There is in fact a German submarine sunk in the Potomac River. However,
it was not sunk there during the war, it was handed over to the US Navy
afterward. Then, as part of tests & exercises, it was sunk at least
twice. The last time it was sunk was off Piney Point in 1949, and is at
least 65 feet under the surface.

So, while it is not "marked as an obstruction" on any chart, and no
German sub ever patrolled Long Island Sound, nor entered the Potomac
River in search of Allied convoys, and it's for darn sure no IJN
submarine ever shelled Seattle.... there *is* a U-boat sunk in the
Chesapeake!

https://www.denix.osd.mil/denix/Publ.../panther2.html

The truth is out there!

You're wrong this time. On the 14th of January 1942 at 0448, for one. Just
off Montauk Point. Captain Hardegen of U-123 fired his first torpedos,
sinking the Norness, Captain Harold Hansen. Without coastal charts, Captain
Hardegen proceeded past Rockaway Beach and into the Ambrose Channel. At
0140 on the 15th, while almost aground on Long Beach, he sank the Coimbra,
422', carrying 80,000 barrels of oil. He was attacked the next day by
bombers, but escaped.


DSK wrote:
There is in fact a German submarine sunk in the Potomac River.
However, it was not sunk there during the war, it was handed over to
the US Navy afterward. Then, as part of tests & exercises, it was
sunk at least twice. The last time it was sunk was off Piney Point in
1949, and is at least 65 feet under the surface.

So, while it is not "marked as an obstruction" on any chart, and no
German sub ever patrolled Long Island Sound, nor entered the Potomac
River in search of Allied convoys, and it's for darn sure no IJN
submarine ever shelled Seattle.... there *is* a U-boat sunk in the
Chesapeake!


https://www.denix.osd.mil/denix/Publ.../panther2.html

The truth is out there!

DD730 wrote:
You're wrong this time.

Meaning that Jax is almost right?

... On the 14th of January 1942 at 0448, for one. Just
off Montauk Point. Captain Hardegen of U-123 fired his first torpedos,
sinking the Norness, Captain Harold Hansen. Without coastal charts, Captain
Hardegen proceeded past Rockaway Beach and into the Ambrose Channel. At
0140 on the 15th, while almost aground on Long Beach, he sank the Coimbra,
422', carrying 80,000 barrels of oil. He was attacked the next day by
bombers, but escaped.

I appreciate the chance to learn more. But Montauk and the Ambrose
Channel isn't inside Long Island Sound, is it?

However, it turns out that right at the very end of the war, a U-boat
did enter LIS and was sunk by three US Navy vessels (Jax said it was the
USCG and that they bragged unjustifiably about it). I wonder of this guy
was planning on surrendering in Greenwich or Norwalk or, maybe letting
his crew skedaddle ashore and scuttling the boat. Y'know begin a new
life in a new country and all that? Couldn't blame him is he was.

http://uboat.net/boats/u853.htm

This same U-boat had sunk a patrol boat off the coast of Maine a few
days earlier, and the U.S. Navy for decades insisted that it was due to
a boiler explosion.

Regards
Doug King

Yes, he crossed the sound, before heading for Delaware. For a good read:

Gannon, Michael: Operation Drumbeat; Harper & Row

From Jan 14 to June 28, 1942, 43 tankers were sunk off the U.S. Eastern
Seaboard , by U-boats. In 1942 in the Gulf of Mexico, 99 tankers were sunk
by U-boats.

In total, from Dec 1941 through August 1942, (8 months) German U-Boats
carried out 184 patrols in American waters, sinking 609 ships (3,122,456
tons).

DSK wrote:
DD730 wrote:
You're wrong this time.

Meaning that Jax is almost right?

... On the 14th of January 1942 at 0448, for one. Just
off Montauk Point. Captain Hardegen of U-123 fired his first
torpedos, sinking the Norness, Captain Harold Hansen. Without
coastal charts, Captain Hardegen proceeded past Rockaway Beach and
into the Ambrose Channel. At 0140 on the 15th, while almost
aground on Long Beach, he sank the Coimbra, 422', carrying 80,000
barrels of oil. He was attacked the next day by bombers, but
escaped.

I appreciate the chance to learn more. But Montauk and the Ambrose
Channel isn't inside Long Island Sound, is it?

