A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches. A friend suggested
gelcoat leaks leading to water saturated fiberglass - another suggested that
even if the front of the boat was waterlogged , the extra weight of whatever
the front hull could hold would not be enough to bring the whole boat down
in front .
Any other Pearson owners out there with knowledge of this ? I don't think
I have enough in front to do this; I did add a roller fuller and a slightly
oversized anchor (kept on the pulpit) but I doubt this was enough ..

Any way to get a reading on the hull for "waterloggedness" ?

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

Well, if it were my boat I would have it hauled and have a look-see below
the waterline. If nothing is obvious then drop it back in the water, if so
then block it. This is done quite often when some tightwads, inexperienced
individuals, or risk-takers want to buy a boat without paying for a survey.

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

the extra weight of whatever
the front hull could hold would not be enough to bring the whole boat down
in front .


Your friend is right. Even with bow water tank full and a ton of stuff up front
in the Vee, my P30 still sat on her lines pretty well.
Maybe someone here has an idea?

RB

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

Your friend is right. Even with bow water tank full and a ton of Me up
front
in the Vee, my P30 still sat on her lines pretty well..
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

A "ton of stuff"? I think not.

A Pearson 30 will go down one inch for a load of 851 pounds. If this load were
concentrated in the bow, one might guess it would be down two inches, or perhaps
more. Thus, a "ton of stuff" would very likely bring it down a considerable
amount.

800 pounds is a lot - 12 cubic feet of water, or 100 gallons. Or 800 feet of
anchor chain. Its hard to believe that some wet glass could absorb this much.
However, its also possible that a lot of weight removed from the stern could
cause the same change. Was it re-powered with a lighter engine? Is the fuel
tank full? Batteries removed? Is the waterline original, or was it re-drawn
assuming a dinghy in davits?

And, of course, its likely a combination of various factors.

-jeff


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
the extra weight of whatever
the front hull could hold would not be enough to bring the whole boat down
in front .


Your friend is right. Even with bow water tank full and a ton of stuff up
front
in the Vee, my P30 still sat on her lines pretty well.
Maybe someone here has an idea?

RB

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

Thanks to you (and all) for your ideas ...
To answer your questions; no, nothing obvious removed from aft ...same
engine, full tank, same batteries ..(well, that's not quite true; same
number; new ones are a bit smaller and lighter ...)
I bought the boat in the summer of '01. I had a survey done....I recall
noting it seemed down in the front when I launched the second summer ...but
to tell you the truth , I could not swear about where the water line was in
the front of the boat during the first season I had her ...it was all too
new (my first real boat; prior was a MacGregor 22)... But,to be sure , the
water line is far above her stripe now...
and she looks odd in the water...
She's in a yard for the winter...I recall now the survey was done with a
simple water saturation meter and perhaps I can get a hold of one. Folks in
the yard are saying much as you are ; play with weight in the back of the
boat prior to barrier coating the hull ...
Again, many thanks for your figures.



"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
A "ton of stuff"? I think not.

A Pearson 30 will go down one inch for a load of 851 pounds. If this
load were
concentrated in the bow, one might guess it would be down two inches, or
perhaps
more. Thus, a "ton of stuff" would very likely bring it down a
considerable
amount.

800 pounds is a lot - 12 cubic feet of water, or 100 gallons. Or 800 feet
of
anchor chain. Its hard to believe that some wet glass could absorb this
much.
However, its also possible that a lot of weight removed from the stern
could
cause the same change. Was it re-powered with a lighter engine? Is the
fuel
tank full? Batteries removed? Is the waterline original, or was it
re-drawn
assuming a dinghy in davits?

And, of course, its likely a combination of various factors.

-jeff


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
the extra weight of whatever
the front hull could hold would not be enough to bring the whole boat
down
in front .


Your friend is right. Even with bow water tank full and a ton of stuff
up
front
in the Vee, my P30 still sat on her lines pretty well.
Maybe someone here has an idea?

RB

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

"J Bard" wrote in message ink.net...
Thanks to you (and all) for your ideas ...
To answer your questions; no, nothing obvious removed from aft ...same
engine, full tank, same batteries ..(well, that's not quite true; same
number; new ones are a bit smaller and lighter ...)
I bought the boat in the summer of '01. I had a survey done....I recall
noting it seemed down in the front when I launched the second summer ...but
to tell you the truth , I could not swear about where the water line was in
the front of the boat during the first season I had her ...it was all too
new (my first real boat; prior was a MacGregor 22)... But,to be sure , the
water line is far above her stripe now...
and she looks odd in the water...
She's in a yard for the winter...I recall now the survey was done with a
simple water saturation meter and perhaps I can get a hold of one. Folks in
the yard are saying much as you are ; play with weight in the back of the
boat prior to barrier coating the hull ...
Again, many thanks for your figures.



"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
A "ton of stuff"? I think not.

A Pearson 30 will go down one inch for a load of 851 pounds. If this
load were
concentrated in the bow, one might guess it would be down two inches, or
perhaps
more. Thus, a "ton of stuff" would very likely bring it down a
considerable
amount.

800 pounds is a lot - 12 cubic feet of water, or 100 gallons. Or 800 feet
of
anchor chain. Its hard to believe that some wet glass could absorb this
much.
However, its also possible that a lot of weight removed from the stern
could
cause the same change. Was it re-powered with a lighter engine? Is the
fuel
tank full? Batteries removed? Is the waterline original, or was it
re-drawn
assuming a dinghy in davits?

