Heaving a line
 

What is the best way to heave a line for
maximum range?

Assumptions:

You are in a hurry, you do not have a line
launcher, messenger line, monkey's fist or
any other weight at the end of the line you
want to throw.

All you have is 100' of 5/8" braided line.


Bart Senior

Heaving a line
 

N1EE wrote:

What is the best way to heave a line for
maximum range?

With a shot line & messenger.



Assumptions:

You are in a hurry, you do not have a line
launcher, messenger line, monkey's fist or
any other weight at the end of the line you
want to throw.

All you have is 100' of 5/8" braided line.

hmmm... 100'?? I'll tip my hat to anybody who can throw a line more
than about 40'

The best way to throw a line is to flake about ten feet into your
throwing hand, running part up, and hold a flaked run in your other
hand, and give an exaggerated overhand throw like an old-time
grenadier. If you've got room to take two steps into the throw, that
adds some momentum as well. The biggest problem is that the line
usually tangles long before it gets to effective range, so it pays to
be extra careful flaking it out for the throw. The next biggest
problem is that the thrown line has to carry the weight of all the
line going with it, so that's why you put a length in your free hand
to pay it out easier.

Personally, I much prefer to never throw lines. Unless the crew is
drilled at this, they always fall short and then you've got a worse
problem. The exception would be taking another boat in tow in an
emergency, with a heavy sea running so that coming close alongside
would be asking for damage, or pulling a person out of the water.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Heaving a line
 

I would split the length into each hand on either side of my body,
then throw it underhand with my strongest arm (right in my case).
You get stability, and I doubt it could be thrown more than 50 feet
no matter what. I doubt I would use all 50 feet... more like 30.

"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
What is the best way to heave a line for
maximum range?

Assumptions:

You are in a hurry, you do not have a line
launcher, messenger line, monkey's fist or
any other weight at the end of the line you
want to throw.

All you have is 100' of 5/8" braided line.


Bart Senior

Heaving a line
 

2 coils, say about 20-30' in throwing hand the rest in other hand. Use
an underarm throw with shoulders swinging across the direct of throw (if
you see what I mean) aiming to send the rope up and out at about 45
degrees and as soon at the short coil is flying open the other hand flat
to let coils slip off. The rope must be coiled correctly to prevent
tangles and the coil should be in the direction that the rope is flying
so that the rotation imparted to the coil by the throw causes it to
unwind. (I do not think flaking the line is a good idea as it will
promote tangles more than a flying wide coil).

Cheers

N1EE wrote:

What is the best way to heave a line for
maximum range?

Assumptions:

You are in a hurry, you do not have a line
launcher, messenger line, monkey's fist or
any other weight at the end of the line you
want to throw.

All you have is 100' of 5/8" braided line.


Bart Senior

Heaving a line
 

More of a technical answer than mine, but I got it right first. :-)

"MC" wrote in message
...
2 coils, say about 20-30' in throwing hand the rest in other hand. Use
an underarm throw with shoulders swinging across the direct of throw (if
you see what I mean) aiming to send the rope up and out at about 45
degrees and as soon at the short coil is flying open the other hand flat
to let coils slip off. The rope must be coiled correctly to prevent
tangles and the coil should be in the direction that the rope is flying
so that the rotation imparted to the coil by the throw causes it to
unwind. (I do not think flaking the line is a good idea as it will
promote tangles more than a flying wide coil).

Cheers

N1EE wrote:

What is the best way to heave a line for
maximum range?

Assumptions:

You are in a hurry, you do not have a line
launcher, messenger line, monkey's fist or
any other weight at the end of the line you
want to throw.

All you have is 100' of 5/8" braided line.


Bart Senior

Heaving a line
 

You can also wet the throwing coil and add a figure 8 at the end for
more range -if time permits.

Cheers MC

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

More of a technical answer than mine, but I got it right first. :-)

"MC" wrote in message
...

2 coils, say about 20-30' in throwing hand the rest in other hand. Use
an underarm throw with shoulders swinging across the direct of throw (if
you see what I mean) aiming to send the rope up and out at about 45
degrees and as soon at the short coil is flying open the other hand flat
to let coils slip off. The rope must be coiled correctly to prevent
tangles and the coil should be in the direction that the rope is flying
so that the rotation imparted to the coil by the throw causes it to
unwind. (I do not think flaking the line is a good idea as it will
promote tangles more than a flying wide coil).

Cheers

N1EE wrote:


What is the best way to heave a line for
maximum range?

Assumptions:

You are in a hurry, you do not have a line
launcher, messenger line, monkey's fist or
any other weight at the end of the line you
want to throw.

