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Doug,
A mono could have positive floation Yeah, and painted yellow!! OT |
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"JAXAshby" wrote in message ... nope, it means you don't need an inflatable saucer no matter what type of boat you sail or drive. Why didn't you say that the first time? You are absolutely correct - if you don't wish to cater for the possibility of a sinking. read it again. OK................ The original still says "You need training wheels to need a liferaft." Honestly! It does ..... really! BTW, I'm really not unsurprised that you haven't been welcomed back without any unnoticable degree of warmth. Regards Donal -- |
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"JAXAshby" wrote in message ... One thing is for sure, cell phone coverage is going to really suck most of the way. cell phone coverage will suck virtually the entire way New to Ber. The inflatable harnesses are better than nothing not really. fall overboard at sea with or without a PFD on and you can figure on dying in the not too distant future. BTW a few people mentioned "sextants." How about almanacs? a sextant is almost as useless as tits on a boar. If lightning takes out all your gps's it will also take out your quartz watches and you long distance radios to reset them by. If you really do lose all your electronics, turn west and sail until you sight land, stop at a Sunoco gas station and ask directions. Rubbish. People who have an IQ of less than 186, may well find that their watches still function after a lightning strike. I know of one boat that lost her electronic instruments in a strike. The crew (and their watches) were fine. One of the crew thought that she got a "tingle" from a winch after the strike!!!! Regards Donal -- |
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Hey Bubbles, when I did my first delivery of a multi over about 1200
miles, I carried a raft. I'm sorry, Ozzy. Multis can be sunk or damaged in such a way that a liferaft should be aboard. Can't see why a long distance cruiser wouldn't carry one for that very rare instance. RB |
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It's not apparent from
your writing... Or Ganzy's READING! Bwahahahahaha! RB |
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Make sure you have tit-reduction surgery before you
leave. There he goes again. RB |
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Why should anyone take you serious about off shore sailing,
So you AGREE that serious sailboat builders and serious cruisers prefer SPARTAN interiors with no eye towards comfort? Ganzy was wrong, Thom, but feel free to hop aboard. If you also think a multi doesn't need a liferaft, well hop aboard that thread too. Right is right and Ganzy isn't. My sailing experience is just not a factor in this discussion, though I do sail more than most of the people here. And that's a fact. RB |
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so, take a sextant and almanac and sight tables and timex's(with extra
batteries) and ssb (for time checks)(with battery backup) and calculators (with extra batteries), work pads, temp compensators, and practise, practise, practise, practise just in case the DOD decides to get you. You best hope there are enough sunny days so you can tell north from south, and east from west, which if you know that you can find land anyway. Oh, btw, remove enough provisions to store all that useless antique stuff above. a sextant is almost as useless as tits on a boar. If lightning takes out all your gps's it will also take out your quartz watches and you long distance radios to reset them by. If you really do lose all your electronics, turn west and sail until you sight land, stop at a Sunoco gas station and ask directions. Rubbish. People who have an IQ of less than 186, may well find that their watches still function after a lightning strike. I know of one boat that lost her electronic instruments in a strike. The crew (and their watches) were fine. One of the crew thought that she got a "tingle" from a winch after the strike!!!! Regards Donal -- |
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an inflatable rubber saucer is you only and/or best solution in case you are
sinking? Do consider, however, that maybe you wouldn't be sinking if you had spent part of the the $6,000 cost of an installed inflatable rubber saucer on new thru-hulls. nope, it means you don't need an inflatable saucer no matter what type of boat you sail or drive. Why didn't you say that the first time? You are absolutely correct - if you don't wish to cater for the possibility of a sinking. read it again. OK................ The original still says "You need training wheels to need a liferaft." Honestly! It does ..... really! BTW, I'm really not unsurprised that you haven't been welcomed back without any unnoticable degree of warmth. Regards Donal -- |
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YOU WIN BOB. YOU ALWAYS WIN. YOU ALWAYS WIN
EVEN WHEN YOU LOSE!!! "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Why should anyone take you serious about off shore sailing, So you AGREE that serious sailboat builders and serious cruisers prefer SPARTAN interiors with no eye towards comfort? Ganzy was wrong, Thom, but feel free to hop aboard. If you also think a multi doesn't need a liferaft, well hop aboard that thread too. Right is right and Ganzy isn't. My sailing experience is just not a factor in this discussion, though I do sail more than most of the people here. And that's a fact. RB |
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A blazing, incalculable idiot...
