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"Joe" wrote in message om... There you have it, the only info available was information that could be gleaned without the use of any electronic device and no engines used. JohnE One mistake., You said all the information must be gleened without the use of any electronic aids. And unless your using a lead line you were cheating. I noticed that, but he actually said "could be gleaned" without electronics. The modern depth sounder actually give less info than the traditional lead line, especially to someone very familiar with the area. Even the old "spinning neon tube" sounders gave a lot of useful info. The "tridata" style sounder is worthless compared to a basic fishfinder. |
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"Donal" wrote in message Their labelling scheme is a bit odd. The "Gold" label is the standard product, next comes "Black", and finally Green. It's a few years since I had a bottle, but IIRC it was 10yo single malt. Very smooth. Seems young by Scottish standards. Then again those Irishmen always have been in a hurry. I'll see if I can find some. Max |
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"DSK" wrote in message What do the French know about whiskey? They probably use it for cooking snails. They pretend it's cognac. Max |
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"John.E" wrote in message ... Donal, I did my exam around 11 years ago. I had just started sailing and was studying my CC, DS, CS and YMOf & YMOc at the time you claim to have passed yours. All of them? At the same time??? You are taking the p&ss! I don't believe that anybody would/could study all these courses at the same time. Do you really expect us to believe that you did the Competent Crew and the Yachtmaster Ocean at the same time? I think that you are a liar! I do not see that it is possible to meet the the requirements for the YMO in the same year that you do the CC. I can not say I noticed the exam guideline or curriculum changing in that time. Which leads to my questions... Do really have a YM? Which is it? What endorsments do you carry? What is your issue number? At the rate they were/are awarded I would imagine we will be within 1000 of each other. Go on, be brave, face me down on this one. I will eat humble pie if needed but IMO you are a faker! You are wrong. Why do you think that I am a faker? Get your knife and fork ready. Regards Donal -- |
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"MC" wrote in message ... Donal wrote: I've also forgotton what most lights mean. If they have anything unusual, then I give way. Even to channel markers? No, I know those! I was talking about the lights shown by various types of vessel. Regards Donal -- |
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"Joe" wrote in message om... "Lanods latest words of wisdom" Hmmmm! You have a steering wheel in the wheelhouse, don't you? No I have a helm. I'm beginning to think that you are confusing the word "navigate" with "steer"! Steering in the right direction is navigating you dunce. Yes ..... and No! If you look back up the thread, it should become obvious that they are different. If your down below and the guy above on the steering wheel (helm) is going in circles and figure 8's it kind of hard to Navigate without any imput with no compass below. You have to assume that the guy on the helm is steering the course that you requested. At least I'm smart enough to put a compass over my bunk and one at my nav station. Guess your are blacked out like a true Yachtmasters should be. Actually, I have a compass down below ... and a radar screen, .... I just don't rely exclusively on them. Regards Donal -- Joe MSV RedCloud Regards Donal -- |
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Donal wrote: "MC" wrote in message ... Donal wrote: I've also forgotton what most lights mean. If they have anything unusual, then I give way. Even to channel markers? No, I know those! I was talking about the lights shown by various types of vessel. Like a test? Cheers |
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"Joe" wrote in message om... "John.E" wrote in message m... This was applied in my exam... (sailing not motoring) I got about two minutes to fix my position from a 3point/running fix and I was sent then below decks (with curtains closed and no outside view)... Once below I was then supplied with my target... (a bouy about 6-7 Nm away along the Solent, a very busy stretch of water full of commercial and pleasure traffic) I was allowed the following info... crew were permitted to supply shape of any bouy passed within 5-10mtrs... (not colour or markings) crew could supply compass heading if course requested heading could not be achieved... (under sail, no motors) crew could supply speed through water from log reading... (no VMG or other compute details) crew could supply current depth from echo sounder... (I assume the a leadline is concidered to be aboard) charts of given exam area and tidal atlas... The examiner would also feed me various sound signals just to spcie things up! There you have it, the only info available was information that could be gleaned without the use of any electronic device and no engines used. JohnE Thanks John, Excellent description. With so many clues and imputs it seems to be fairly basic. With the shapes of bouys who needs to know the color, and with the spacing being far enough apart its real easy to reckon. With sound signals and depth reading you should be able to stay in a channel and know exactly were you are, or know when your getting out of it, and perhaps plot your progress thru any area that has a bottom that varies in depth. All this information that can be combined on any detailed chart for a fairly accurate fix. One mistake., You said all the information must be gleened without the use of any electronic aids. And unless your using a lead line you were cheating. Touche' :-)) I did say a line was assumed, though it would have added more spice have a crew member swing for me, the data supplied would have helped as I could have had wax samples to help confirm the sea floor materials (hoho) I'm glad this answered your query Joe. The UK YM Offshore (there is also an Ocean, a bitch theory paper, oral exam, and qualifying passage with sights