All you have is 100' of 5/8" braided line.


Bart Senior

Heaving a line
 

Tie a huge big frickin knot in one end and use that as a makeshift =
monkey's fist....

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Heaving a line
 

That could also help the person trying to hold on to the rope.

SV

"katysails" wrote in message
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Tie a huge big frickin knot in one end and use that as a makeshift monkey's
fist....

--
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and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Heaving a line
 

Presumably, the other end is already attached to the boat.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
That could also help the person trying to hold on to the rope.

SV

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Tie a huge big frickin knot in one end and use that as a makeshift
monkey's
fist....

--
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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Heaving a line
 

I meant the 'other person' in the water.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Presumably, the other end is already attached to the boat.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
That could also help the person trying to hold on to the rope.

SV

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Tie a huge big frickin knot in one end and use that as a makeshift
monkey's
fist....

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Heaving a line
 

Presumably, the other end is already attached to the boat.

heh...I watched someone throw their anchor overboard once...the rode =
played out...and out...and out....and away......It was funny because it =
was not on my boat.....



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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Heaving a line
 

I meant the 'other person' in the water.

How do you know it wasn't to be thrown at someone on another boat to =
help bring it alonside? Or thrown to someone on a dock because of =
engine failure and the lack of wind? =20

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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Heaving a line
 

Katy is on the right track but a knot isn't,t the way to go. 5/8" is
kind of heavy to be heaving but a pipe wrench or some other handy
weighted object tied to the end will increase distance and accuracy.

I've used a boat fender to send a line across the water way in our
marina. I still used the two separate coils. The fender works well
because it doesn't sink and can be grabbed with a boat hook

Ole Thom

Heaving a line
 

Ah... I guess I was thinking you were throwing it to a person on
the dock or another boat, but I guess that would make some sense
either way.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I meant the 'other person' in the water.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Presumably, the other end is already attached to the boat.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
That could also help the person trying to hold on to the rope.

SV

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Tie a huge big frickin knot in one end and use that as a makeshift
monkey's
fist....

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should
relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Heaving a line
 

It's one of the first things I have students find when the climb aboard
the keel boat... is the road attached to the boat. It isn't because I untie
it before they get there. It's a nice object lesson.

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Presumably, the other end is already attached to the boat.

heh...I watched someone throw their anchor overboard once...the rode played
out...and out...and out....and away......It was funny because it was not on
my boat.....



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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Heaving a line
 

Depends on who's on the dock... I was thinking Nutsy...

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Katy is on the right track but a knot isn't,t the way to go. 5/8" is
kind of heavy to be heaving but a pipe wrench or some other handy
weighted object tied to the end will increase distance and accuracy.

I've used a boat fender to send a line across the water way in our
marina. I still used the two separate coils. The fender works well
because it doesn't sink and can be grabbed with a boat hook

Ole Thom

Heaving a line
 

Ok, ok, I meant the 'other person' to whom you are throwing the line, no
matter where they are.

sheesh

Scotty

"katysails" wrote in message
...
I meant the 'other person' in the water.

How do you know it wasn't to be thrown at someone on another boat to help
bring it alonside? Or thrown to someone on a dock because of engine failure
and the lack of wind?

--
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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Heaving a line
 

Do boaters in Mich. usually 'throw' their anchors overboard?

Scotty

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Presumably, the other end is already attached to the boat.

heh...I watched someone throw their anchor overboard once...the rode played
out...and out...and out....and away......It was funny because it was not on
my boat.....



--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Heaving a line
 

macadam or concrete?

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote ...
... is the road attached to the boat.

Heaving a line
 

Then why bother?

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Depends on who's on the dock... I was thinking Nutsy...

Heaving a line
 

In bob's case, asphalt.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
macadam or concrete?

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote ...
... is the road attached to the boat.

Heaving a line
 

They whip them around their head, then let go of course.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Do boaters in Mich. usually 'throw' their anchors overboard?

Scotty

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Presumably, the other end is already attached to the boat.

heh...I watched someone throw their anchor overboard once...the rode
played
out...and out...and out....and away......It was funny because it was not
on
my boat.....



--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Heaving a line
 

See anchor answer.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Then why bother?

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Depends on who's on the dock... I was thinking Nutsy...

Heaving a line
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In bob's case, assfat.



Correct!


Regards


Donal
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Heaving a line
 

Scott asked: Do boaters in Mich. usually 'throw' their anchors =
overboard?