"JAXAshby" wrote in message ... no one needs an inflatable. "inflatable saucers" were developed to *try* to keep downed in the sea fighter pilots alive long enough to be recovered. The product probably would have never sold well to the public without this association and the naming of the product a "life"raft instead of what it is, an inflatable rubber saucer. |
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Or Bob being obese.
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... It's not apparent from your writing... Or Ganzy's READING! Bwahahahahaha! RB |
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Hahahaha... sure bob, just like you're an experienced sailor. If you're
aboard, that's certainly true. Of course, since you would be next to the dock when you swamp the boat because of your excessive weight, they would probably just throw you a line. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Hey Bubbles, when I did my first delivery of a multi over about 1200 miles, I carried a raft. I'm sorry, Ozzy. Multis can be sunk or damaged in such a way that a liferaft should be aboard. Can't see why a long distance cruiser wouldn't carry one for that very rare instance. RB |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Make sure you have tit-reduction surgery before you leave. There he goes again. RB |
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:04:53 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap: So, what you're saying is, besides the implication that you're unschooled in basic English, that no one needs an inflatable. This is patently wrong. What would Neal do without his blow up girlfriend? You could loan him your blow up boyfriend. This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe |
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Well, you certainly have enough experience with
boyfriends to know! "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:04:53 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote this crap: So, what you're saying is, besides the implication that you're unschooled in basic English, that no one needs an inflatable. This is patently wrong. What would Neal do without his blow up girlfriend? You could loan him your blow up boyfriend. This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe |
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It is if you wish to sail along a line of latitude.
Cheers MC DSK wrote: N1EE wrote: It is only 650 miles. That's four days. Depends on the boat, depends on the weather. I think the record now is a little under 3 days, but it would take a pretty fast boat to get there in four days. Refridgeration always seems to break down and ruin all your food. If you don't count on it, it can't crap out on you. Bring rice, pasta and, eggs, and a fishing pole. Agreed, with the caveat that I've found modern refrigeration to be quite reliable... provided the installation is done right... however it is a power hog. Radar is nice for determining how far you are from while making an approach. I suppose a chart display will do that also. Both together are reassuring. Radar can be a great tool for figuring out approaches. Radar will tell you things that a GPS will not... and vice versa of course. You should have some long range communications either an SSB that you know how to use, and that works--many I've seen don't work and the owners are cluesless that they don't, or better--a sat-phone. A good thing to have, but really not a necessity. The SSB hooked to a weather fax would also be a great tool. Also, and EPRIB is good. Well, my own philosophy is to not worry about calling for help and thus not to worry about keeping in touch either. One thing is for sure, cell phone coverage is going to really suck most of the way. I prefer foam lifejackets. It would not be fun to find out in the middle of the ocean that your inflatable doesn't work. If you wear an inflatable, wear it outside of your foulies. Very good point. The inflatable harnesses are better than nothing, but they are far from totally reliable. Also they do nothing to keep you warm nor protect you from impacts. And as for havng one inflate inside your foul weather gear, that an be a death sentence. Yet people wear them inside their jackets all the time. BTW a few people mentioned "sextants." How about almanacs? A sextant, all by itself, is not very useful. How about sight reduction tables? Cheers |
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Hahahaha... sure bob, just like you're an experienced sailor.