etc) is fairly tough. It runs for 6 to 8 hours none stop at sea, you take command of the vessel and off you go, under the microscope. Though it is not the be all and end all of certification though many people do fail it due to the range of areas examined and the live condition of the test, no second chance, you deliver the lot on demand in one go or you blow it. What it does do is let a lot of us go to sea with the some sound sailing abilities to look after ourselves, our crews, our vessels and hopefully remove the risk to other vessels and crews from our bad calls. John As a foot note: The 2 most experienced (miles on boats) candidates that week failed at the hands of my examiner. One had us run down by an imaginary ship while following a channel and the the other failed the rudderless sailing exercise (helm lashed, steer with the sails only) and sent a crew memebr forward to change a sail in an F6-7 blow, in the dark, on thier own when we had a total body count of 5, there were other sins to but these spring to mind. The examiner was a Joint Services Sailing Instructor (military) and a real stickler. He had me trolling about for 20 or 30 minutes once I had arrived at my blind nav' destination claiming the bouy was not to be seen, just waiting for my bottle to go. The crew gave it away in the end by cracking up as I trolled past and past again the target :-) When he finally let me out on deck, just as I ducked my head to light a smoke he call MOB, more stress and on it went ... I went on to pass and became his lowest mileage pass ever (some self praise), in fact I was around 50 miles short of the minimum figure but as most of my sea time was single handed coastal sailing (all tides and pilotage) he cut me the slack based on the range of my experiences and competence. He did however then tell me to go away and learn to sail :-) The following year I completed 3 trans-atlantics and several Med-UK deliveried in capacity from deckie to skipper :-)) And 10 years on I am still learning... |
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Mapped out a sailing program and got the local council to run it as a retraining project to allow me and several others to knock most of them off in a 6 month time slot. It bailed out our local sailing school for a while until they rolled over and the project was bailed by the Docklands Trust. Still got the silly little paper tags in the back of the logbook too, can validate a time line if needed. Took my YM offshore practical about 12 months after that, did my Ocean qualifier about 3 months after that (theory already bagged on project) but never did the oral as I just ain't so hot with a sextant and sight reduction tables. Still note you have not answered the call, good job diverting attention for the question raised though. You a faker or no Dolan? I have my knife and fork ready if I need it, but I still ain't convinced. JohnE "Donal" wrote in message ... "John.E" wrote in message ... Donal, I did my exam around 11 years ago. I had just started sailing and was studying my CC, DS, CS and YMOf & YMOc at the time you claim to have passed yours. All of them? At the same time??? You are taking the p&ss! I don't believe that anybody would/could study all these courses at the same time. Do you really expect us to believe that you did the Competent Crew and the Yachtmaster Ocean at the same time? I think that you are a liar! I do not see that it is possible to meet the the requirements for the YMO in the same year that you do the CC. I can not say I noticed the exam guideline or curriculum changing in that time. Which leads to my questions... Do really have a YM? Which is it? What endorsments do you carry? What is your issue number? At the rate they were/are awarded I would imagine we will be within 1000 of each other. Go on, be brave, face me down on this one. I will eat humble pie if needed but IMO you are a faker! You are wrong. Why do you think that I am a faker? Get your knife and fork ready. Regards Donal -- |
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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... snip I noticed that, but he actually said "could be gleaned" without electronics. The modern depth sounder actually give less info than the traditional lead line, especially to someone very familiar with the area. Even the old "spinning neon tube" sounders gave a lot of useful info. The "tridata" style sounder is worthless compared to a basic fishfinder. Spinning Neon :-)) Great arn't they. Fussy bar for soft stuff and clean ping for bear rocks :-)) I still use one. JohnE |
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"Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "Donal" wrote in message Doug might be correct, it is possible that most of it gets exported. Another whiskey that seems to be only available abroad is Tullamore Dew. I've got a bottle of that in the booze cupboard, sells for the same price as our domestic rye whiskeys, in other words, an arm and a leg after the Government gets its' cut. Cheers Marty |
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"John.E" wrote in message ... Donal, Mapped out a sailing program and got the local council to run it as a retraining project to allow me and several others to knock most of them off in a 6 month time slot. It bailed out our local sailing school for a while until they rolled over and the project was bailed by the Docklands Trust. Still got the silly little paper tags in the back of the logbook too, can validate a time line if needed. Took my YM offshore practical about 12 months after that, did my Ocean qualifier about 3 months after that (theory already bagged on project) but never did the oral as I just ain't so hot with a sextant and sight reduction tables. I'm confused. Are you saying that you haven't got a YMO? Still note you have not answered the call, good job diverting attention for the question raised though. You a faker or no Dolan? I have my knife and fork ready if I need it, but I still ain't convinced. Keep them clean. You'll be able to use them in about a week! BTW, do you know of a company whose name begins with Q? Don't waste time thinking about the question. It either makes complete sense, or none. Regards Donal -- |
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"John.E" wrote in message m...
