll buy another Hunter. or maybe a Magregor?

BB



Dude, your mixed up.




This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

Donal February 28th 04 11:37 PM

Math Problem
 

"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
Say you are sailing a course of 190 and making 5 kn. An adverse current
suddenly gets you and you are now making a COG of 90. Assume the new COG

is at
the same speed (5kn)


Current = 50*, 8kts


and again at 2.5 kn.


36* 6.2 kts.


What direction and speed must the
current be to produce either of these results? Can such a current exist

in a
Gulf Stream eddie?


I don't know the Gulf stream, but I am fairly sure that I could find it!



Regards


Donal
--




Horvath February 29th 04 01:01 AM

Hunter for sale
 
On 28 Feb 2004 14:52:54 -0800, (Horvath) wrote
this crap:

" wrote in message om...
My fine hunter sailboat is up for sale. Last night as I stumbled back
to my boat I fell off the dock, hitting my head on the cabin top. When
I woke up this morning I found a big crack in the fibergkass. As I've
told Douglass, when my boat has a crack, I buy a new one. Of course
I'll buy another Hunter. or maybe a Magregor?

BB



Dude, your mixed up.




This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe


If you're going to forge posts from me, at least learn to spell,
dumbass.




This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

Thom Stewart February 29th 04 01:33 AM

Math Problem
 
Skitch,

You said it better than me,

Ole Thom


JAXAshby February 29th 04 04:27 AM

Math Problem
 
donny, your math wouldn't get you promoted from 10th grade to 11th.

(what the hell do *you* think the sq rt of 50 is, for the krist sakes?)




"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
Say you are sailing a course of 190 and making 5 kn. An adverse current
suddenly gets you and you are now making a COG of 90. Assume the new COG

is at
the same speed (5kn)


Current = 50*, 8kts


and again at 2.5 kn.


36* 6.2 kts.


What direction and speed must the
current be to produce either of these results? Can such a current exist

in a
Gulf Stream eddie?


I don't know the Gulf stream, but I am fairly sure that I could find it!



Regards


Donal
--












JAXAshby February 29th 04 04:29 AM

Math Problem
 
maybe ole fart, but donny don't even know what the sq rt of 50 is.

do you? [it *IS* important, in this case]

Skitch,

You said it better than me,

Ole Thom










Jonathan Ganz February 29th 04 04:46 AM

Hunter for sale
 
Why would they need to do that?

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On 28 Feb 2004 14:52:54 -0800, (Horvath) wrote
this crap:

"

wrote in message
om...
My fine hunter sailboat is up for sale. Last night as I stumbled back
to my boat I fell off the dock, hitting my head on the cabin top. When
I woke up this morning I found a big crack in the fibergkass. As I've
told Douglass, when my boat has a crack, I buy a new one. Of course
I'll buy another Hunter. or maybe a Magregor?

BB



Dude, your mixed up.




This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe


If you're going to forge posts from me, at least learn to spell,
dumbass.




This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe




DD730 February 29th 04 12:53 PM

Math Problem
 
7.071067812


AXAshby wrote:
maybe ole fart, but donny don't even know what the sq rt of 50 is.

do you? [it *IS* important, in this case]

Skitch,

You said it better than me,

Ole Thom




JAXAshby February 29th 04 03:13 PM

Math Problem
 
7.071067812

donny don't even know what the sq rt of 50 is.


actually, the square root of 50 is an irrational number (meaning never end,
never repeating) that is just a rough estimate. a more accurate answer to
1,000 decimal places is:

5 * 1.4142135623 73095048801688724209
69807856967187537694807317667973799073247846210703 88503875343276415727
350138462309122970249248360558 507372126441214970999358314132
226659275055927557999505011527 820605714701095599716059702745
345968620147285174186408891986 095523292304843087143214508397
626036279952514079896872533965 463318088296406206152583523950
547457502877599617298355752203 375318570113543746034084988471
603868999706990048150305440277 903164542478230684929369186215
805784631115966687130130156185 689872372352885092648612494977
154218334204285686060146824720 771435854874155657069677653720
226485447015858801620758474922 657226002085584466521458398893
944370926591800311388246468157 082630100594858704003186480342
194897278290641045072636881313 739855256117322040245091227700
226941127573627280495738108967 504018369868368450725799364729
060762996941380475654823728997 180326802474420629269124859052
181004459842150591120249441341 728531478105803603371077309182
869314710171111683916581726889 419758716582152128229518488472 08969

Note: if a thousand digits is not accurate enough, let me know and I can do the
math quickly up to maybe 5 million decimal places. More than 5 mil will take
me a bit longer.



BinaryBillThesailor@Sea++.com BinaryBillThesailor February 29th 04 04:26 PM

Hunter for sale
 
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Why would they need to do that?


Because that is his sig.

BB

Horvath February 29th 04 04:32 PM

Hunter for sale
 



If you're going to forge posts from me,
at least learn to spell dumbass.



