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http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/default.asp?target=gunship_video.htm Very depressing bit of footage. RB |
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http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/...ship_video.htm Lovely, "He's wounded", "Roger", "Hit him", "Roger", machine gun fire, "Got him" I don't feel to great about watching people with sophisticated weaponry using it to kill wounded people. Marty |
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http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/...ship_video.htm Martin Baxter wrote: Lovely, "He's wounded", "Roger", "Hit him", "Roger", machine gun fire, "Got him" I don't feel to great about watching people with sophisticated weaponry using it to kill wounded people. Yep, I find it depressing to think that we have now got video game screens showing real people being killed. OTOH, it was nice of them to put that guy out of his misery (IMHO). From the looks of it, he was in bad shape and not anywhere near likely to get good medical care. It also made me wonder what those people were doing and why the Army had a chopper watching them. Regards Doug King |
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OTOH, it was nice of them to put that guy out of his
misery (IMHO). From the looks of it, he was in bad shape and not anywhere near likely to get good medical care. I doubt the guy would agree with you. RB |
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OTOH, it was nice of them to put that guy out of his
misery (IMHO). From the looks of it, he was in bad shape and not anywhere near likely to get good medical care. Bobsprit wrote: I doubt the guy would agree with you. Maybe, maybe not. He might have welcomed the chance to die for his beliefs, or he may have been enough of a realist to say to himself, "Self, you've just been gut shot with depleted uranium and engine parts. You have major wounds on at least two extremities including broken bones. You are going to bleed to death in the near future. Self, you are in great agony and this is just the beginning. Although you can only hope for 3rd world first aid, even if you were, right this second, being rushed to a major metropolitan trauma center and are tough enough to survive, Self, you will be severely crippled and disfigured for life." Of course, compared to your every day life Bubbles, maybe the guy wasn't so bad off. DSK |
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OTOH, it was nice of them to put that guy out of his misery (IMHO). From the looks of it, he was in bad shape and not anywhere near likely to get good medical care. You may be right there, he may just have had his eardrums ruptured, but at the very least he'd probably soon get cancer and die from ingesting all the depleted uranium dust that was flying about. Cheers Marty |
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You may be right there, he may just have had his eardrums ruptured, but at the very least he'd probably soon get cancer and die from ingesting all the depleted uranium dust that was flying about. It seems pretty likely to me that he stopped a lot of debris from the truck he was hiding under. I'm not trying to make a long-distance medical diagnosis but the guy was dragging himself along the ground and looked pretty badly hurt, leaving a thick trail behind him among other things. A friend looking over my shoulder says he was already stopped moving (dead?) when they shot him the second time. BTW the Army says it is not using depleted uranium any more... I wonder how true that is? Those bullets look like they went right through those trucks like wet tissue. DSK |
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What were 'metal piercing bullets' made from before? My 30-06 Springfield
(military model) came with some clips full of MPBs. Scotty "DSK" wrote in message ... Martin Baxter wrote: You may be right there, he may just have had his eardrums ruptured, but at the very least he'd probably soon get cancer and die from ingesting all the depleted uranium dust that was flying about. It seems pretty likely to me that he stopped a lot of debris from the truck he was hiding under. I'm not trying to make a long-distance medical diagnosis but the guy was dragging himself along the ground and looked pretty badly hurt, leaving a thick trail behind him among other things. A friend looking over my shoulder says he was already stopped moving (dead?) when they shot him the second time. BTW the Army says it is not using depleted uranium any more... I wonder how true that is? Those bullets look like they went right through those trucks like wet tissue. DSK |
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What were 'metal piercing bullets' made from before? My 30-06 Springfield (military model) came with some clips full of MPBs. I know that some were made from a high molybdenum steel with surface hardened tips. There are different ways of doing it, the above is 1960s era technology. The bullet needs to be dense enough to carry a lot of energy into the target surface, and enough harder to not get distorted (so that the energy of impact stays in a small area) and yet surface hardening also makes metal brittle, so if you overdo that part, the bullet just shatters. Depleted uranium is much simpler (once you figure out how to make it in the first place) but as Martin said, the dust & debris around the target are not healthy. It doesn't do much for our "good guy" image to leave low-level radioactive debris all around a country we've liberated. Future generations will not toss flowers in our path for elevating their cancer rate! Just my humble opinon.... I wonder if the US has really stopped using depleted uranium, or if they've found something almost as good? BTW did you see the clips of Carolina beating UConn? DSK |
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It is truly obscene that the execution of an injured soldier is used to
promote commercial products. I am totally disgusted. What happened to the geneva convention? Let me remind all of you: "Article 12. Members of the armed forces and other persons mentioned in the following Article, who are wounded or sick, shall be respected and protected in all circumstances. They shall be treated humanely and cared for by the Party to the conflict in whose power they may be, without any adverse distinction founded on sex, race, nationality, religion, political opinions, or any other similar criteria. Any attempts upon their lives, or violence to their persons, shall be strictly prohibited; in particular, they shall not be murdered or exterminated, subjected to torture or to biological experiments; they shall not willfully be left without medical assistance and care, nor shall conditions exposing them to contagion or infection be created." Remember a wounded man may not be able to put up his arms and surrender -especially when he doesn't know where the enemy are! MC Bobsprit wrote: http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/default.asp?target=gunship_video.htm Very depressing bit of footage. RB |
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What happened to the geneva convention?