Bass-holes do.....they just lob them over the side kerplop....
=20

--=20
katysails
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Kirie Elite 32
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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Heaving a line
 

I was going to say a 5# mushroom anchor launched like an olympic hammer
throw would cover 50 to 60 feet quite easily I think.
"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Katy is on the right track but a knot isn't,t the way to go. 5/8" is
kind of heavy to be heaving but a pipe wrench or some other handy
weighted object tied to the end will increase distance and accuracy.

I've used a boat fender to send a line across the water way in our
marina. I still used the two separate coils. The fender works well
because it doesn't sink and can be grabbed with a boat hook

Ole Thom

Heaving a line
 

Good answers.

Here is the method I use to heave a line.

I make two coils and throw both coils underhanded
on my dominant side--heaving them at an angle
of about 45 degrees. I toss the coil with the
bitter end first (dominant hand) and throw second
coil with my other hand a spilt second later.
Both arms swing and release on the same side.

You can experiment to find the right number of
coils to maximize your throw. With a little
practice you will find your accuracy is astounding.

I start with a new coil and split it into two
sections, and then cock each wrist 45 degrees and
hold my wrists loosely touching each other at about
a 90 degree angle, and start swinging.

With you wrists angled like this, swing the two
coils back and forth several times to study the
line while it is swinging to make the motion
smooth--ensuring the coils are neat and free
from fouling.

On the third swing I release the dominant hand,
and when then non-dominant hand when it is fully
extended. If the coils don't look good, I stop,
re-coil the line and try again. It is important
the coils be as neat as possible so they can
unroll smoothly.

I've never measured my best line throwing distance
using this method. However, I've never seen anyone
that can beat me using this technique. Having long
arms give me an edge over most people.

I have seen people practicing this at the docks,
and while make the toss, forgeting to make off the
bitter end--tossing all the line in the harbor,
spending the next 20 minutes with an extended boat
hook trying recover it. grin

There is no need to put a weight or knot on the
end or a need to wetting down the end. Why?
Because with this method you can pitch a line such
that if done on land it will lay full length on the
ground in nearly straight line away from you.

There are four reasons not to put anything at the
bitter end of a heavier line. First, there is the
danger of hitting and injuring your receiver.
Second, it is easier to catch. Third, the line can
immediately be cleated off. And fourth, the line
won't foul as easily, and if it does, it will be
easier to clear any snags.

I tend to overshoot--preferring to throw too long
rather than short. I have to remember not to show
off and toss it too far--which I've been known to do.
Finally, if heaving a line to another boat, it is
wise to ask them to switch to neutral gear.

The one good reason for using a weight on the end
is for distance, on a messenger line. A messenger
line is very light with negligable mass; it can't be
thrown unless there is a weight on the end. A good
example: mono-filament fishing line with baseball
sized sandbag or a small monkeys fist around a heavy
core. A sandbag might be better than a monkey's fist,
because it is easier to catch, less prone to cause
injury to people or the boat. I can't say which would
be better without experimenting. Has anyone tried
both types of weights?

The messenger, whether it is mono-filament or simply
a lightweight line, is, as everyone knows, tied to
heavier line, and must be strong enough to haul the
heavier line across the distance without breaking.

Bart Senior

MC wrote

You can also wet the throwing coil and add a figure 8 at the end for
more range -if time permits.

Cheers MC

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

More of a technical answer than mine, but I got it right first. :-)

"MC" wrote

2 coils, say about 20-30' in throwing hand the rest in other hand. Use
an underarm throw with shoulders swinging across the direct of throw (if
you see what I mean) aiming to send the rope up and out at about 45
degrees and as soon at the short coil is flying open the other hand flat
to let coils slip off. The rope must be coiled correctly to prevent
tangles and the coil should be in the direction that the rope is flying
so that the rotation imparted to the coil by the throw causes it to
unwind. (I do not think flaking the line is a good idea as it will
promote tangles more than a flying wide coil).

Cheers

N1EE wrote:


What is the best way to heave a line for
maximum range?

Assumptions:

You are in a hurry, you do not have a line
launcher, messenger line, monkey's fist or
any other weight at the end of the line you
want to throw.

All you have is 100' of 5/8" braided line.


Bart Senior

Heaving a line
 

Is 40' a throw too far?

Cheers

N1EE wrote:

Good answers.

Here is the method I use to heave a line.

I make two coils and throw both coils underhanded
on my dominant side--heaving them at an angle
of about 45 degrees. I toss the coil with the
bitter end first (dominant hand) and throw second
coil with my other hand a spilt second later.
Both arms swing and release on the same side.

You can experiment to find the right number of
coils to maximize your throw. With a little
practice you will find your accuracy is astounding.