" D U M B A S S "



This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

DD730 February 29th 04 04:50 PM

Math Problem
 
Wrong again.

JAXAshby wrote:
7.071067812

donny don't even know what the sq rt of 50 is.


actually, the square root of 50 is an irrational number (meaning
never end, never repeating) that is just a rough estimate. a more
accurate answer to 1,000 decimal places is:

5 * 1.4142135623 73095048801688724209
69807856967187537694807317667973799073247846210703 88503875343276415727
350138462309122970249248360558 507372126441214970999358314132
226659275055927557999505011527 820605714701095599716059702745
345968620147285174186408891986 095523292304843087143214508397
626036279952514079896872533965 463318088296406206152583523950
547457502877599617298355752203 375318570113543746034084988471
603868999706990048150305440277 903164542478230684929369186215
805784631115966687130130156185 689872372352885092648612494977
154218334204285686060146824720 771435854874155657069677653720
226485447015858801620758474922 657226002085584466521458398893
944370926591800311388246468157 082630100594858704003186480342
194897278290641045072636881313 739855256117322040245091227700
226941127573627280495738108967 504018369868368450725799364729
060762996941380475654823728997 180326802474420629269124859052
181004459842150591120249441341 728531478105803603371077309182
869314710171111683916581726889 419758716582152128229518488472 08969

Note: if a thousand digits is not accurate enough, let me know and I
can do the math quickly up to maybe 5 million decimal places. More
than 5 mil will take me a bit longer.




JAXAshby February 29th 04 04:58 PM

Math Problem
 
oh? and the correct answer is????

From: "DD730"

Wrong again.

JAXAshby wrote:
7.071067812

donny don't even know what the sq rt of 50 is.


actually, the square root of 50 is an irrational number (meaning
never end, never repeating) that is just a rough estimate. a more
accurate answer to 1,000 decimal places is:

5 * 1.4142135623 73095048801688724209
69807856967187537694807317667973799073247846210703 88503875343276415727
350138462309122970249248360558 507372126441214970999358314132
226659275055927557999505011527 820605714701095599716059702745
345968620147285174186408891986 095523292304843087143214508397
626036279952514079896872533965 463318088296406206152583523950
547457502877599617298355752203 375318570113543746034084988471
603868999706990048150305440277 903164542478230684929369186215
805784631115966687130130156185 689872372352885092648612494977
154218334204285686060146824720 771435854874155657069677653720
226485447015858801620758474922 657226002085584466521458398893
944370926591800311388246468157 082630100594858704003186480342
194897278290641045072636881313 739855256117322040245091227700
226941127573627280495738108967 504018369868368450725799364729
060762996941380475654823728997 180326802474420629269124859052
181004459842150591120249441341 728531478105803603371077309182
869314710171111683916581726889 419758716582152128229518488472 08969

Note: if a thousand digits is not accurate enough, let me know and I
can do the math quickly up to maybe 5 million decimal places. More
than 5 mil will take me a bit longer.












Jonathan Ganz February 29th 04 07:35 PM

Hunter for sale
 
We know you're a bumpass. What's your point?

"Horvath" wrote in message
om...



If you're going to forge posts from me,
at least learn to spell dumbass.



" D U M B A S S "



This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe




Jonathan Ganz February 29th 04 07:35 PM

Math Problem
 
You missed a digit.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
7.071067812

donny don't even know what the sq rt of 50 is.


actually, the square root of 50 is an irrational number (meaning never

end,
never repeating) that is just a rough estimate. a more accurate answer to
1,000 decimal places is:

5 * 1.4142135623 73095048801688724209
69807856967187537694807317667973799073247846210703 88503875343276415727
350138462309122970249248360558 507372126441214970999358314132
226659275055927557999505011527 820605714701095599716059702745
345968620147285174186408891986 095523292304843087143214508397
626036279952514079896872533965 463318088296406206152583523950
547457502877599617298355752203 375318570113543746034084988471
603868999706990048150305440277 903164542478230684929369186215
805784631115966687130130156185 689872372352885092648612494977
154218334204285686060146824720 771435854874155657069677653720
226485447015858801620758474922 657226002085584466521458398893
944370926591800311388246468157 082630100594858704003186480342
194897278290641045072636881313 739855256117322040245091227700
226941127573627280495738108967 504018369868368450725799364729
060762996941380475654823728997 180326802474420629269124859052
181004459842150591120249441341 728531478105803603371077309182
869314710171111683916581726889 419758716582152128229518488472 08969

Note: if a thousand digits is not accurate enough, let me know and I can

do the
math quickly up to maybe 5 million decimal places. More than 5 mil will

take
me a bit longer.





Donal February 29th 04 11:23 PM

Math Problem
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
donny, your math wouldn't get you promoted from 10th grade to 11th.

(what the hell do *you* think the sq rt of 50 is, for the krist sakes?)


As it happens, I don't have an opinion about the square root of 50.

