"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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What makes a boat weatherly?

What is the best keel type, hull form, and rig type?

Bart, I think more people here would take part in your sailing queries if
you'd
frame them within a hypothetical sailing story.

Bob, all your sailing stories are hypothetical - and they aren't very
interesting.



Regards


Donal
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Bart,

James question should be answered. It was a good question. Define
WEATHERLY? That is very important to be clear on what is meant by
Weatherly.

Doug's answer explains a boats ability to go to "weather" Jeff
indicated VMG. They are only part of a good weatherly Boat.

In the last Am Cup Race, the KIWI"s had a boat that could go to wind at
a great angle. The POS needed full pumps and a man with a bucket to get
rid of the stern wave.

Any cruiser, worth his "Salt" would give away a little VMG for a dry
boat that will get up wind reasonable in a dry, comfortable fashion.
When beating into the wind for a couple of days, VMG isn't as important
as a dry boat that doesn't pound your teeth out. A boat that will trim
out at a decent heel (About 15 to 20 deg) that doesn't pull your arm out
of your shoulder socket with windward helm. A boat that will let you fry
an egg in the galley that is nearly round while climbing on the wind
near or on a 45 deg heading into the wind. Some of us Ole Timers would
call a boat that tacks thru 100 deg that has the other point a very,
very satisfactory "Weatherly Vessel"

A boat that can be trimmed with back stay tension, cunningham and maybe
barbar hauled sheet (If necessary) a weatherly rig. No jacks or sail
changes. That would be a Weatherly rig

A Hull shaped so that it wouldn't round up in a 25 Deg heel and carry a
neutral helm. A helm that would add enough reserved buoyancy in a heel
to keep the hull close to under the sail to maintain a heading

If it had all these characteristics and sailed like a witch would be
perfect!

Would you like to see the pictures of "Peunma" again?

Ole Thom

I think the most import issue regarding having
a weatherly boat is the ability to claw off a
lee shore--that is survivability.

So you brought up a very good point Thom! Points
to you. If you are freezing cold, wet, seasick,
and hungry, the upwind performance of the boat
will not matter much.

Bart Senior

(Thom Stewart) wrote

Bart,

James question should be answered. It was a good question. Define
WEATHERLY? That is very important to be clear on what is meant by
Weatherly.

Doug's answer explains a boats ability to go to "weather" Jeff
indicated VMG. They are only part of a good weatherly Boat.

In the last Am Cup Race, the KIWI"s had a boat that could go to wind at
a great angle. The POS needed full pumps and a man with a bucket to get
rid of the stern wave.

Any cruiser, worth his "Salt" would give away a little VMG for a dry
boat that will get up wind reasonable in a dry, comfortable fashion.
When beating into the wind for a couple of days, VMG isn't as important
as a dry boat that doesn't pound your teeth out. A boat that will trim
out at a decent heel (About 15 to 20 deg) that doesn't pull your arm out
of your shoulder socket with windward helm. A boat that will let you fry
an egg in the galley that is nearly round while climbing on the wind
near or on a 45 deg heading into the wind. Some of us Ole Timers would
call a boat that tacks thru 100 deg that has the other point a very,
very satisfactory "Weatherly Vessel"

A boat that can be trimmed with back stay tension, cunningham and maybe
barbar hauled sheet (If necessary) a weatherly rig. No jacks or sail
changes. That would be a Weatherly rig

A Hull shaped so that it wouldn't round up in a 25 Deg heel and carry a
neutral helm. A helm that would add enough reserved buoyancy in a heel
to keep the hull close to under the sail to maintain a heading

If it had all these characteristics and sailed like a witch would be
perfect!

Would you like to see the pictures of "Peunma" again?

Ole Thom

"N1EE" wrote in message
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I think the most import issue regarding having
a weatherly boat is the ability to claw off a
lee shore--that is survivability.

So you brought up a very good point Thom! Points
to you. If you are freezing cold, wet, seasick,
and hungry, the upwind performance of the boat
will not matter much.


I've been wondering about the definition of "weatherly" since this question
was posed [ one point Bart].


A couple of years ago, I was on a friend's 42' Bavaria. It was February,
and we were beating into an F5 under sail and 50 hp engine. I was very
aware of the fact that we were slamming much less than Setanta would have
been, under the same circumstances. The main difference was the extra
waterline length. The extra weight was also noticable.


So, to answer your original question, I would say that waterline length is
the most important factor.



Regards


Donal
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"N1EE" wrote ...
I think the most import issue regarding having
a weatherly boat is the ability to claw off a
lee shore--that is survivability.

Agreed, it is a very important ability especially in a cruiser that goes into
out of the way anchorages.



So you brought up a very good point Thom! Points
to you. If you are freezing cold, wet, seasick,
and hungry, the upwind performance of the boat
will not matter much.



I dunno... seems to me that being cold, wet, seasick, hungry, and getting bashed
into rocks on a lee shore would be worse.


Donal wrote:
I've been wondering about the definition of "weatherly" since this question
was posed [ one point Bart].

A couple of years ago, I was on a friend's 42' Bavaria. It was February,
and we were beating into an F5 under sail and 50 hp engine. I was very
aware of the fact that we were slamming much less than Setanta would have
been, under the same circumstances. The main difference was the extra
waterline length. The extra weight was also noticable.

So, to answer your original question, I would say that waterline length is
the most important factor.

Bigger is better, but it ain't evrything. The old square riggers were much
longer on the waterline than any modern sailboats, and they were not weatherly
at all by comparison. Look up the term 'embayed' and think if this has happened
to you or anyone you know sailing a modern small boat.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"DSK" wrote in message
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Bigger is better, but it ain't evrything. The old square riggers were much
longer on the waterline than any modern sailboats, and they were not
weatherly
at all by comparison.

Valid point! I now see the "windward" aspect of *weatherly* a little more
clearly.



Regards


Donal
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Donal wrote:

It was February,
and we were beating into an F5 under sail and 50 hp engine.

Why the engine? F5 should be good sailing conditions for that boat?

Cheers MC

"MC" wrote in message
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Donal wrote:

It was February,
and we were beating into an F5 under sail and 50 hp engine.

Why the engine? F5 should be good sailing conditions for that boat?

Hmmm!

The boat was a centre cockpit Barvaria 42. The wind was a very cold
easterly(4-6C). The owner had his wife aboard. She was diagnosed with
bronchitis a week later, and it took her a couple of months to recover.

The wind was almost dead on the nose, and the decision to motor made sense
at the time. In Setanta, I would have sailed further off the wind. I
might also have had the engine on (depending on time and tide constraints).
Setanta would definitely have slammed a lot more.



Regards


Donal
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