When did I say I was an experienced sailor, Ganzy? Is it attached to your list of serious spartan cruisers with no comfort? Bwahahahahahaha! RB |
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YOU WIN BOB. YOU ALWAYS WIN. YOU ALWAYS WIN
EVEN WHEN YOU LOSE!!! That's the spirit! RB |
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"Donal" wrote:
"JAXAshby" wrote: [some typical Jax pseudo-science about lightning] Rubbish. People who have an IQ of less than 186, may well find that their watches still function after a lightning strike. ...snip... Just jumping in for the fun of it. IIRC, Jax claims an IQ of 154 *based on the MENSA IQ test*. This test uses a standard deviation of 24, instead of the more typical 15. Therefore, his claimed IQ, in numbers most of us are more used to using, is in the low 130s. As to the original question, I'd vote for refrigeration; I love refrigeration. And, yes, I'd bring along my sextant (mostly 'cause it gets bored just sitting there doing nothing, although my slide rule keeps it company). Obsolescence sucks. |
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Thanks!
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... YOU WIN BOB. YOU ALWAYS WIN. YOU ALWAYS WIN EVEN WHEN YOU LOSE!!! That's the spirit! RB |
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About as often as you said you're a cruising sailor.... twist and shout all
you want but you ALWAYS WIN, even when you're stupid. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Hahahaha... sure bob, just like you're an experienced sailor. When did I say I was an experienced sailor, Ganzy? Is it attached to your list of serious spartan cruisers with no comfort? Bwahahahahahaha! RB |
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frank the frickin idgit writes thusly:
Jax claims an IQ of 154 *based on the MENSA IQ test*. This test uses a standard deviation of 24, instead of the more typical 15. Therefore, his claimed IQ, in numbers most of us are more used to using, is in the low 130s. 130 to 135 to 137 to 140 to 145 to 154, depending on the test. 98.5%tile on most tests. 96%tile on some, 99.5% on others. Who the **** cares but the low ball types. As to the original question, I'd vote for refrigeration; of course you would I love refrigeration yes, you like your night excess alcohol intake to be **COLD**. And, yes, I'd bring along my sextant (mostly 'cause it gets bored just sitting there doing nothing, although my slide rule keeps it company). along with your SylvaniaVision(r) black and white television. |
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:46:44 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap: Well, you certainly have enough experience with boyfriends to know! How would you know? "Horvath" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:04:53 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote this crap: So, what you're saying is, besides the implication that you're unschooled in basic English, that no one needs an inflatable. This is patently wrong. What would Neal do without his blow up girlfriend? You could loan him your blow up boyfriend. This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe |
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MC wrote:
It is if you wish to sail along a line of latitude. Not a good way to approach Bermuda. There's reefs and stuff. DSK |
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You carry one on your ''long distance'' 3 day cruises?
"Bob****" wrote ... Can't see why a long distance cruiser wouldn't carry one for that very rare instance. |
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Wonder how many have died from heart failure on a boat as opposed to a multi
sinking? SV OzOne wrote in message ... On 20 Jan 2004 23:08:01 GMT, (Bobsprit) scribbled thusly: Hey Bubbles, when I did my first delivery of a multi over about 1200 miles, I carried a raft. I'm sorry, Ozzy. Multis can be sunk or damaged in such a way that a liferaft should be aboard. Can't see why a long distance cruiser wouldn't carry one for that very rare instance. RB Because its very very rare indeed. Look at the 60' race tris that suffer massive damage including losing whole amas yet SAIL home! You'd stand a far better chance of dying in a car crash on the way to hospital after being mauled by a shark at the aquarium. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
... Of course, since you would be next to the dock when you swamp the boat because of your excessive weight, they would probably just throw you a line. A really big line, 1'' or more, hooked to a tow truck, might just do it. SV |
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"Bobsprit" wrote
When did I say I was an experienced sailor, Compared to Ganzy and Scotty I'm frikin' Columbus! RB |
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Wonder how many have died from heart failure on a boat as opposed to a multi sinking? An odd thought, it brings to mind a few unrelated things: A friend of mine had a J105 which his mother thought should be called "Sheer Terror." Also, the J that got crunched in the fog in LIS this summer (I think it was a J105), the owner died of a heart attack while the boat was sinking. The one case that I know of where a cruising cat capsized on the Bermuda run the owner died while trapped below because he couldn't find his diabetes medication. The rest of the crew survived, but several monohulls were lost with all hands in the same storm. -jeff |
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"JAXAshby" wrote in message ... an inflatable rubber saucer is you only and/or best solution in case you are sinking? Tell us more??? Do consider, however, that maybe you wouldn't be sinking if you had spent part of the the $6,000 cost of an installed inflatable rubber saucer on new thru-hulls. $6000??? You could tow a spare yacht for that sort of money! Most liferafts that are used on 30-40' sailing vessels over here cost less than $3300. 4 man rafts are available for less that $1800.00 Regards Donal -- |
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"Jeff Morris" wrote ...