Do really have a YM? Do ya Donal? Take a picture and post it O Yachtmaster! Which is it? Yeah Which is it Lanod? What endorsments do you carry? No radar! Thats for sure. What is your issue number? At the rate they were/are awarded I would imagine we will be within 1000 of each other. What the Number Donal? Post a picture like Neil did. Put up or shut up! Go on, be brave, face me down on this one. I will eat humble pie if needed but IMO you are a faker! JohnE He's all talk with no knowledge John. Anyone that claims they had to navigate with the windows blackened out and no imput has to be a faker! Joe MSV RedCloud |
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"Donal" wrote in message ... "John.E" wrote in message ... Donal, Mapped out a sailing program and got the local council to run it as a retraining project to allow me and several others to knock most of them off in a 6 month time slot. It bailed out our local sailing school for a while until they rolled over and the project was bailed by the Docklands Trust. Still got the silly little paper tags in the back of the logbook too, can validate a time line if needed. Took my YM offshore practical about 12 months after that, did my Ocean qualifier about 3 months after that (theory already bagged on project) but never did the oral as I just ain't so hot with a sextant and sight reduction tables. I'm confused. Are you saying that you haven't got a YMO? Which bit of "Took my YM offshore practical about 12 months after that" confused you? Still note you have not answered the call, good job diverting attention for the question raised though. You a faker or no Dolan? I have my knife and fork ready if I need it, but I still ain't convinced. Keep them clean. You'll be able to use them in about a week! Can't be bothered. From your reluctance to answer it seems even more likey you just full of it. BTW, do you know of a company whose name begins with Q? Don't waste time thinking about the question. It either makes complete sense, or none. Makes no sense! Regards Donal -- Come on, put up or shut up. Your evasion is getting tedious and merely further reinforces the impression that you a faker, or to use your own parlance, a LIAR! JohnE |
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"Joe" wrote in message om... "John.E" wrote in message m... Do really have a YM? Do ya Donal? Take a picture and post it O Yachtmaster! Which is it? Yeah Which is it Lanod? What endorsments do you carry? No radar! Thats for sure. What is your issue number? At the rate they were/are awarded I would imagine we will be within 1000 of each other. What the Number Donal? Post a picture like Neil did. Put up or shut up! Don't need a picky Joe (but it would be nice). If the the number is around 1000 before mine he is probably cosher. Go on, be brave, face me down on this one. I will eat humble pie if needed but IMO you are a faker! JohnE He's all talk with no knowledge John. Anyone that claims they had to navigate with the windows blackened out and no imput has to be a faker! Joe MSV RedCloud Could be he's a tellypath ;-)) JohnE |
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"John.E" wrote in message ... "Donal" wrote in message ... validate a time line if needed. Took my YM offshore practical about 12 months after that, did my Ocean qualifier about 3 months after that (theory already bagged on project) but never did the oral as I just ain't so hot with a sextant and sight reduction tables. I'm confused. Are you saying that you haven't got a YMO? Which bit of "Took my YM offshore practical about 12 months after that" confused you? I somehow got the impression that you were claiming to have done the "Yachtmaster.Ocean" a couple of posts back. Keep them clean. You'll be able to use them in about a week! Can't be bothered. From your reluctance to answer it seems even more likey you just full of it. It will be worth the wait, honestly. BTW, do you know of a company whose name begins with Q? Don't waste time thinking about the question. It either makes complete sense, or none. Makes no sense! Whew! I didn't want to have a row with someone that I might know. Come on, put up or shut up. Your evasion is getting tedious and merely further reinforces the impression that you a faker, or to use your own parlance, a LIAR! I said that you will be able to use your cutlery in a week. It's more fun this way. I *will* answer your questions within the week. I promise. Regards Donal -- |
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"Donal" wrote in message ...
BTW, do you know of a company whose name begins with Q? Don't waste time thinking about the question. It either makes complete sense, or none. I DO! I DO! It that company that make the gagets for Bond, James Bond. The guy who runs the show is named Q. Every Brit knows that, shucks even us Texans know that. Why do you ask?, Are you looking for super secret yachtmaster gear. Like the innercranium gyro repeater, or the blind man compass glasses, or perhaps hull piercing foward looking infer-red goggles. That Q fellow is pretty smart. Good luck shopping. Joe MSV RedCloud Regards Donal -- |
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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... Donal wrote: "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "Donal" wrote in message Doug might be correct, it is possible that most of it gets exported. Another whiskey that seems to be only available abroad is Tullamore Dew. I've got a bottle of that in the booze cupboard, sells for the same price as our domestic rye whiskeys, in other words, an arm and a leg after the Government gets its' cut. Have a taste, and tell us what you think of it. I am under the impression that the "connisseurs"(sp?... I can see it's wrong, but I don't know why!) do not rate it highly. However, to my simple taste buds, it is as good as Bushmills Green Label, and yet only costs half as much. Regards Donal -- |
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otnmbrd wrote in message ink.net...