I stopped going. Too many people dressed as Klingons. RB |
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You would fit right in.
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... What happened to the geneva convention? I stopped going. Too many people dressed as Klingons. RB |
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It is truly obscene that the execution of an injured soldier is used to promote commercial products. I am totally disgusted. What happened to the geneva convention? Let me remind all of you: "Article 12. Members of the armed forces and other persons mentioned in the following Article, who are wounded or sick, shall be respected and protected in all circumstances. They shall be treated humanely and cared for by the Party to the conflict in whose power they may be, without any adverse distinction founded on sex, race, nationality, religion, political opinions, or any other similar criteria. Any attempts upon their lives, or violence to their persons, shall be strictly prohibited; in particular, they shall not be murdered or exterminated, subjected to torture or to biological experiments; they shall not willfully be left without medical assistance and care, nor shall conditions exposing them to contagion or infection be created." Remember a wounded man may not be able to put up his arms and surrender -especially when he doesn't know where the enemy are! MC, what was the pilot suppose to do with no ground support, let the guy go so he could kill another day? If I was in a apache helo and saw guys carrying rocket powered gernades I'd "Smoke them" to. I'd have ZERO tolerance. I did not hear you say you were totally disgusted when the American helo with the big red cross on the side was shot down last week. Shot down with the exact type weapon the guys in the footage placed in the field. Must be something in the geneva convention about shooting down flying ambulances right? Joe MSV RedCloud MC Bobsprit wrote: http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/default.asp?target=gunship_video.htm Very depressing bit of footage. RB |
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Martin Baxter wrote in message ...
DSK wrote: OTOH, it was nice of them to put that guy out of his misery (IMHO). From the looks of it, he was in bad shape and not anywhere near likely to get good medical care. You may be right there, he may just have had his eardrums ruptured, but at the very least he'd probably soon get cancer and die from ingesting all the depleted uranium dust that was flying about. Cheers Marty Marty depleted uranium is saved for bigger things than trucks. Mostly found on tanks. Typical DU round has to cost a couple of grand. If your gonna spend that kind of money on a few cut throte murders running in fields you might as well vaporize the whole bunch with a hellfire missle. If you do not want to be killed in a field by someone you can not see, you should not be running around with weapons used to kill the guy who just killed you. You follow me? How do you think the average man in the back of a helo hit by a RPG feels when he's spinning to the ground about to die? And the rat that shot the RPG runs down his rat hole to strike another day. Joe MSV RedCloud |
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Marty depleted uranium is saved for bigger things than trucks. Mostly found on tanks. Typical DU round has to cost a couple of grand. You may well be correct about the cost of the round, however the average soldier doesn't usually pause to consider the cost of the ordnance, and if he did he probably wouldn't care. Armed forces have never had a great image of being misers with the taxpayers money. Further, could you tell me how you would select a different round for the 30 mm chain gun on an Apache, you shoot what you were armed with. Probably moot anyway if Doug is correct and DU has been withdrawn. If your gonna spend that kind of money on a few cut throte murders running in fields you might as well vaporize the whole bunch with a hellfire missle. I don't know why they didn't do just that, I have an uneasy feeling that they were having fun, like at a video arcade. If you do not want to be killed in a field by someone you can not see, you should not be running around with weapons used to kill the guy who just killed you. You follow me? How do you know for sure that was a weapon? Maybe they were just farmers going to install some new drainage tile in the ditch? Cheers Marty |
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Just my humble opinon.... I wonder if the US has really stopped using depleted uranium, or if they've found something almost as good? Just about any really dense metal will do for this type of technology, I've seen rounds made with hardened copper that work quite well. The big problem is finding something that is really dense that has sufficient tensile strength to withstand the acceleration of being fired from the weapon and at the same time is not expensive. DU filled these requirements nicely, it's a waste product and thus cheap, as an added boon this was a great way of disposing of several thousands of tons of unwanted radioactive waste. I believe I read that making this type of kinetic round with copper is actually more expensive than DU. Cheers Marty |
