MC wrote:

Yes he does, he now agrees that the rudder gives lift with weather helm.
Read it again carefully.

*You* read it again carefully, stupid.

What Matt said was the the drag caused by the rudder angle was more of a penalty on
forward velocity than the lift was a gain in VMG. In his second statement, he said
that the geometry was such that the rudder's lift produced torque. Do you know what
*that* means?

DSK

When will you remember the subject of the thread. Man are you dumb. the
discussion is about weatherliness (see the header). It's how close to
the wind can you sail anything that creates more lift helps. That's the
point.

Let me spell it out: We were not discussing VMG but weatherliness. Are
you finally admitting you don't understnad the difference?

Cheers



DSK wrote:


MC wrote:


Yes he does, he now agrees that the rudder gives lift with weather helm.
Read it again carefully.


*You* read it again carefully, stupid.



When will you remember the subject of the thread.

Man are you dumb. The discussion is about weatherliness (see the header).
It's how close to the wind can you sail. Anything that creates more lift
at the tightest sheeting angle
helps. That's the point.

Let me spell it out: We were not discussing VMG but weatherliness.
Are you finally admitting you don't understand the difference?

Cheers

What Matt said was the the drag caused by the rudder angle was more of a penalty on
forward velocity than the lift was a gain in VMG.

It's not a racing question Doug.

In his second statement, he said
that the geometry was such that the rudder's lift produced torque. Do you know what
*that* means?

Are you saying that the keels lift does not?

Cheers

MC wrote:

... We were not discussing VMG but weatherliness.

Actually, we were discussing both.

Are
you finally admitting you don't understnad the difference?

Sure. I need a good laugh today, go ahead and explain.

DSK

DSK wrote:

MC wrote:


... We were not discussing VMG but weatherliness.


Actually, we were discussing both.


No WE weren't. Look at the thread title. I suggest the issue of VMG was
brought up to try to cover Matt's not knowing about rudder lift adding
to weatherliness.


Are
you finally admitting you don't understnad the difference?


Sure. I need a good laugh today, go ahead and explain.


At last! Go back and revise the thread. you'll get it eventually.