If you go look at many, even most long-distance cruisers, you'll see
that they've widowed down their requirements to what is actually
useful.

Please educate the group. Valiant has one of the best records for boats that
make crossings, an the interiors aren't spartan by a mile.
Please educate the whole group on a builder who sells a stripped out race
interior as a cruiser!
Go ahead!

Bwahahahaahaha! I won!

RB

Not sure what planet you're from, but most of the boats
in every marina I've been in never leave the dock. That's
not cruising.

Agreed...and this has nothing to do with spartan exteriors..still waiting for
that list of builders from Ganzy, but he know's he's busted.

RB

What happened, Ganzy?
Still waiting to hear what gear on my boat is "too much" in the way of gadgets.
You must mean the two VHFs!
No...that's just good sense. You must mean the radar! Nope....that's already
been of use and came with the boat. You must mean the mapping GPS! No....most
everyone has one, so that can't be it. You must mean my autopilot! Nah...both
came with the boat and they've been handy.
You must mean my handheld windmeter!
Yeah!!! Damn heavy thing!

Ganzy, I've so utterly exposed you as a dumbass. You know nothing about boats
or gear because you don't own more than a daysailing toy. Better still, I
managed to slap Scotty who, idiot that he is, strapped himself to your flaming
star!

Bwahahahahahaha! Hahahahaha! Ha!

RB

I can't imagine a "cruiser" opting for pipe berths and a stripped out
interior. Most cruising boats are designed with lots of tankage and
storage capacity for the carrying of provisions, ground tackle, tools,
spares and all the rest. It would seem to me that ignoring basic
creature comforts in a cruising boat would be pretty short sighted.

Not according to Ganzy. He thinks a "serious" sailor would just snuggle up to
the saildrive for warmth!
Where's that list of builders, Ganzy??!!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

What I did say was that a real cruiser would carefully
weigh what is important and what isn't.


100% a lie.
Ganzy said that serious cruisers opt for SPARTAN INTERIORS which is false. Most
of todays good cruising boats are loaded with creature comforts and gear and
perform well.

I win!!!! Bwahahahahaha!

RB

OzOne wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:47:19 GMT,
scribbled thusly:


On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:48:59 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote:


You're the one bsing. Most creature comforts are only
good while you're in port.

Most cruisers travel from port to port except for folks like Chichester. You
really don't know much about cruising.

BB


Dayhopping down the coast doesn't count.
Try sailing to a decent destination and see how much use you get from
your fancy interior on the way.
Two, three, or 6 days at sea will soon convince you that real sailors
have little use for traditional creature comforts.



I like my bedding to be warm and dry. Isn't that a creature comfort?

Cheers MC

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Sure, but then you have to have a genset... and then the weight can add up.
And, it's not just about weight. The nice looking lounge seat is nice while
your sitting on your anchor, but it doesn't contribute much when actually
sailing. Lots of people forgo that kind of feature.

You're right, that we're both making too many generalities. I was responding
to bob's bs post about stuff he knows nothing about.

Actually none of my toys (nor my liveaboard friends' current boat) require a
genset. However, I've sometimes felt that I should have got twin outboards and
a genset, rather than the twin diesels.

I could say what I really think about interiors, but it would probably be seen
as a sign of weakness. Suffice it to say that I have a nice looking lounge
which I enjoy at anchor. (I usually don't get to use it underway, but my kid
does!)

Oh but he is an expert, after all, he's taken a few 3 day weekend sails.

BWaHahahahahhahahahahaaaaaa


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote ...
Face it booby, you don't know anything about sailing.

This is about you presenting yourself as some kind of self-styled
expert. You're not. You're a joke.

and I'm guessing he saw no sailboats cruising. What is your point?

SV

wrote in message


A few years ago, a reporter in Connecticut wanted to see how many people
were
obeying the 55 mph speed limit on the highways. He drove for a week at 55
MPH
and didn't see even one person going the same speed. See if you can figure
it
out,.

BB

only in the Matrix.


"Bobsprit" wrote


Scotty, the sorry new boat is already a done deal. And I did buy
a 10 meter ham radio but I didn't sail more than you did last year.


RuBe