Now, perhaps you could tell us why you think that my mathematical skills are
lacking??

While you are at it, you can also tell us about the malicious code that I
sent you in an e-mail?


I haven't forgotten about your lying accusation! I think that you should
admit that you might have made a mistake

Think about it!


Regards


Donal
--




JAXAshby March 1st 04 06:39 AM

Math Problem
 
yeah, maybe. but what the hey. one digit in a thousand.


You missed a digit.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
7.071067812

donny don't even know what the sq rt of 50 is.


actually, the square root of 50 is an irrational number (meaning never

end,
never repeating) that is just a rough estimate. a more accurate answer to
1,000 decimal places is:

5 * 1.4142135623 73095048801688724209
69807856967187537694807317667973799073247846210703 88503875343276415727
350138462309122970249248360558 507372126441214970999358314132
226659275055927557999505011527 820605714701095599716059702745
345968620147285174186408891986 095523292304843087143214508397
626036279952514079896872533965 463318088296406206152583523950
547457502877599617298355752203 375318570113543746034084988471
603868999706990048150305440277 903164542478230684929369186215
805784631115966687130130156185 689872372352885092648612494977
154218334204285686060146824720 771435854874155657069677653720
226485447015858801620758474922 657226002085584466521458398893
944370926591800311388246468157 082630100594858704003186480342
194897278290641045072636881313 739855256117322040245091227700
226941127573627280495738108967 504018369868368450725799364729
060762996941380475654823728997 180326802474420629269124859052
181004459842150591120249441341 728531478105803603371077309182
869314710171111683916581726889 419758716582152128229518488472 08969

Note: if a thousand digits is not accurate enough, let me know and I can

do the
math quickly up to maybe 5 million decimal places. More than 5 mil will

take
me a bit longer.













JAXAshby March 1st 04 06:41 AM

Math Problem
 
As it happens, I don't have an opinion about the square root of 50.

opinion? how the hell can one had an **opinion** re sq rt 50????

Now, perhaps you could tell us why you think that my mathematical skills are
lacking??


ah ..... maybe see above???

Jeff Morris March 1st 04 02:33 PM

Math Problem
 
Since no one seems willing to do this probably, here are the answers:
Starting with heading of 190 and speed through water 5, to have a COG of 90 and
SOG of 5,
current must be 50 degrees, speed of 7.66

Starting with heading of 190 and speed through water 5, to have a COG of 90 and
SOG of 2.5,
current must be 34.37 degrees, speed of 5.96



For any oblique triangle with angles A, B, and C, and opposite sides a,b, and, c
then:
the law of sines says:

a/ sinA = b / sinB = c / sinC = diameter of circumscribed circle

and the law of cosines says:
c^2 = a^2 + b^2 - 2*a*b* cos C



"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
Say you are sailing a course of 190 and making 5 kn. An adverse current
suddenly gets you and you are now making a COG of 90. Assume the new COG is

at
the same speed (5kn) and again at 2.5 kn. What direction and speed must the
current be to produce either of these results? Can such a current exist in a
Gulf Stream eddie?




JAXAshby March 1st 04 02:47 PM

Math Problem
 
jeffie, the answer was posted three days ago. And it was posted out to 1,000
decimal places.

Earth to jeff, Earth to jeff ...


Since no one seems willing to do this probably, here are the answers:
Starting with heading of 190 and speed through water 5, to have a COG of 90
and
SOG of 5,
current must be 50 degrees, speed of 7.66

Starting with heading of 190 and speed through water 5, to have a COG of 90
and
SOG of 2.5,
current must be 34.37 degrees, speed of 5.96



For any oblique triangle with angles A, B, and C, and opposite sides a,b,
and, c
then:
the law of sines says:

a/ sinA = b / sinB = c / sinC = diameter of circumscribed circle

and the law of cosines says:
c^2 = a^2 + b^2 - 2*a*b* cos C



"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
Say you are sailing a course of 190 and making 5 kn. An adverse current
suddenly gets you and you are now making a COG of 90. Assume the new COG

is
at
the same speed (5kn) and again at 2.5 kn. What direction and speed must

the
current be to produce either of these results? Can such a current exist in

a
Gulf Stream eddie?












Jeff Morris March 1st 04 03:11 PM

Math Problem
 
Why give an answer to 1000 places when it wrong in the second place? The point
of nav problems is to be able to get the correct answer, not something within
10%.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffie, the answer was posted three days ago. And it was posted out to 1,000
decimal places.

Earth to jeff, Earth to jeff ...