Donal wrote: "otnmbrd" wrote in message .... and as you say, "passage planning" is an area that many people do not make enough use of, and an area that can save a good deal of grief if properly employed. Before taking the family on cross-channel trips, I always make sure that my wife and eldest son do a passage plan. That way, if anything happens to me they should be able to carry on. I've also taught my kids that using the GPS means a longer crossing, even when you allow for the *predicted* tide. The tides are rarely exactly as predicted. This doesn't matter much on a 12-14 hour crossing, because if the tide goes faster one way, then it will also go faster the other way. So we usually stick to our course. Big errors usually correct themselves when the tide turns. One of the "problems" with using GPS exclusively for navigation, is that often we either forget or never learn some of the "old" tricks that were used, prior to GPS. For instance, there are many routes that people take, where they knew the effects of current and didn't bother with course change that the GPS may show as needed to make point "B" from point "A". Prior to GPS, you'd set one course and never change it (on these routes) and no matter how far you wandered off the base course line, you left the course alone, because when you got to point "B", you'd have wandered back to where you wanted to be. 13 years ago, there was far less electronics on boats. There wasn't even GPS. I think it's been a bit longer than that....course, the time element of change from "sat nav" to "gps" is kinda blurry ... sat nav being in the early 80's The only nav systems that I saw on boats was Decca. Maybe GPS sets were too expensive??? Until GPS, SAT NAV sets tended to be expensive, required (initially) knowing antenna height, and only gave positions when they had satellites aligned (visible) so they may not give you positions as and when you really needed them, which meant you best be using other methods also. Hmmm, who's trolling? Joe claims that doing 25 knots in fog under radar alone is safe. He refuses to believe that you can use tide tables and a chart to plan a course that you can actually use without much further assistance. Now you expect me to remember all the precise details of something that I studied 13 years ago! G I think you misread/understood what Joe was saying (at least, I read his statement differently) No one runs the type of boat he was talking about, in fog, at those speeds, under radar "alone". Did you read the thread? He seemed pretty clear on the subject, and defended his position quite vigourously. Been following it all along. We are obviously interpreting it differently. The route is well known, local knowledge is extensive, tides and currents are well known and specific, as are traffic patterns, densities, etc., and a lookout is normal (lookout may not be on the bow as this could be dangerous, but there will be one, though I recognize "idiots" exist in all quarters). Joe was adamant that he used radar, and didn't need any other form of lookout. I read he was using radar as his most immediate and important source of traffic and navigation information, not his only source. If he didn't have a second pair of eyes from among the crew, also watching from some position, then shame on him. We always in a channel had another person on lookout, but keep in mind he also had the duty of engineroom walkthrus. If you have ever ran the mississippi this time of the year you would know what Im talking about. You can have your deckhands face buried into another radar, that the only way he is going to help lookout. To be looking out the windows was a waste of time, the fog is that thick, your lucky if you can see your bow. Donal is insane if he thinks it will help to put a man on the bow of a crewboat doing 20 knots, I wouldent even suggest that on a clear day in a channel, just incase you run aground or hit a submerged object. At 20+ knts your not going to hear much besides your own boat. And if he's yelling at something he see's it to late to do much about it. The fact is Donal hasent a clue what a professional mariner can accomplish with the proper tools. He thinks it best to put a person on the bow because he does on a quiet sailboat doing 2 knots. Thats safe to him because it will help him. On a crewboat your risking your crews life doing something so stupid. 100 tons of aluminum going 20 knots with a 180 pound kid on the bow...........in the fog........... Id rather have him strapped in the wheelhouse learning how to use a curser and ID targets. Donal can not understand how someone could navigate a river or channel at 20 + knot safely with radars as your only eyes. Donal has no real pratical skills using a radar, or pratical skills at radar plotting. Rivers and canals are the best place to do this. With flat water you can tune a radar to see the wake off a canoe. The outline of the banks can be as familiar as seeing it in the day. Tanks on the banks, Hunting shacks, channel markers, islands, bouys, docks, tree clumps, logs and even seagrass clumps can be tuned in to a crystal clear picture if you know what your looking at, and know how to use the tool. Would he argue so strongly if I said the wheelhouse was equiped with FLIR? He's just a baby step above a weekend warrior. Joe MSV RedCloud Now, as to your memory ..... of course I expect you to remember those details .... just don't expect me to remember the details of my "radar recertification" I did @6 mos ago. I've come to the conclusion that you remember the things that are of practical use. For example, I have forgotton almost all of the morse code. still remember that I've also forgotton what most identification lights mean. If they have anything unusual, then I give way. G good reason to always have the "Rules" book handy. I try to read it cover to cover every 6 mos, and frequently thumb through the "lights" section at other times, especially if I've been caught short on making an identity, while underway. To be honest, getting into these discussions, has and is an excellent way to maintain "Rules" currency. Were you aware, that the latest change to rule 8(a), was mainly an attempt to emphasis the rule regarding changing course to port to avoid a collision? BG Just thought I'd throw that in there. otn Regards Donal -- |
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"Joe" wrote in message om... "Donal" wrote in message ... BTW, do you know of a company whose name begins with Q? Don't waste time thinking about the question. It either makes complete sense, or none. I DO! I DO! It that company that make the gagets for Bond, James Bond. The guy who runs the show is named Q. Every Brit knows that, shucks even us Texans know that. Why do you ask?, Are you looking for super secret yachtmaster gear. No. I am trying to avoid a flame war with someone that I might know. Somebody who might nor be aware that he knows me. It's a small world sometimes, and I know somebody with a name that made me wonder. Like the innercranium gyro repeater, or the blind man compass glasses, or perhaps hull piercing foward looking infer-red goggles. You should do your own typing, Joe! That Q fellow is pretty smart. Good luck shopping. Thanks. Regards Donal -- |