However, it turns out that right at the very end of the war, a U-boat
did enter LIS and was sunk by three US Navy vessels (Jax said it was
the USCG and that they bragged unjustifiably about it). I wonder of
this guy was planning on surrendering in Greenwich or Norwalk or,
maybe letting his crew skedaddle ashore and scuttling the boat.
Y'know begin a new life in a new country and all that? Couldn't blame
him is he was.

http://uboat.net/boats/u853.htm

This same U-boat had sunk a patrol boat off the coast of Maine a few
days earlier, and the U.S. Navy for decades insisted that it was due
to a boiler explosion.

Regards
Doug King

DD730 wrote:
Yes, he crossed the sound, before heading for Delaware. For a good read:

Gannon, Michael: Operation Drumbeat; Harper & Row

Thanks for the reference. Have you seen
http://www.uboat.net/
this is a great web site


From Jan 14 to June 28, 1942, 43 tankers were sunk off the U.S. Eastern
Seaboard , by U-boats. In 1942 in the Gulf of Mexico, 99 tankers were sunk
by U-boats.

In total, from Dec 1941 through August 1942, (8 months) German U-Boats
carried out 184 patrols in American waters, sinking 609 ships (3,122,456
tons).

The U-boat campaing nearly won both World Wars... in fact it seems the
German strategic planners really handicapped themselves by not building
more U-boats in the build-up to WW2... maybe they overestimated how
effective they'd be? IIRC for most of the war the Kriegsmarin only had
10 U-boats at sea at any given time, and never more than 20.

Regards
Doug King

Yes, I am a card carrying member of Shark Hunters and the Naval Submarine
League.

DSK wrote:
DD730 wrote:
Yes, he crossed the sound, before heading for Delaware. For a good
read:

Gannon, Michael: Operation Drumbeat; Harper & Row

Thanks for the reference. Have you seen
http://www.uboat.net/
this is a great web site


From Jan 14 to June 28, 1942, 43 tankers were sunk off the U.S.
Eastern Seaboard , by U-boats. In 1942 in the Gulf of Mexico, 99
tankers were sunk by U-boats.

In total, from Dec 1941 through August 1942, (8 months) German
U-Boats carried out 184 patrols in American waters, sinking 609
ships (3,122,456 tons).

The U-boat campaing nearly won both World Wars... in fact it seems the
German strategic planners really handicapped themselves by not
building more U-boats in the build-up to WW2... maybe they
overestimated how effective they'd be? IIRC for most of the war the
Kriegsmarin only had 10 U-boats at sea at any given time, and never
more than 20.

Regards
Doug King

ROFLMAO Anyone else see all the contradictions in all of these post?
Ole Jax's generalizations strike again.!!!!
Y'all are running around like a bunch of headless chickens, trying to
find the right sinking/sighting/attack to go with Jax's BS Post !!!!
Get with the program, folks .... Jax didn't know what he was talking
about(as per usual) he was just throwing out some "possibly" related BS,
to see how many of you would bite !!!!

otn



DD730 wrote:
You're wrong this time. On the 14th of January 1942 at 0448, for one. Just
off Montauk Point. Captain Hardegen of U-123 fired his first torpedos,
sinking the Norness, Captain Harold Hansen. Without coastal charts, Captain
Hardegen proceeded past Rockaway Beach and into the Ambrose Channel. At
0140 on the 15th, while almost aground on Long Beach, he sank the Coimbra,
422', carrying 80,000 barrels of oil. He was attacked the next day by
bombers, but escaped.


DSK wrote:

There is in fact a German submarine sunk in the Potomac River.
However, it was not sunk there during the war, it was handed over to
the US Navy afterward. Then, as part of tests & exercises, it was
sunk at least twice. The last time it was sunk was off Piney Point in
1949, and is at least 65 feet under the surface.

So, while it is not "marked as an obstruction" on any chart, and no
German sub ever patrolled Long Island Sound, nor entered the Potomac
River in search of Allied convoys, and it's for darn sure no IJN
submarine ever shelled Seattle.... there *is* a U-boat sunk in the
Chesapeake!



https://www.denix.osd.mil/denix/Publ.../panther2.html

The truth is out there!