Since no one seems willing to do this probably, here are the answers:
Starting with heading of 190 and speed through water 5, to have a COG of 90
and
SOG of 5,
current must be 50 degrees, speed of 7.66

Starting with heading of 190 and speed through water 5, to have a COG of 90
and
SOG of 2.5,
current must be 34.37 degrees, speed of 5.96



For any oblique triangle with angles A, B, and C, and opposite sides a,b,
and, c
then:
the law of sines says:

a/ sinA = b / sinB = c / sinC = diameter of circumscribed circle

and the law of cosines says:
c^2 = a^2 + b^2 - 2*a*b* cos C



"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
Say you are sailing a course of 190 and making 5 kn. An adverse current
suddenly gets you and you are now making a COG of 90. Assume the new COG

is
at
the same speed (5kn) and again at 2.5 kn. What direction and speed must

the
current be to produce either of these results? Can such a current exist in

a
Gulf Stream eddie?














JAXAshby March 1st 04 03:24 PM

Math Problem
 
ah, it seems you didn't understand the ramifications of the question.

not surprising.


Why give an answer to 1000 places when it wrong in the second place? The
point
of nav problems is to be able to get the correct answer, not something within
10%.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffie, the answer was posted three days ago. And it was posted out to

1,000
decimal places.

Earth to jeff, Earth to jeff ...


Since no one seems willing to do this probably, here are the answers:
Starting with heading of 190 and speed through water 5, to have a COG of

90
and
SOG of 5,
current must be 50 degrees, speed of 7.66

Starting with heading of 190 and speed through water 5, to have a COG of

90
and
SOG of 2.5,
current must be 34.37 degrees, speed of 5.96



For any oblique triangle with angles A, B, and C, and opposite sides a,b,
and, c
then:
the law of sines says:

a/ sinA = b / sinB = c / sinC = diameter of circumscribed circle

and the law of cosines says:
c^2 = a^2 + b^2 - 2*a*b* cos C



"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
Say you are sailing a course of 190 and making 5 kn. An adverse current
suddenly gets you and you are now making a COG of 90. Assume the new

COG
is
at
the same speed (5kn) and again at 2.5 kn. What direction and speed must
the
current be to produce either of these results? Can such a current exist

in
a
Gulf Stream eddie?





















SkitchNYC March 1st 04 03:35 PM

Math Problem
 
You've only answered one part of the question.

Since no one seems willing to do this probably, here are the answers:
Starting with heading of 190 and speed through water 5, to have a COG of 90
and
SOG of 5,
current must be 50 degrees, speed of 7.66

Starting with heading of 190 and speed through water 5, to have a COG of 90
and
SOG of 2.5,
current must be 34.37 degrees, speed of 5.96



For any oblique triangle with angles A, B, and C, and opposite sides a,b,
and, c
then:
the law of sines says:

a/ sinA = b / sinB = c / sinC = diameter of circumscribed circle

and the law of cosines says:
c^2 = a^2 + b^2 - 2*a*b* cos C



"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
Say you are sailing a course of 190 and making 5 kn. An adverse current
suddenly gets you and you are now making a COG of 90. Assume the new COG

is
at
the same speed (5kn) and again at 2.5 kn. What direction and speed must

the
current be to produce either of these results? Can such a current exist in

a
Gulf Stream eddie?












JAXAshby March 1st 04 03:38 PM

Math Problem
 
go back and re-read the answer, skitch, and you find that the question was more
comprehensively answered than you asked for.

If you don't understand that, well you don't understand that.

You've only answered one part of the question.

Since no one seems willing to do this probably, here are the answers:
Starting with heading of 190 and speed through water 5, to have a COG of 90
and
SOG of 5,
current must be 50 degrees, speed of 7.66

Starting with heading of 190 and speed through water 5, to have a COG of 90
and
SOG of 2.5,
current must be 34.37 degrees, speed of 5.96



For any oblique triangle with angles A, B, and C, and opposite sides a,b,
and, c
then:
the law of sines says:

a/ sinA = b / sinB = c / sinC = diameter of circumscribed circle

and the law of cosines says:
c^2 = a^2 + b^2 - 2*a*b* cos C



"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
Say you are sailing a course of 190 and making 5 kn. An adverse current
suddenly gets you and you are now making a COG of 90. Assume the new COG

is
at
the same speed (5kn) and again at 2.5 kn. What direction and speed must

the
current be to produce either of these results? Can such a current exist

in
a
Gulf Stream eddie?




















Jeff Morris March 1st 04 04:08 PM

Math Problem
 
I think I gave the answer to the "math problem."

As to whether this current can exist in the Gulf Stream or an Eddy, I'm
skeptical. However, I really don't know, and there are certainly many cases of
current running substantially higher than what is "advertised."

Since Jax claims to have only been making 3 knots, and doesn't specify the final
SOG, its actually possible that they were not in an eddy, but in the Gulf Stream
itself. Given the obviously poor navigational skill onboard, I wouldn't doubt
it!


"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
You've only answered one part of the question.

