(Capt.American) wrote in message . com...


Wanting to stop a war that our leaders would not properly fight was
ok.

Vietnam war was started by a Democrat - Kennedy.

Vietnam war was expanded by a Democrat - Johnson.

Vietnam war was ended by a Republican - Nixon.

All facts beyond dispute. Sorry, Ganzy.

Lonny

Lonny wrote:
Vietnam war was started by a Democrat - Kennedy.

Vietnam war was expanded by a Democrat - Johnson.

Vietnam war was ended by a Republican - Nixon.

All facts beyond dispute.

And then, there's what really happened...

Kennedy increased the number of US troops already in Viet Nam... but the
net of treaties obligating us to do so were created under Eisenhower.

Expanded by Johnson- yes and you might also want to look up who was
complicit in misleading Congress over the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

Viet Nam War ended by Nixon... six years after he won the office of
President based on his promises to do so... several tens of thousands of
American lives lost because Nixon could not honor his promise and did
not want to go down in history as a President who lost a war.

DSK

Oh yeah, the war that that liberal clinton won, along with a little help
from General Clark.

"Michael" wrote in message
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No . ..you are think of the wrong box. They are in the box with the
Kosovo mass graves. You guys gotta get a better filing system.

M.

wrote in message
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On 11 Feb 2004 18:03:54 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) wrote:

The most amusing part about the Bush military issue is that he
failed
to show up for his physical.

You don't know this. Everything I have seen or read up intill LAST
NIGHT
states they are still looking for the records.

Last time I saw them, they were in a box with Iraq's WMD's.

BB

And, Kennedy was talking about reducing our involvement in VN.

And, despite Johnson committing 1000s of soldiers to VN, he also
pushed through the "Great Society," which included civil rights.

And, although Nixon did end the war eventually, he was an even
bigger liar than Bush.

"DSK" wrote in message
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Lonny wrote:
Vietnam war was started by a Democrat - Kennedy.

Vietnam war was expanded by a Democrat - Johnson.

Vietnam war was ended by a Republican - Nixon.

All facts beyond dispute.

And then, there's what really happened...

Kennedy increased the number of US troops already in Viet Nam... but the
net of treaties obligating us to do so were created under Eisenhower.

Expanded by Johnson- yes and you might also want to look up who was
complicit in misleading Congress over the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

Viet Nam War ended by Nixon... six years after he won the office of
President based on his promises to do so... several tens of thousands of
American lives lost because Nixon could not honor his promise and did
not want to go down in history as a President who lost a war.

DSK

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...

And, Kennedy was talking about reducing our involvement in VN.

You are such a typical liberal. I guess as long as he was 'talking'
about it, then he is not to be held responsible for the way he
conducted the war. Oh my god!



And, despite Johnson committing 1000s of soldiers to VN, he also
pushed through the "Great Society," which included civil rights.

Doing so only with the help of the Republicans. Most liberals were
AGAINST this and voted so. Fact. Look it up.



And, although Nixon did end the war eventually, he was an even
bigger liar than Bush.

A bigger liar than Bush.... hmmmmm.... sort of like Clinton, then?
BWa hahahaha BWAaaaa

Lonny

What you are talking about is "Guns and Butter" which resulted in LBJ's
contrived War in VietNam, LBJ's failed social programs, LBJ's huge national
debt increase, LBJ being run out of office and worse getting us stuck with
Tricky Dick, D Digit Carter et. al. that followed LBJ still has a lot to
answer for but being successful is not one of the questions. JFK where
were you when we really needed you!

M.



"Lonny" wrote in message
gle.com...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

And, Kennedy was talking about reducing our involvement in VN.

You are such a typical liberal. I guess as long as he was 'talking'
about it, then he is not to be held responsible for the way he
conducted the war. Oh my god!



And, despite Johnson committing 1000s of soldiers to VN, he also
pushed through the "Great Society," which included civil rights.

Doing so only with the help of the Republicans. Most liberals were
AGAINST this and voted so. Fact. Look it up.



And, although Nixon did end the war eventually, he was an even
bigger liar than Bush.

A bigger liar than Bush.... hmmmmm.... sort of like Clinton, then?
BWa hahahaha BWAaaaa

Lonny

Typical bull****.

"Lonny" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

And, Kennedy was talking about reducing our involvement in VN.

You are such a typical liberal. I guess as long as he was 'talking'
about it, then he is not to be held responsible for the way he
conducted the war. Oh my god!



So what you're saying is that republicans supported LBJ's "failed"
policies??? Hahahah... well, ok. Look it up. LBJ's policies were
enormously expensive. The right thing to do, but expensive. Thank
you Republicans for being fiscally conservative.

And, despite Johnson committing 1000s of soldiers to VN, he also
pushed through the "Great Society," which included civil rights.

Doing so only with the help of the Republicans. Most liberals were
AGAINST this and voted so. Fact. Look it up.



And, although Nixon did end the war eventually, he was an even
bigger liar than Bush.

Yeh, Clinton who lied about a blow job, yeh, like Bush who lied
about a war, lied about doing coke, lied about not doing his duty
during the VN war, lied about his drinking. Yep, bigger than Clinton.