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SV "DSK" wrote in message ... BTW did you see the clips of Carolina beating UConn? DSK |
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I couldn't DL the clip. What was the 3-4' long object? Why didn't they hear
the helo? SV "Capt.American" wrote in message om... (Bobsprit) wrote in message ... http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/default.asp?target=gunship_video.htm Very depressing bit of footage. Depressing to any radhead that wants to hide RPG's in a field. Very depressing to any raghead that thinks its ok to plan roadside attacks. Myself I thought it was and excellent example that should be broadcast all over iraq. Maybe the local extreamist will get a clue. Guess riadjee & abdulla and his friend did not see the chopper hovering just behind the dunes huh. Capt. American Gun Control = Hitting your target over and over and over again RB |
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Martin Baxter wrote in message ...
Joe wrote: Marty depleted uranium is saved for bigger things than trucks. Mostly found on tanks. Typical DU round has to cost a couple of grand. You may well be correct about the cost of the round, however the average soldier doesn't usually pause to consider the cost of the ordnance, and if he did he probably wouldn't care. Armed forces have never had a great image of being misers with the taxpayers money. Further, could you tell me how you would select a different round for the 30 mm chain gun on an Apache, you shoot what you were armed with. I guess you load out the proper ammo. Probably moot anyway if Doug is correct and DU has been withdrawn. If your gonna spend that kind of money on a few cut throte murders running in fields you might as well vaporize the whole bunch with a hellfire missle. I don't know why they didn't do just that, I have an uneasy feeling that they were having fun, like at a video arcade. Not me, They chose the proper weapon and used it. No since in spending 300 thousand when 700 dollars will do the job If you do not want to be killed in a field by someone you can not see, you should not be running around with weapons used to kill the guy who just killed you. You follow me? How do you know for sure that was a weapon? Maybe they were just farmers going to install some new drainage tile in the ditch? Yeah right! I saw the video on ABC and the local channels last week, it's much more clear and bright than the one on the internet, with great detail. You can clearly see he tossed a RPG in the field. No if and or buts about it. Soviet made RPG is very easy to ID, it was not drainage tile. And with all the recent attacks on our pilots using RPG's your not going to find a pilot in Iraq that would give a second thought about smoking guys that have RPG's. Joe MSV RedCloud Cheers Marty |
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Joe wrote: MC wrote in message ... It is truly obscene that the execution of an injured soldier is used to promote commercial products. I am totally disgusted. What happened to the geneva convention? Let me remind all of you: "Article 12. Members of the armed forces and other persons mentioned in the following Article, who are wounded or sick, shall be respected and protected in all circumstances. They shall be treated humanely and cared for by the Party to the conflict in whose power they may be, without any adverse distinction founded on sex, race, nationality, religion, political opinions, or any other similar criteria. Any attempts upon their lives, or violence to their persons, shall be strictly prohibited; in particular, they shall not be murdered or exterminated, subjected to torture or to biological experiments; they shall not willfully be left without medical assistance and care, nor shall conditions exposing them to contagion or infection be created." Remember a wounded man may not be able to put up his arms and surrender -especially when he doesn't know where the enemy are! MC, what was the pilot suppose to do with no ground support, let the guy go so he could kill another day? He was going nowhere. If I was in a apache helo and saw guys carrying rocket powered gernades I'd "Smoke them" to. I'd have ZERO tolerance. I did not hear you say you were totally disgusted when the American helo with the big red cross on the side was shot down last week. Shot down with the exact type weapon the guys in the footage placed in the field. That's not the point. You signed the genva convention and you are required to uphold it. Must be something in the geneva convention about shooting down flying ambulances right? Probably, but the if the abulance were used to transport healthy soldiers then it is not an ambulance. What's your info on that? Cheers |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 06:54:47 -0500, Martin Baxter