I start with a new coil and split it into two
sections, and then cock each wrist 45 degrees and
hold my wrists loosely touching each other at about
a 90 degree angle, and start swinging.

With you wrists angled like this, swing the two
coils back and forth several times to study the
line while it is swinging to make the motion
smooth--ensuring the coils are neat and free
from fouling.

On the third swing I release the dominant hand,
and when then non-dominant hand when it is fully
extended. If the coils don't look good, I stop,
re-coil the line and try again. It is important
the coils be as neat as possible so they can
unroll smoothly.

I've never measured my best line throwing distance
using this method. However, I've never seen anyone
that can beat me using this technique. Having long
arms give me an edge over most people.

I have seen people practicing this at the docks,
and while make the toss, forgeting to make off the
bitter end--tossing all the line in the harbor,
spending the next 20 minutes with an extended boat
hook trying recover it. grin

There is no need to put a weight or knot on the
end or a need to wetting down the end. Why?
Because with this method you can pitch a line such
that if done on land it will lay full length on the
ground in nearly straight line away from you.

There are four reasons not to put anything at the
bitter end of a heavier line. First, there is the
danger of hitting and injuring your receiver.
Second, it is easier to catch. Third, the line can
immediately be cleated off. And fourth, the line
won't foul as easily, and if it does, it will be
easier to clear any snags.

I tend to overshoot--preferring to throw too long
rather than short. I have to remember not to show
off and toss it too far--which I've been known to do.
Finally, if heaving a line to another boat, it is
wise to ask them to switch to neutral gear.

The one good reason for using a weight on the end
is for distance, on a messenger line. A messenger
line is very light with negligable mass; it can't be
thrown unless there is a weight on the end. A good
example: mono-filament fishing line with baseball
sized sandbag or a small monkeys fist around a heavy
core. A sandbag might be better than a monkey's fist,
because it is easier to catch, less prone to cause
injury to people or the boat. I can't say which would
be better without experimenting. Has anyone tried
both types of weights?

The messenger, whether it is mono-filament or simply
a lightweight line, is, as everyone knows, tied to
heavier line, and must be strong enough to haul the
heavier line across the distance without breaking.

Bart Senior

MC wrote


You can also wet the throwing coil and add a figure 8 at the end for
more range -if time permits.

Cheers MC

Jonathan Ganz wrote:


More of a technical answer than mine, but I got it right first. :-)

"MC" wrote


2 coils, say about 20-30' in throwing hand the rest in other hand. Use
an underarm throw with shoulders swinging across the direct of throw (if
you see what I mean) aiming to send the rope up and out at about 45
degrees and as soon at the short coil is flying open the other hand flat
to let coils slip off. The rope must be coiled correctly to prevent
tangles and the coil should be in the direction that the rope is flying
so that the rotation imparted to the coil by the throw causes it to
unwind. (I do not think flaking the line is a good idea as it will
promote tangles more than a flying wide coil).

Cheers

N1EE wrote:



What is the best way to heave a line for
maximum range?

Assumptions:

You are in a hurry, you do not have a line
launcher, messenger line, monkey's fist or
any other weight at the end of the line you
want to throw.

All you have is 100' of 5/8" braided line.


Bart Senior

Heaving a line
 

If you are throwing to a person, then aim for directly over their
heads. They will raise their arms to protect themselves, and then
will find it easy to snag the rope and catch it. DO NOT try to throw
it to them like you might a ball, for instance, with the end landing
right in front of them or at their hand.

Lonny

DSK wrote in message ...
N1EE wrote:

What is the best way to heave a line for
maximum range?

With a shot line & messenger.



Assumptions:

You are in a hurry, you do not have a line
launcher, messenger line, monkey's fist or
any other weight at the end of the line you
want to throw.

All you have is 100' of 5/8" braided line.

hmmm... 100'?? I'll tip my hat to anybody who can throw a line more
than about 40'

The best way to throw a line is to flake about ten feet into your
throwing hand, running part up, and hold a flaked run in your other
hand, and give an exaggerated overhand throw like an old-time
grenadier. If you've got room to take two steps into the throw, that
adds some momentum as well. The biggest problem is that the line
usually tangles long before it gets to effective range, so it pays to
be extra careful flaking it out for the throw. The next biggest
problem is that the thrown line has to carry the weight of all the
line going with it, so that's why you put a length in your free hand
to pay it out easier.

Personally, I much prefer to never throw lines. Unless the crew is
drilled at this, they always fall short and then you've got a worse
problem. The exception would be taking another boat in tow in an
emergency, with a heavy sea running so that coming close alongside
would be asking for damage, or pulling a person out of the water.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King