A bigger liar than Bush.... hmmmmm.... sort of like Clinton, then?
BWa hahahaha BWAaaaa

Lonny

And, freedom and liberty for more of our society. Umm... Nixon was a
Republican last I heard.

"Michael" wrote in message
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What you are talking about is "Guns and Butter" which resulted in LBJ's
contrived War in VietNam, LBJ's failed social programs, LBJ's huge
national
debt increase, LBJ being run out of office and worse getting us stuck with
Tricky Dick, D Digit Carter et. al. that followed LBJ still has a lot to
answer for but being successful is not one of the questions. JFK where
were you when we really needed you!

M.



"Lonny" wrote in message
gle.com...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

And, Kennedy was talking about reducing our involvement in VN.

You are such a typical liberal. I guess as long as he was 'talking'
about it, then he is not to be held responsible for the way he
conducted the war. Oh my god!



And, despite Johnson committing 1000s of soldiers to VN, he also
pushed through the "Great Society," which included civil rights.

Doing so only with the help of the Republicans. Most liberals were
AGAINST this and voted so. Fact. Look it up.



And, although Nixon did end the war eventually, he was an even
bigger liar than Bush.

A bigger liar than Bush.... hmmmmm.... sort of like Clinton, then?
BWa hahahaha BWAaaaa

Lonny

Michael wrote:

What you are talking about is "Guns and Butter" which resulted in LBJ's
contrived War in VietNam, LBJ's failed social programs, LBJ's huge national
debt increase, LBJ being run out of office and worse getting us stuck with
Tricky Dick, D Digit Carter et. al. that followed LBJ still has a lot to
answer for but being successful is not one of the questions. JFK where
were you when we really needed you!

Whoa, dude... you are seriously uninformed.

"Guns *or* Butter" is a catch phrase referring to a basic principle of
economics and finance. The basic principle is that a given unit of money
(dollars, euros, yen, whatever) can only be spent once. The phrase "Guns or
butter" refers to a particular gov't or administrations orientation... spend
the money on military/defense porkbarreling, or social programs. LBJ was
challenged on this and said "We can have guns and butter" but that was long
after the Viet Nam war was way out of control.

About LBJ's "failed" social programs.... wow I guess if you think that the New
Deal was a failure then why not say that the civil rights movement and school
integration was also a failure. It is a way of admitting that you have a dim &
twisted view of happenings in the real world.

And Lonny.... get a clue... which Republicans had very much push behind the
civil rights movement? I want names and specific acts & dates.

This wholesale rewriting of history would be amusing if it didn't reveal such
abysmal ignorance and mean-spiritedness. Oh, and BTW... history is written (and
re-written) by the winners. That means... not you!

DSK

When I post something like that I can always count on my good buddy Doug to
set it straight. I get the fun and he gets the credit. Together we
actually get somewhere instead of the usual round and round and round of
nothing. Actually while The Great Society was well meant and set us on the
right track I'd have to say the Education portion was, and for that matter
still is, a dismal failure. All I see is out of control education costs
and little to show for it. May be dim and twisted but the New Deal did not
result in more jobs. WWII and the runup to it resulted in, and created far
more jobs (for a while).

Thanks Doug.

Now for the good news!

The evil wand has waved and the call of work beckons once again. 24th I fly
out to the next ship. Make some money. Spend it on my boat. Hey! It's
only a "trickle" comparatively
but it's keeping one nautical business from going 'down'.

You just got to do your best.

Now for the better than good news. There will be something in the not so
distant future for you all to discuss, and chew into pieces. I just found
out my first magazine article was not only accepted by Lats and Atts but is
slated for the May issue . . .barring changes.

From one side of it only Rick will know of what I speak. But form the other
.. . .ouch, ouch, ouch . ..brickbats etc.

Michael


"DSK" wrote in message
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Michael wrote:

What you are talking about is "Guns and Butter" which resulted in LBJ's
contrived War in VietNam, LBJ's failed social programs, LBJ's huge
national
debt increase, LBJ being run out of office and worse getting us stuck
with
Tricky Dick, D Digit Carter et. al. that followed LBJ still has a lot
to
answer for but being successful is not one of the questions. JFK where
were you when we really needed you!

Whoa, dude... you are seriously uninformed.

"Guns *or* Butter" is a catch phrase referring to a basic principle of
economics and finance. The basic principle is that a given unit of money
(dollars, euros, yen, whatever) can only be spent once. The phrase "Guns
or
butter" refers to a particular gov't or administrations orientation...
spend
the money on military/defense porkbarreling, or social programs. LBJ was
challenged on this and said "We can have guns and butter" but that was
long
after the Viet Nam war was way out of control.

About LBJ's "failed" social programs.... wow I guess if you think that the
New
Deal was a failure then why not say that the civil rights movement and
school
integration was also a failure. It is a way of admitting that you have a
dim &
twisted view of happenings in the real world.

And Lonny.... get a clue... which Republicans had very much push behind
the
civil rights movement? I want names and specific acts & dates.

This wholesale rewriting of history would be amusing if it didn't reveal
such
abysmal ignorance and mean-spiritedness. Oh, and BTW... history is written
(and
re-written) by the winners. That means... not you!

DSK