wrote this crap: Just about any really dense metal will do for this type of technology, I've seen rounds made with hardened copper that work quite well. The big problem is finding something that is really dense that has sufficient tensile strength to withstand the acceleration of being fired from the weapon and at the same time is not expensive. DU filled these requirements nicely, it's a waste product and thus cheap, as an added boon this was a great way of disposing of several thousands of tons of unwanted radioactive waste. DU is NOT radioactive waste, dumbass. DU is the byproduct of removing the radioactive isotopes from natural uranium. It's called "depleted uranium" because the valuable radioactive material has been removed. This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe |
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Horvath wrote: It's called "depleted uranium" because the valuable material has been removed. That's why I think you have a depleted cranium. ;-P Cheers |
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"MC" wrote in message ... | | | Horvath wrote: | | It's called "depleted | uranium" because the valuable material has been removed. | | | That's why I think you have a depleted cranium. | | | ;-P That would be assuming he had a source to deplete! :-) CM |
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DU is NOT radioactive waste, dumbass. DU is the byproduct of removing the radioactive isotopes from natural uranium. It's called "depleted uranium" because the valuable radioactive material has been removed. You may be the thickest individual to ever post on this news group. co some research. Cheers Marty |
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Excellent footage. The gunship must have been in silent hover mode. Those
victims "blowed up" real good! I've got Jane's LongBow Cobra game to practice with but it never provides people to shoot at... only air/ground vehicles and installations. I wonder if they have any footage of "Friendly Fire" exercises? I mean they must practice considering how good they are at it!! With all that technology how could you make a mistake? CM "jlrogers" wrote in message ... | http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/...ship_video.htm | | |
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Capt. Mooron wrote: The gunship must have been in silent hover mode. If you soak your turban in salt water they can't see you! Cheers Marty |
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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... | | | Capt. Mooron wrote: | The gunship must have been in silent hover mode. | | If you soak your turban in salt water they can't see you! Yeah but jammin' that extractor up your nose to remove the tracking unit can be a real bitch! ....didn't you just think it was so cool the way bits of those guys were blown all over the place when those rounds hit! Makes you wonder if they have the footage of when they bombed their Canadian Allies to pieces in Afghanistan! Eh? CM |
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Several gigs... something like 60? "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... Excellent footage. The gunship must have been in silent hover mode. Those victims "blowed up" real good! I've got Jane's LongBow Cobra game to practice with but it never provides people to shoot at... only air/ground vehicles and installations. I wonder if they have any footage of "Friendly Fire" exercises? I mean they must practice considering how good they are at it!! With all that technology how could you make a mistake? CM "jlrogers" wrote in message ... | http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/...ship_video.htm | | |
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Makes you wonder if they have the footage of when they bombed their Canadian Allies to pieces in Afghanistan! Eh? CM The thought did cross my mind, you know the thought, "Shoot first, ask questions later", or "Well I thought they were the enemy, I thought that six foot red maple leaf meant they were some kind of illegal drug runner" Redneck hunter to another after hearing him shoot: "What was you shootin' at Fred?" Fred: "I dunno, I thought I heard somethin' movin' in the bushes." Cheers Marty (stays out of the sticks when the 'merican hunters are there) |
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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
Excellent footage. The gunship must have been in silent hover mode. Those victims "blowed up" real good! Victims My ASS. The sneaky snake ragheads "Blew up" real good. I've got Jane's LongBow Cobra game to practice with but it never provides people to shoot at... only air/ground vehicles and installations. WRONG~~~ many of the missions have people to kill. Are you sure you have Janes Longbow? Capt. American CM "jlrogers" wrote in message ... | http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/...ship_video.htm | | |
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"Capt.American" wrote in message om... | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... | Excellent footage. The gunship must have been in silent hover mode. Those | victims "blowed up" real good! | | Victims My ASS. The sneaky snake ragheads "Blew up" real good. They were "victims" of American Justice! | I've got Jane's LongBow Cobra game to practice with but it never provides | people to shoot at... only air/ground vehicles and installations. | | WRONG~~~ many of the missions have people to kill. | Are you sure you have Janes Longbow? Yup.... the first one out. That was about 5 years ago. I've only done the training and about a half dozen other missions. It won't run on my new computer so I'll have to upgrade. At what point do you get to gun down people in the game? CM |