Since no one seems willing to do this probably, here are the answers:
Starting with heading of 190 and speed through water 5, to have a COG of 90
and
SOG of 5,
current must be 50 degrees, speed of 7.66

Starting with heading of 190 and speed through water 5, to have a COG of 90
and
SOG of 2.5,
current must be 34.37 degrees, speed of 5.96



For any oblique triangle with angles A, B, and C, and opposite sides a,b,
and, c
then:
the law of sines says:

a/ sinA = b / sinB = c / sinC = diameter of circumscribed circle

and the law of cosines says:
c^2 = a^2 + b^2 - 2*a*b* cos C



"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
Say you are sailing a course of 190 and making 5 kn. An adverse current
suddenly gets you and you are now making a COG of 90. Assume the new COG

is
at
the same speed (5kn) and again at 2.5 kn. What direction and speed must

the
current be to produce either of these results? Can such a current exist in

a
Gulf Stream eddie?














JAXAshby March 1st 04 04:22 PM

Math Problem
 
I know that *you* don't understand, jeffies, but the problem really was
answered comprehensively within a few minutes of the question being posted.

jeffie, rational discussion with you is near to impossible, for you are not
only much lacking in mental candlepower you are also so lacking in such you are
not even capable of understanding just how lacking.

don't buy an EPIRB, jeffie. Let Darwin help you sail, if you ever do decide to
sail in lieu motoring.

I think I gave the answer to the "math problem."

As to whether this current can exist in the Gulf Stream or an Eddy, I'm
skeptical. However, I really don't know, and there are certainly many cases
of
current running substantially higher than what is "advertised."

Since Jax claims to have only been making 3 knots, and doesn't specify the
final
SOG, its actually possible that they were not in an eddy, but in the Gulf
Stream
itself. Given the obviously poor navigational skill onboard, I wouldn't
doubt
it!


"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
You've only answered one part of the question.

Since no one seems willing to do this probably, here are the answers:
Starting with heading of 190 and speed through water 5, to have a COG of

90
and
SOG of 5,
current must be 50 degrees, speed of 7.66

Starting with heading of 190 and speed through water 5, to have a COG of

90
and
SOG of 2.5,
current must be 34.37 degrees, speed of 5.96



For any oblique triangle with angles A, B, and C, and opposite sides a,b,
and, c
then:
the law of sines says:

a/ sinA = b / sinB = c / sinC = diameter of circumscribed circle

and the law of cosines says:
c^2 = a^2 + b^2 - 2*a*b* cos C



"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
Say you are sailing a course of 190 and making 5 kn. An adverse current
suddenly gets you and you are now making a COG of 90. Assume the new

COG
is
at
the same speed (5kn) and again at 2.5 kn. What direction and speed must
the
current be to produce either of these results? Can such a current exist

in
a
Gulf Stream eddie?





















Jeff Morris March 1st 04 04:46 PM

Math Problem
 
Yes I know you "think" you answered the question, just like you "think" you're a
member of Mensa, and you "think" you graduated high school.

But saying that the answer is something that has a collection of components is
NOT showing that you actually know how to compute such a collection. The fact
that you keep insisting you solved it proves you don't really know how to do it.
And being able to guess within 15% isn't bad, but doesn't show you know how to
navigate.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I know that *you* don't understand, jeffies, but the problem really was
answered comprehensively within a few minutes of the question being posted.

jeffie, rational discussion with you is near to impossible, for you are not
only much lacking in mental candlepower you are also so lacking in such you

are
not even capable of understanding just how lacking.

don't buy an EPIRB, jeffie. Let Darwin help you sail, if you ever do decide

to
sail in lieu motoring.

I think I gave the answer to the "math problem."

As to whether this current can exist in the Gulf Stream or an Eddy, I'm
skeptical. However, I really don't know, and there are certainly many cases
of
current running substantially higher than what is "advertised."

Since Jax claims to have only been making 3 knots, and doesn't specify the
final
SOG, its actually possible that they were not in an eddy, but in the Gulf
Stream
itself. Given the obviously poor navigational skill onboard, I wouldn't
doubt
it!


"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
You've only answered one part of the question.

Since no one seems willing to do this probably, here are the answers:
Starting with heading of 190 and speed through water 5, to have a COG of

90
and
SOG of 5,
current must be 50 degrees, speed of 7.66

Starting with heading of 190 and speed through water 5, to have a COG of

90
and
SOG of 2.5,
current must be 34.37 degrees, speed of 5.96



For any oblique triangle with angles A, B, and C, and opposite sides a,b,
and, c
then:
the law of sines says:

a/ sinA = b / sinB = c / sinC = diameter of circumscribed circle

and the law of cosines says:
c^2 = a^2 + b^2 - 2*a*b* cos C



"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
Say you are sailing a course of 190 and making 5 kn. An adverse current
suddenly gets you and you are now making a COG of 90. Assume the new

COG
is
at
the same speed (5kn) and again at 2.5 kn. What direction and speed must
the
current be to produce either of these results? Can such a current exist

in
a
Gulf Stream eddie?