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"John.E" wrote in message ... "Joe" wrote in message om... "John.E" wrote in message m... Do really have a YM? Do ya Donal? Take a picture and post it O Yachtmaster! Which is it? Yeah Which is it Lanod? What endorsments do you carry? No radar! Thats for sure. What is your issue number? At the rate they were/are awarded I would imagine we will be within 1000 of each other. What the Number Donal? Post a picture like Neil did. Put up or shut up! Don't need a picky Joe (but it would be nice). If the the number is around 1000 before mine he is probably cosher. Go on, be brave, face me down on this one. I will eat humble pie if needed but IMO you are a faker! JohnE He's all talk with no knowledge John. Anyone that claims they had to navigate with the windows blackened out and no imput has to be a faker! Joe MSV RedCloud Could be he's a tellypath ;-)) Possibly! One thing is certain - you aren't telepathic. Tell us, how many Trans-Atlantic trips have you done? Regards Donal -- |
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Joe wrote: We always in a channel had another person on lookout, but keep in mind he also had the duty of engineroom walkthrus. If you have ever ran the mississippi this time of the year you would know what Im talking about. Been there done that. You can have your deckhands face buried into another radar, that the only way he is going to help lookout. To be looking out the windows was a waste of time, the fog is that thick, your lucky if you can see your bow. I'm not a proponent of total immersion in the radar hood, though at times it's necessary. I have always preferred to pull back, at times and rest my eyes and attention .... sometimes, you might be able to see more than you expect .... it's a total awareness thingy. Donal is insane if he thinks it will help to put a man on the bow of a crewboat doing 20 knots, I wouldent even suggest that on a clear day in a channel, just incase you run aground or hit a submerged object. At 20+ knts your not going to hear much besides your own boat. It may or may not, but here, the safety issue for the crew, is paramount, and the communications issue, important. And if he's yelling at something he see's it to late to do much about it. G Mebbe ... depends on whether you've also seen it and/or hit it. The fact is Donal hasent a clue what a professional mariner can accomplish with the proper tools. He thinks it best to put a person on the bow because he does on a quiet sailboat doing 2 knots. Thats safe to him because it will help him. On a crewboat your risking your crews life doing something so stupid. 100 tons of aluminum going 20 knots with a 180 pound kid on the bow...........in the fog........... Id rather have him strapped in the wheelhouse learning how to use a curser and ID targets. Donal can not understand how someone could navigate a river or channel at 20 + knot safely with radars as your only eyes. Donal has no real pratical skills using a radar, or pratical skills at radar plotting. Now, let's be honest Joe G how often do you perform an actual "plot", under these conditions with the equipment you have? Rivers and canals are the best place to do this. With flat water you can tune a radar to see the wake off a canoe. The outline of the banks can be as familiar as seeing it in the day. Tanks on the banks, Hunting shacks, channel markers, islands, bouys, docks, tree clumps, logs and even seagrass clumps can be tuned in to a crystal clear picture if you know what your looking at, and know how to use the tool. Would he argue so strongly if I said the wheelhouse was equiped with FLIR? BG I'm waiting for them to come up with a lightweight, portable, inexpensive unit, that I can carry with me. otn |
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Donal,
My claim was to have taken the Yachtmater Exam that included the topic of descussion, Blind Navigation. As I believe your claim was! As there is no blind nav' on the Ocean course, either theory or practical, assuming you have completed one or either (can't do Ocean without Offshore in any case) then your provarication over confusion as to Offshore or Ocean still further digs the hole you currently sitting in. I am becoming more sceptical as to why is going to take still more time to ID you certificate. Is this so can check for an appropriate name in the correct time frame? After all, IF YOU do hold the ticket it is simply a case of posting a number. This should only take moments should it not? Come on, as I have said before, post it now and lets put this fantasy of your to sleep... I know what I have done, make no issues over my strengths of failings, or the level of my certifaction. Why is it you still can't do such a simple thig? JohnE |
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"Donal" wrote in message ... "John.E" wrote in message ... "Joe" wrote in message om... "John.E" wrote in message m... Do really have a YM? Do ya Donal? Take a picture and post it O Yachtmaster! Which is it? Yeah Which is it Lanod? What endorsments do you carry? No radar! Thats for sure. What is your issue number? At the rate they were/are awarded I would imagine we will be within 1000 of each other. What the Number Donal? Post a picture like Neil did. Put up or shut up! Don't need a picky Joe (but it would be nice). If the the number is around 1000 before mine he is probably cosher. Go on, be brave, face me down on this one. I will eat humble pie if needed but IMO you are a faker! JohnE He's all talk with no knowledge John. Anyone that claims they had to navigate with the windows blackened out and no imput has to be a faker! Joe MSV RedCloud Could be he's a tellypath ;-)) Possibly! One thing is certain - you aren't telepathic. Tell us, how many Trans-Atlantic trips have you done? Regards Donal -- 3 in total. Sigma 39 (UK - Antigua), Victoria 34 (Antigua - UK) and a Swan 40 (Canaries - St. Lucia). And you? JohnE |
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I am under the impression that the "connisseurs"(sp?... I can see it's wrong, but I don't know why!) do not rate it highly. However, to my simple taste buds, it is as good as Bushmills Green Label, and yet only costs half as much. Well I'm hardly a connoisseur of Irish Whiskeys, but, IMHO, Tullamore is not as good as Bushmills, (any label), it seems to be somewhat harsher, less smooth if you will. However, it's just great for making Irish Coffee, which would probably be a hanging offense if done with Bushmills Green! Sort of like mixing soda and adding ice to Glenlivit (sp). Cheers Marty |