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Capt. Mooron wrote: Makes you wonder if they have the footage of when they bombed their Canadian Allies to pieces in Afghanistan! Eh? CM Most likely not Mooron, IIRC it was high altitude bomber. And if you saw that video feed on the news you would of heard that it was a live feed from the apache to his command. The pilot asked for permission and it was granted. I think our military is doing this now to avoid taking out our allies. You can bet that several in the Command HQ zoomed in on the weapons and made a positive ID before taking them out. And the people in the truck were know locally, why do you think we were following them? Think it was a chance meeting and the Apache just snuck up on em? Joe MSV RedCloud The thought did cross my mind, you know the thought, "Shoot first, ask questions later", or "Well I thought they were the enemy, I thought that six foot red maple leaf meant they were some kind of illegal drug runner" Redneck hunter to another after hearing him shoot: "What was you shootin' at Fred?" Fred: "I dunno, I thought I heard somethin' movin' in the bushes." Cheers Marty (stays out of the sticks when the 'merican hunters are there) |
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"Joe" wrote in message | Think it was a chance meeting and the Apache just snuck up on em? Nope.... but I was impressed at the professional manner in which the target was "erased".. CM |
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:55:43 -0500, Martin Baxter
wrote this crap: Horvath wrote: DU is NOT radioactive waste, dumbass. DU is the byproduct of removing the radioactive isotopes from natural uranium. It's called "depleted uranium" because the valuable radioactive material has been removed. You may be the thickest individual to ever post on this news group. co some research. Why would you say that? What is "co some research"? This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe |
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"Horvath" wrote in message ... On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:55:43 -0500, Martin Baxter wrote this crap: Horvath wrote: DU is NOT radioactive waste, dumbass. DU is the byproduct of removing the radioactive isotopes from natural uranium. It's called "depleted uranium" because the valuable radioactive material has been removed. You may be the thickest individual to ever post on this news group. co some research. Why would you say that? What is "co some research"? This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe |
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You may be the thickest individual to ever post on this news group. co some research. Why would you say that? Because you cleary do not know the mechanism by which depleted uranium is obtained. What is "co some research"? So sorry, co=do, that shouldn't have been too difficult to decipher, I'm suprised at you. Now go see if you can find out how a US light water reactor works. Cheers Marty |
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"Capt.American" wrote in message om... | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... | Excellent footage. The gunship must have been in silent hover mode. Those | victims "blowed up" real good! | | Victims My ASS. The sneaky snake ragheads "Blew up" real good. They were "victims" of American Justice! | I've got Jane's LongBow Cobra game to practice with but it never provides | people to shoot at... only air/ground vehicles and installations. | | WRONG~~~ many of the missions have people to kill. | Are you sure you have Janes Longbow? Yup.... the first one out. That was about 5 years ago. I've only done the training and about a half dozen other missions. It won't run on my new computer so I'll have to upgrade. At what point do you get to gun down people in the game? Several of the pre-programed missions have people to kill. Not sure of the name of each mission but the one were you escort the blackhawk with special forces to blow up the scuds has many ground troops you can kill while waiting on the blackhawks. Be careful do not blow up the scuds, let the special forces do it, If you do it your mission will fail due to chemical contamination from the warheads. Let's hope the next Janes version uses the video tape as a guide to program how troops should look when you blast them. Capt. American CM |
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"Capt.American" wrote in message Let's hope | the next Janes version uses the video tape as a guide to program how | troops should look when you blast them. I concur...... that wounded terrorist dragging his entrails with a stream of blood behind him was truly realistic.... wait a minute... it was real! :-) CM |
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