"Scott Vernon" wrote ... Wonder how many have died from heart failure on a boat as opposed to a multi sinking? An odd thought, I'm full of them. The point I was going after was that maybe multi-hull sailors should buy defibrillators before buying a life raft (rubber saucer). SV |
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"Scott Vernon" wrote ...
Wonder how many have died from heart failure on a boat as opposed to a multi sinking? Jeff Morris wrote: An odd thought, it brings to mind a few unrelated things: A friend of mine had a J105 which his mother thought should be called "Sheer Terror." Also, the J that got crunched in the fog in LIS this summer (I think it was a J105), the owner died of a heart attack while the boat was sinking. The one case that I know of where a cruising cat capsized on the Bermuda run the owner died while trapped below because he couldn't find his diabetes medication. The rest of the crew survived, but several monohulls were lost with all hands in the same storm. In the 1979 Fastnet Race disaster, at least one (I think it was actually two) people died of heart attacks on their boats. The one I recall in detail was left on the cabin sole of his boat while the rest of the crew abandoned ship into the liferaft, which promptly got blown away, tumbled, and generally bashed around. They said later that they'd have been *much* better off staying with the boat (hindsight... 20/20) but could not have stayed with a dead man and his son forbid them to throw him overboard. The boat (and it's owner's body) were recovered. IIRC another died of a heart attack in a liferaft, not sure about that one. Who thinks up these morbid topics?!? Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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Compared to Ganzy and Scotty I'm frikin' Columbus!
RB Which still makes me VERY inexperienced. RB |
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From everything you tell us of course!!
"Horvath" wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:46:44 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote this crap: Well, you certainly have enough experience with boyfriends to know! How would you know? "Horvath" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:04:53 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote this crap: So, what you're saying is, besides the implication that you're unschooled in basic English, that no one needs an inflatable. This is patently wrong. What would Neal do without his blow up girlfriend? You could loan him your blow up boyfriend. This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe |
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No one does.
Scotty "Thom Stewart" wrote ... Nutsy, Why should anyone take you serious about off shore sailing, when you've yet to spend your first day sailing out of sight of land? Get real. Ole Thom |
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well, they go four to six thou here, installed. a really, really simple
K-Mart beach toy like one goes a couple grand. new thru-hulls are a lot less, and may be the difference between your making port or the bottom. Do consider, however, that maybe you wouldn't be sinking if you had spent part of the the $6,000 cost of an installed inflatable rubber saucer on new thru-hulls. $6000??? You could tow a spare yacht for that sort of money! Most liferafts that are used on 30-40' sailing vessels over here cost less than $3300. 4 man rafts are available for less that $1800.00 Regards Donal -- |
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"JAXAshby" wrote in message ... well, they go four to six thou here, installed. a really, really simple K-Mart beach toy like one goes a couple grand. new thru-hulls are a lot less, and may be the difference between your making port or the bottom. I understand your point. I was more interested in your question: "an inflatable rubber saucer is you only and/or best solution in case you are sinking?" What other options are you thinking about? Regards Donal -- |
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Bobsprit" wrote When did I say I was an experienced sailor, Compared to Ganzy and Scotty I'm frikin' Columbus! RB Bob's gay? .... or a necrophiliac??? Regards Donal -- |
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