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"John.E" wrote in message ... Donal, snip I am becoming more sceptical as to why is going to take still more time to ID you certificate. Is this so can check for an appropriate name in the correct time frame? After all, IF YOU do hold the ticket it is simply a case of posting a number. This should only take moments should it not? Correct. Come on, as I have said before, post it now and lets put this fantasy of your to sleep... I know what I have done, make no issues over my strengths of failings, or the level of my certifaction. Why is it you still can't do such a simple thig? You are suffering from the delusion that I owe you any kind of response at all. Imagine that you walk into a strange pub. You overhear part of an argument between two of the regulars. Would you introduce yourself by immediately attacking the integrity of one of the participants? That is exactly what you appear to have done here. Even worse, you have incorrectly questioned my integrity. You have behaved with outrageous impertinence, and I feel that you might learn some manners if I treat you the same way. As I have repeatedly said, I will prove you wrong within the next 6 days. I deserve to get a little pleasure from the exercise. Keep the cutlery ready! Regards Donal -- |
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"Donal" wrote in message ... Imagine that you walk into a strange pub. You overhear part of an argument between two of the regulars. Would you introduce yourself by immediately attacking the integrity of one of the participants? Are you taking the moral high ground? BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Thanks, I needed a good laugh. Its -8F outside now. I can't go for a sail because the harbor is frozen. |
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Some comments interspersed: Joe wrote: We always in a channel had another person on lookout, but keep in mind he also had the duty of engineroom walkthrus. If you have ever ran the mississippi this time of the year you would know what Im talking about. Been there done that. You can have your deckhands face buried into another radar, that the only way he is going to help lookout. To be looking out the windows was a waste of time, the fog is that thick, your lucky if you can see your bow. I'm not a proponent of total immersion in the radar hood, though at times it's necessary. I have always preferred to pull back, at times and rest my eyes and attention .... sometimes, you might be able to see more than you expect .... it's a total awareness thingy. Thats OK at night or offshore, but not a good ideal in the day or river.... It's a night vision issue. Fof blindness is somewhat like snow blindness Donal is insane if he thinks it will help to put a man on the bow of a crewboat doing 20 knots, I wouldent even suggest that on a clear day in a channel, just incase you run aground or hit a submerged object. At 20+ knts your not going to hear much besides your own boat. It may or may not, but here, the safety issue for the crew, is paramount, and the communications issue, important. Yeah, on a crewboat its dangerious and near impossiable to communicate And if he's yelling at something he see's it to late to do much about it. G Mebbe ... depends on whether you've also seen it and/or hit it. If you can not see your bow, whats he going to see or prevent at 20kts? The fact is Donal hasent a clue what a professional mariner can accomplish with the proper tools. He thinks it best to put a person on the bow because he does on a quiet sailboat doing 2 knots. Thats safe to him because it will help him. On a crewboat your risking your crews life doing something so stupid. 100 tons of aluminum going 20 knots with a 180 pound kid on the bow...........in the fog........... Id rather have him strapped in the wheelhouse learning how to use a curser and ID targets. Donal can not understand how someone could navigate a river or channel at 20 + knot safely with radars as your only eyes. Donal has no real pratical skills using a radar, or pratical skills at radar plotting. Now, let's be honest Joe G how often do you perform an actual "plot", under these conditions with the equipment you have? Plotting.... not often unless coming up on a seabouy with inbound traffic or offshore. On the crewboats we did little plotting, but supply and tow boats we plotted most targets, always when we were the lead tow on a jack-up or semi. Rivers and canals are the best place to do this. With flat water you can tune a radar to see the wake off a canoe. The outline of the banks can be as familiar as seeing it in the day. Tanks on the banks, Hunting shacks, channel markers, islands, bouys, docks, tree clumps, logs and even seagrass clumps can be tuned in to a crystal clear picture if you know what your looking at, and know how to use the tool. Would he argue so strongly if I said the wheelhouse was equiped with FLIR? BG I'm waiting for them to come up with a lightweight, portable, inexpensive unit, that I can carry with me. Raytheon has a real cool unit you see on cop cars all the time now 7 grand. not to portable, but awesome preformance. I know one crewboat the Comet out of Freeport has one. We use to call the owner Capt. Gaget. Totally tricked out boat. Joe MSV RedCloud otn |
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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... "Donal" wrote in message ... Imagine that you walk into a strange pub. You overhear part of an argument between two of the regulars. Would you introduce yourself by immediately attacking the integrity of one of the participants? Are you taking the moral high ground? Absolutely, and unreservedly! BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Don't laugh too much, or too soon. Thanks, I needed a good laugh. Its -8F outside now. I can't go for a sail because the harbor is frozen. I thought that you motorsailed everywhere? Regards Donal -- |
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Are you taking the moral high ground?
Absolutely, and unreservedly! Sorry, I used to have some respect for you, but you've used that up lately. BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Don't laugh too much, or too soon. Why not? Regardless of the truth, your behaviour has been laughable! BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Thanks, I needed a good laugh. Its -8F outside now. I can't go for a sail because the harbor is frozen. I thought that you motorsailed everywhere? It is ironic that while my current boat is the fastest I've had, and I've put a lot of hours on the engines. Of course, I've done inland waterways from Toronto to Key West. However, last year we were able to sail most of the time, once out of the harbor. The cat just needs a bit of searoom to make it fun. |
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"Donal" wrote in message ...