JAXAshby March 1st 04 05:25 PM

Math Problem
 
jeffies, it is near impossible to have a rational discussion with you, as you
once AGAIN show you have zero understanding of either the issue or the
resultant answer.

you really, really, really don't understand the question, i.e. how much current
and from which direction would be needed to cause a boat to change course by
some large angle.

you, you blithering idiot, are rambling on and on and on and on hoping against
all hope that newbies will forget that you motor training wheels while Walter
Mittying yourself to be Shackleton.

Yes I know you "think" you answered the question, just like you "think"
you're a
member of Mensa, and you "think" you graduated high school.

But saying that the answer is something that has a collection of components
is
NOT showing that you actually know how to compute such a collection. The
fact
that you keep insisting you solved it proves you don't really know how to do
it.
And being able to guess within 15% isn't bad, but doesn't show you know how
to
navigate.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I know that *you* don't understand, jeffies, but the problem really was
answered comprehensively within a few minutes of the question being posted.

jeffie, rational discussion with you is near to impossible, for you are

not
only much lacking in mental candlepower you are also so lacking in such you

are
not even capable of understanding just how lacking.

don't buy an EPIRB, jeffie. Let Darwin help you sail, if you ever do

decide
to
sail in lieu motoring.

I think I gave the answer to the "math problem."

As to whether this current can e




Jeff Morris March 1st 04 08:08 PM

Math Problem
 
Hey Jax, how come you didn't get the right answer to the question? I did. I
then provided the appropriate formulae. All you did was babble about
"components" and then give the wrong answer. You went on for 4 posts about the
"square root of 50" which isn't relevant to the problem.

You're right, you can't have a "rational discussion" with me, or with anyone
else.

BTW, one doesn't describe a current by which direction is comes from, one
describes it by which direction its going. Take the Power Squadron course,
really.






"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, it is near impossible to have a rational discussion with you, as you
once AGAIN show you have zero understanding of either the issue or the
resultant answer.

you really, really, really don't understand the question, i.e. how much

current
and from which direction would be needed to cause a boat to change course by
some large angle.

you, you blithering idiot, are rambling on and on and on and on hoping against
all hope that newbies will forget that you motor training wheels while Walter
Mittying yourself to be Shackleton.

Yes I know you "think" you answered the question, just like you "think"
you're a
member of Mensa, and you "think" you graduated high school.

But saying that the answer is something that has a collection of components
is
NOT showing that you actually know how to compute such a collection. The
fact
that you keep insisting you solved it proves you don't really know how to do
it.
And being able to guess within 15% isn't bad, but doesn't show you know how
to
navigate.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I know that *you* don't understand, jeffies, but the problem really was
answered comprehensively within a few minutes of the question being posted.

jeffie, rational discussion with you is near to impossible, for you are

not
only much lacking in mental candlepower you are also so lacking in such you

are
not even capable of understanding just how lacking.

don't buy an EPIRB, jeffie. Let Darwin help you sail, if you ever do

decide
to
sail in lieu motoring.

I think I gave the answer to the "math problem."

As to whether this current can e






JAXAshby March 1st 04 09:09 PM

Math Problem
 
the square root of 50 was in fact important to the discussion, but it seems you
still don't know why.

go back and re-read the post again and again and again and again until you see
why. (hint: 5^2 + 5^2 = 50)





Hey Jax, how come you didn't get the right answer to the question? I did. I
then provided the appropriate formulae. All you did was babble about
"components" and then give the wrong answer. You went on for 4 posts about
the
"square root of 50" which isn't relevant to the problem.

You're right, you can't have a "rational discussion" with me, or with anyone
else.

BTW, one doesn't describe a current by which direction is comes from, one
describes it by which direction its going. Take the Power Squadron course,
really.






"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, it is near impossible to have a rational discussion with you, as

you
once AGAIN show you have zero understanding of either the issue or the
resultant answer.

you really, really, really don't understand the question, i.e. how much

current
and from which direction would be needed to cause a boat to change course

by
some large angle.

you, you blithering idiot, are rambling on and on and on and on hoping

against
all hope that newbies will forget that you motor training wheels while

Walter
Mittying yourself to be Shackleton.

Yes I know you "think" you answered the question, just like you "think"
you're a
member of Mensa, and you "think" you graduated high school.

But saying that the answer is something that has a collection of

components
is
NOT showing that you actually know how to compute such a collection. The
fact
that you keep insisting you solved it proves you don't really know how to

do
it.
And being able to guess within 15% isn't bad, but doesn't show you know

how
to
navigate.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I know that *you* don't understand, jeffies, but the problem really was
answered comprehensively within a few minutes of the question being

posted.

jeffie, rational discussion with you is near to impossible, for you are
not
only much lacking in mental candlepower you are also so lacking in such

you
are
not even capable of understanding just how lacking.

don't buy an EPIRB, jeffie. Let Darwin help you sail, if you ever do
decide
to
sail in lieu motoring.

I think I gave the answer to the "math problem."