"MC" wrote in message ... Donal wrote: I've also forgotton what most lights mean. If they have anything unusual, then I give way. Even to channel markers? No, I know those! I was talking about the lights shown by various types of vessel. Regards Donal -- Now your showing your true abilitys. Get you a set of flash cards and learn all the various configurations, your flirting with disaster Lanod. Giving way to a tow might get you cut in half. Plus your kiddos will have fun learning them. Joe MSV RedCloud |
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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... Donal wrote: I am under the impression that the "connisseurs"(sp?... I can see it's wrong, but I don't know why!) do not rate it highly. However, to my simple taste buds, it is as good as Bushmills Green Label, and yet only costs half as much. Well I'm hardly a connoisseur of Irish Whiskeys, but, IMHO, Tullamore is not as good as Bushmills, (any label), it seems to be somewhat harsher, less smooth if you will. However, it's just great for making Irish Coffee, which would probably be a hanging offense if done with Bushmills Green! Sort of like mixing soda and adding ice to Glenlivit (sp). Green Bush is £22.00 a bottle ($39.60)in the UK. Usually, I pay £6-£8 for the Tullamore in France. Perhaps my taste buds can be easily influenced by money!! Regards Donal -- |
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Donal wrote:
Green Bush is £22.00 a bottle ($39.60)in the UK. Usually, I pay £6-£8 for the Tullamore in France. Perhaps my taste buds can be easily influenced by money!! Regards Sounds about right, $34 Can for Tullamore (1.34l), $46 can for the Bush, (1.34l) Cheers Marty |
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Joe wrote: I'm not a proponent of total immersion in the radar hood, though at times it's necessary. I have always preferred to pull back, at times and rest my eyes and attention .... sometimes, you might be able to see more than you expect .... it's a total awareness thingy. Thats OK at night or offshore, but not a good ideal in the day or river.... It's a night vision issue. Fof blindness is somewhat like snow blindness Understand what you are referring to, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this. In many if not most cases, now, the "daylight" screens tend to solve this problem. The greater problem applies to normal visual lookouts who are staring/concentrating while scanning the horizon, as well as those staring/concentrating on the radar screen ..... they tend to develop a narrowed response to the overall picture, which causes them to miss some things and I have frequently been surprised that when I look away, then look back, that I pick up something that I was missing before .... G not the easiest thing to explain. If you can not see your bow, whats he going to see or prevent at 20kts? G One never knows for certain. Again, I'm not necessarily advocating a constant visual lookout, but more of a split visual, radar, hearing, for the designated lookout, in your case..... each case can and will vary. Plotting.... not often unless coming up on a seabouy with inbound traffic or offshore. On the crewboats we did little plotting, but supply and tow boats we plotted most targets, always when we were the lead tow on a jack-up or semi. On a tow, you are apt to have more time ... on the crewboat, you might have to rely on the EBL and VRM unless you have ARPA capabilities. Rivers and canals are the best place to do this. With flat water you can tune a radar to see the wake off a canoe. The outline of the banks can be as familiar as seeing it in the day. Tanks on the banks, Hunting shacks, channel markers, islands, bouys, docks, tree clumps, logs and even seagrass clumps can be tuned in to a crystal clear picture if you know what your looking at, and know how to use the tool. Would he argue so strongly if I said the wheelhouse was equiped with FLIR? BG I'm waiting for them to come up with a lightweight, portable, inexpensive unit, that I can carry with me. Raytheon has a real cool unit you see on cop cars all the time now 7 grand. not to portable, but awesome preformance. I know one crewboat the Comet out of Freeport has one. We use to call the owner Capt. Gaget. Totally tricked out boat. Fraid that all the units I've seen to date are too cumbersome and/or expensive for this "poor mans" application. otn |
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"John.E" wrote in message ... "Donal" wrote in message ... Possibly! One thing is certain - you aren't telepathic. Tell us, how many Trans-Atlantic trips have you done? 3 in total. Sigma 39 (UK - Antigua), Victoria 34 (Antigua - UK) and a Swan 40 (Canaries - St. Lucia). And you? None. Regards Donal -- |
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"Donal" wrote in message ... snip You are suffering from the delusion that I owe you any kind of response at all. Not at all. It just seems that if you talk the talk, as you do, then from time to time you may have to walk the walk. That may include producing evience of you claims from time to time. Life is a bitch but not everyone will believe all you say, particularly when some flawed info is put about. If you should choose not to respond, fine, but do not expect everyone to concider your claims true and be prepared to be challanged in public. Imagine that you walk into a strange pub. You overhear part of an argument between two of the regulars. Would you introduce yourself by immediately attacking the integrity of one of the participants? This not a strange pub. It is a public forum, PUBLIC FORUM being the operative words. If you want to brag and advice in confidence then why post to a public environment? And as for attack the integrity of the participants, yep, but I called you a faker initially (fairly mellow term), I believe you have bandied the phrase LIAR in your earlier posts, provocative or what. For my sins I fell to your level over that one. That is exactly what you appear to have done here. Even worse, you have incorrectly questioned my integrity. Not at all. You make claims you can not or will not support in a public place. Be prepared to be challanged. You miss quoted the conditions for the RYA Yachtmaster Offshore blind nav' test. As one who has taken and past this exam I feel I am entitled to correct you and even question the validity of your claims. You have behaved with outrageous impertinence, and I feel that you might learn some manners if I treat you the same way. Mmmm. I doubt you could teach me manners, as indeed I doubt you could teach others to sail. To teach one must command respect, for you and your yarns I have little to none. As I have repeatedly said, I will prove you wrong within the next 6 days. I deserve to get a little pleasure from the exercise. Well, I will keep watching, but I am a sceptical as ever abouth the truth of your claims. This scepticism is ever more reinforced byt your total lack of ability to respond to any question put to you with regaurds to the topic under descussion, i.e. Yacht Master Offshore and the RYA exam it entails. Keep the cutlery ready! All ready back in the draw. As I have said, the information you require could probably be extracted from public records in the number of days you wish the group to wait so would in fairness carry little on no weight for myself and possibly others. Regards Donal -- JohnE |