As to whether this current can e












Hey Jax, how come you didn't get the right answer to the question? I did. I
then provided the appropriate formulae. All you did was babble about
"components" and then give the wrong answer. You went on for 4 posts about
the
"square root of 50" which isn't relevant to the problem.

You're right, you can't have a "rational discussion" with me, or with anyone
else.

BTW, one doesn't describe a current by which direction is comes from, one
describes it by which direction its going. Take the Power Squadron course,
really.






"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, it is near impossible to have a rational discussion with you, as

you
once AGAIN show you have zero understanding of either the issue or the
resultant answer.

you really, really, really don't understand the question, i.e. how much

current
and from which direction would be needed to cause a boat to change course

by
some large angle.

you, you blithering idiot, are rambling on and on and on and on hoping

against
all hope that newbies will forget that you motor training wheels while

Walter
Mittying yourself to be Shackleton.

Yes I know you "think" you answered the question, just like you "think"
you're a
member of Mensa, and you "think" you graduated high school.

But saying that the answer is something that has a collection of

components
is
NOT showing that you actually know how to compute such a collection. The
fact
that you keep insisting you solved it proves you don't really know how to

do
it.
And being able to guess within 15% isn't bad, but doesn't show you know

how
to
navigate.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I know that *you* don't understand, jeffies, but the problem really was
answered comprehensively within a few minutes of the question being

posted.

jeffie, rational discussion with you is near to impossible, for you are
not
only much lacking in mental candlepower you are also so lacking in such

you
are
not even capable of understanding just how lacking.

don't buy an EPIRB, jeffie. Let Darwin help you sail, if you ever do
decide
to
sail in lieu motoring.

I think I gave the answer to the "math problem."

As to whether this current can e














Jeff Morris March 1st 04 09:40 PM

Math Problem
 
Yes, if you can't solve the real problem you can make an approximation. What's
your point? You don't know how to solve the real problem? We already know
that.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
the square root of 50 was in fact important to the discussion, but it seems

you
still don't know why.

go back and re-read the post again and again and again and again until you see
why. (hint: 5^2 + 5^2 = 50)





Hey Jax, how come you didn't get the right answer to the question? I did. I
then provided the appropriate formulae. All you did was babble about
"components" and then give the wrong answer. You went on for 4 posts about
the
"square root of 50" which isn't relevant to the problem.

You're right, you can't have a "rational discussion" with me, or with anyone
else.

BTW, one doesn't describe a current by which direction is comes from, one
describes it by which direction its going. Take the Power Squadron course,
really.






"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, it is near impossible to have a rational discussion with you, as

you
once AGAIN show you have zero understanding of either the issue or the
resultant answer.

you really, really, really don't understand the question, i.e. how much

current
and from which direction would be needed to cause a boat to change course

by
some large angle.

you, you blithering idiot, are rambling on and on and on and on hoping

against
all hope that newbies will forget that you motor training wheels while

Walter
Mittying yourself to be Shackleton.

Yes I know you "think" you answered the question, just like you "think"
you're a
member of Mensa, and you "think" you graduated high school.

But saying that the answer is something that has a collection of

components
is
NOT showing that you actually know how to compute such a collection. The
fact
that you keep insisting you solved it proves you don't really know how to

do
it.
And being able to guess within 15% isn't bad, but doesn't show you know

how
to
navigate.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I know that *you* don't understand, jeffies, but the problem really was
answered comprehensively within a few minutes of the question being

posted.

jeffie, rational discussion with you is near to impossible, for you are
not
only much lacking in mental candlepower you are also so lacking in such

you
are
not even capable of understanding just how lacking.

don't buy an EPIRB, jeffie. Let Darwin help you sail, if you ever do
decide
to
sail in lieu motoring.

I think I gave the answer to the "math problem."

As to whether this current can e











Hey Jax, how come you didn't get the right answer to the question? I did. I
then provided the appropriate formulae. All you did was babble about
"components" and then give the wrong answer. You went on for 4 posts about
the
"square root of 50" which isn't relevant to the problem.

You're right, you can't have a "rational discussion" with me, or with anyone
else.

BTW, one doesn't describe a current by which direction is comes from, one
describes it by which direction its going. Take the Power Squadron course,
really.






"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, it is near impossible to have a rational discussion with you, as

you
once AGAIN show you have zero understanding of either the issue or the
resultant answer.

you really, really, really don't understand the question, i.e. how much

current
and from which direction would be needed to cause a boat to change course

by
some large angle.

you, you blithering idiot, are rambling on and on and on and on hoping

against
all hope that newbies will forget that you motor training wheels while

Walter
Mittying yourself to be Shackleton.

Yes I know you "think" you answered the question, just like you "think"
you're a
member of Mensa, and you "think" you graduated high school.

But saying that the answer is something that has a collection of

components
is
NOT showing that you actually know how to compute such a collection. The
fact
that you keep insisting you solved it proves you don't really know how to

do
it.
And being able to guess within 15% isn't bad, but doesn't show you know

how
to
navigate.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I know that *you* don't understand, jeffies, but the problem really was
answered comprehensively within a few minutes of the question being

posted.

jeffie, rational discussion with you is near to impossible, for you are
not
only much lacking in mental candlepower you are also so lacking in such

you
are
not even capable of understanding just how lacking.

don't buy an EPIRB, jeffie. Let Darwin help you sail, if you ever do
decide
to
sail in lieu motoring.

I think I gave the answer to the "math problem."

As to whether this current can e















JAXAshby March 1st 04 10:00 PM

Math Problem
 
jeff the *real* problem was what kind of counter-current was needed to change a
boat's course by a large amount.

That question was answered within minutes by the very first repsonder (me).
After that, the posts got playful as to what precision -- not accuracy -- that
a "little over 7 knots" could be.

you, on the other hand, concerned yourself with precision calculations on
imprecise -- and unknowably precise -- assumptions.

in other words, you didn't understand the question, only the need for
complexity.

The simple and original answer was understood by everyone -- but you -- without
regard to their understanding of, let alone the capability of calculating, the
lengths of non-square triangles.

Yes, if you can't solve the real problem you can make an approximation.
What's
your point? You don't know how to solve the real problem? We already know
that.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
the square root of 50 was in fact important to the discussion, but it seems

you
still don't know why.

go back and re-read the post again and again and again and again until you

see
why. (hint: 5^2 + 5^2 = 50)





Hey Jax, how come you didn't get the right answer to the question? I did.

I
then provided the appropriate formulae. All you did was babble about
"components" and then give the wrong answer. You went on for 4 posts

about
the
"square root of 50" which isn't relevant to the problem.

You're right, you can't have a "rational discussion" with me, or with

anyone
else.

BTW, one doesn't describe a current by which direction is comes from, one
describes it by which direction its going. Take the Power Squadron

course,
really.






"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, it is near impossible to have a rational discussion with you,

as
you
once AGAIN show you have zero understanding of either the issue or the
resultant answer.

you really, really, really don't understand the question, i.e. how much
current
and from which direction would be needed to cause a boat to change

course
by
some large angle.

you, you blithering idiot, are rambling on and on and on and on hoping
against
all hope that newbies will forget that you motor training wheels while
Walter
Mittying yourself to be Shackleton.

Yes I know you "think" you answered the question, just like you "think"
you're a
member of Mensa, and you "think" you graduated high school.

But saying that the answer is something that has a collection of
components
is
NOT showing that you actually know how to compute such a collection.

The
fact
that you keep insisting you solved it proves you don't really know how

to
do
it.
And being able to guess within 15% isn't bad, but doesn't show you know
how
to
navigate.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I know that *you* don't understand, jeffies, but the problem really

was
answered comprehensively within a few minutes of the question being
posted.

jeffie, rational discussion with you is near to impossible, for you

are
not
only much lacking in mental candlepower you are also so lacking in

such
you
are
not even capable of understanding just how lacking.

don't buy an EPIRB, jeffie. Let Darwin help you sail, if you ever do
decide
to
sail in lieu motoring.

I think I gave the answer to the "math problem."

As to whether this current can e











Hey Jax, how come you didn't get the right answer to the question? I did.

I
then provided the appropriate formulae. All you did was babble about
"components" and then give the wrong answer. You went on for 4 posts

about
the
"square root of 50" which isn't relevant to the problem.

You're right, you can't have a "rational discussion" with me, or with

anyone
else.

BTW, one doesn't describe a current by which direction is comes from, one
describes it by which direction its going. Take the Power Squadron

course,
really.






"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, it is near impossible to have a rational discussion with you,

as
you
once AGAIN show you have zero understanding of either the issue or the
resultant answer.

you really, really, really don't understand the question, i.e. how much
current
and from which direction would be needed to cause a boat to change

course
by
some large angle.

you, you blithering idiot, are rambling on and on and on and on hoping
against
all hope that newbies will forget that you motor training wheels while
Walter
Mittying yourself to be Shackleton.

Yes I know you "think" you answered the question, just like you "think"
you're a
member of Mensa, and you "think" you graduated high school.

But saying that the answer is something that has a collection of
components
is
NOT showing that you actually know how to compute such a collection.

The
fact
that you keep insisting you solved it proves you don't really know how

to
do
it.
And being able to guess within 15% isn't bad, but doesn't show you know
how
to
navigate.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I know that *you* don't understand, jeffies, but the problem really

was
answered comprehensively within a few minutes of the question being
posted.

jeffie, rational discussion with you is near to impossible, for you

are
not
only much lacking in mental candlepower you are also so lacking in

such
you
are
not even capable of understanding just how lacking.

don't buy an EPIRB, jeffie. Let Darwin help you sail, if you ever do
decide
to
sail in lieu motoring.

I think I gave the answer to the "math problem."

As to whether this current can e
























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