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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... Donal wrote: Green Bush is £22.00 a bottle ($39.60)in the UK. Usually, I pay £6-£8 for the Tullamore in France. Perhaps my taste buds can be easily influenced by money!! Regards Sounds about right, $34 Can for Tullamore (1.34l), $46 can for the Bush, (1.34l) Our bottles are only 0.7l. [sigh] Regards Donal -- |
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"John.E" wrote in message ... "Donal" wrote in message ... snip You are suffering from the delusion that I owe you any kind of response at all. Not at all. It just seems that if you talk the talk, as you do, then from time to time you may have to walk the walk. That may include producing evience of you claims from time to time. Life is a bitch but not everyone will believe all you say, particularly when some flawed info is put about. If you should choose not to respond, fine, but do not expect everyone to concider your claims true and be prepared to be challanged in public. Imagine that you walk into a strange pub. You overhear part of an argument between two of the regulars. Would you introduce yourself by immediately attacking the integrity of one of the participants? This not a strange pub. It is a public forum, PUBLIC FORUM being the operative words. If you want to brag and advice in confidence then why post to a public environment? And as for attack the integrity of the participants, yep, but I called you a faker initially (fairly mellow term), I believe you have bandied the phrase LIAR in your earlier posts, provocative or what. For my sins I fell to your level over that one. Oh, pleeeasse! Are you really so naive as to think that "faker" is fairly mellow? Calling me a faker is accusing me of deception. If I prove, beyond all doubt, that I am not a faker, would that mean that you lied when you said that I was a faker? If you answer "yes", then I will answer all your original questions as soon as I read your post. That is exactly what you appear to have done here. Even worse, you have incorrectly questioned my integrity. Not at all. You make claims you can not or will not support in a public place. Be prepared to be challanged. I am. Believe me. You miss quoted the conditions for the RYA Yachtmaster Offshore blind nav' test. As one who has taken and past this exam I feel I am entitled to correct you and even question the validity of your claims. I accepted your correction almost immediately. Perhaps you missed my post, or you felt like trying your luck at a flame war. You have behaved with outrageous impertinence, and I feel that you might learn some manners if I treat you the same way. Mmmm. I doubt you could teach me manners, as indeed I doubt you could teach others to sail. To teach one must command respect, for you and your yarns I have little to none. "Yarns"? Are you calling me a liar again? I am truly impressed by your level of stupidity. As I have repeatedly said, I will prove you wrong within the next 6 days. I deserve to get a little pleasure from the exercise. Well, I will keep watching, but I am a sceptical as ever abouth the truth of your claims. This scepticism is ever more reinforced byt your total lack of ability to respond to any question put to you with regaurds to the topic under descussion, i.e. Yacht Master Offshore and the RYA exam it entails. It isn't "lack of ability". It is "lack of accountability". I don't owe you an answer. In fact I don't owe you anything at all. I've chosen to answer your questions after a suitable delay because I wanted to see you dig a really deep hole for yourself. I had allowed 7 days for you to demonstrate the true depths of your ignorance. However, it seems that you might have accomplished the task in much less. Congratulations!! Keep the cutlery ready! All ready back in the draw. As I have said, the information you require could probably be extracted from public records in the number of days you wish the group to wait so would in fairness carry little on no weight for myself and possibly others. Am I a faker? What is the difference between a faker and a liar? Did you call me a faker? Regards Donal -- |
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"otnmbrd" wrote in message hlink.net... Joe wrote: I'm not a proponent of total immersion in the radar hood, though at times it's necessary. I have always preferred to pull back, at times and rest my eyes and attention .... sometimes, you might be able to see more than you expect .... it's a total awareness thingy. Thats OK at night or offshore, but not a good ideal in the day or river.... It's a night vision issue. Fof blindness is somewhat like snow blindness Understand what you are referring to, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this. In many if not most cases, now, the "daylight" screens tend to solve this problem. The greater problem applies to normal visual lookouts who are staring/concentrating while scanning the horizon, as well as those staring/concentrating on the radar screen ..... they tend to develop a narrowed response to the overall picture, which causes them to miss some things and I have frequently been surprised that when I look away, then look back, that I pick up something that I was missing before .... G not the easiest thing to explain. It may not be easy to explain, but I think that you are describing the same thing that I was referring to, when I said that "14 hours peering into the fog" was very tiring. 5 minutes leaves you wondering if your eyes are working properly. I've now got radar. If you can not see your bow, whats he going to see or prevent at 20kts? G One never knows for certain. Again, I'm not necessarily advocating a constant visual lookout, The CollRegs *do* advocate a constant visual lookout. Joe thinks it is a waste of time. Jeff isn't sure what he thinks. I wonder what JohnE thinks? Regards Donal -- |
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"Donal" wrote in message ... Calling me a faker is accusing me of deception. If I prove, beyond all doubt, that I am not a faker, would that mean that you lied when you said that I was a faker? If you answer "yes", then I will answer all your original questions as soon as I read your post. Are you actually claiming John "lied" when he suggested you are a faker? You should be pleased! You were trying your best to act like a fool, weren't you? As I have repeatedly said, I will prove you wrong within the next 6 days. You're even trying to out do Boobsprit! -jeff |
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