And, of course, its likely a combination of various factors.

-jeff


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
the extra weight of whatever
the front hull could hold would not be enough to bring the whole boat
down
in front .


Your friend is right. Even with bow water tank full and a ton of stuff
up
front
in the Vee, my P30 still sat on her lines pretty well.
Maybe someone here has an idea?

RB



My 28' S2, completely empty, seems just a little down below her lines
at the bow. She has been that way for years. I have the mast down
again because of a mast step problem so I have to check to see if
fixing that somehow affects where she floats (cannot imagine how, even
with a 45' mast, its not that much torque). A saturated hull would
have no effect on where she sits (basic physics). A mystery to me.

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

"J Bard" wrote in message ink.net...

My next slip neighbor has a P 40 and is fixing to cruise the world
leaving here in about a week. He has the same problem. But he added a
anchor pulpit and 2 heavy anchors on the bow, chain, ect. Seem just
150 + pounds sticking out forward the deck was enough to do it. He's
putting on a monitor wind vien and a windmill gen this week and hope
that will level him out.

The Pearsons are such nimble boats it's suprising how little weight
can affect it's water line. I'm suprised Bobbys P-30 did not capsize
when he stepped aboard.

Joe
MSV RedCloud




A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches. A friend suggested
gelcoat leaks leading to water saturated fiberglass - another suggested that
even if the front of the boat was waterlogged , the extra weight of whatever
the front hull could hold would not be enough to bring the whole boat down
in front .
Any other Pearson owners out there with knowledge of this ? I don't think
I have enough in front to do this; I did add a roller fuller and a slightly
oversized anchor (kept on the pulpit) but I doubt this was enough ..

Any way to get a reading on the hull for "waterloggedness" ?

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

For a 40' boat adding 150 pounds at the bow is going to make sailing to
windward in a sea very slower and harder. I suggest he should have his
second anchor ready to deploy near the _stern_.

Cheers MC

Joe wrote:

"J Bard" wrote in message ink.net...

My next slip neighbor has a P 40 and is fixing to cruise the world
leaving here in about a week. He has the same problem. But he added a
anchor pulpit and 2 heavy anchors on the bow, chain, ect. Seem just
150 + pounds sticking out forward the deck was enough to do it. He's
putting on a monitor wind vien and a windmill gen this week and hope
that will level him out.

The Pearsons are such nimble boats it's suprising how little weight
can affect it's water line. I'm suprised Bobbys P-30 did not capsize
when he stepped aboard.

Joe
MSV RedCloud





A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches. A friend suggested
gelcoat leaks leading to water saturated fiberglass - another suggested that
even if the front of the boat was waterlogged , the extra weight of whatever
the front hull could hold would not be enough to bring the whole boat down
in front .
Any other Pearson owners out there with knowledge of this ? I don't think
I have enough in front to do this; I did add a roller fuller and a slightly
oversized anchor (kept on the pulpit) but I doubt this was enough ..

Any way to get a reading on the hull for "waterloggedness" ?

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

Especially if it has a diesel.

SV

"MC" wrote...
I suggest he should have his
second anchor ready to deploy near the _stern_.

Cheers MC

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

I read that with interest, MC and I'm surpirsed and happy to hear it;
could you expand on that please ? 150 lbls could have that much an effect
?

"MC" wrote in message
...
For a 40' boat adding 150 pounds at the bow is going to make sailing to
windward in a sea very slower and harder. I suggest he should have his
second anchor ready to deploy near the _stern_.

Cheers MC

Joe wrote:

"J Bard" wrote in message
ink.net...

My next slip neighbor has a P 40 and is fixing to cruise the world
leaving here in about a week. He has the same problem. But he added a
anchor pulpit and 2 heavy anchors on the bow, chain, ect. Seem just
150 + pounds sticking out forward the deck was enough to do it. He's
putting on a monitor wind vien and a windmill gen this week and hope
that will level him out.

The Pearsons are such nimble boats it's suprising how little weight
can affect it's water line. I'm suprised Bobbys P-30 did not capsize
when he stepped aboard.

Joe
MSV RedCloud





A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches. A friend suggested
gelcoat leaks leading to water saturated fiberglass - another suggested
that
even if the front of the boat was waterlogged , the extra weight of
whatever
the front hull could hold would not be enough to bring the whole boat
down
in front .
Any other Pearson owners out there with knowledge of this ? I don't
think
I have enough in front to do this; I did add a roller fuller and a
slightly
oversized anchor (kept on the pulpit) but I doubt this was enough ..

Any way to get a reading on the hull for "waterloggedness" ?

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

Adding weight at the ends of a boat loses windward power especially. In
general, when going to windward the boat rises and falls faster and more
often and each time the weight is lifted, an equivalent amount of energy
is lost from forward drive. Energy is also lost as the bows bury deeper
due to the extra momentum driving the bow down as she falls. Large
weights (e.g. the weight of a person on a 40' boat) at the bow and stern
promote "hobby horsing" (where the pitching is extreme compared to
forward progress). For that reason, all performance boats store their
heavy gear as near the CG as possible. One of the goals of fast boat
design is to minimise energy loss associated with pitching and this idea
was the basis of the reverse transom -which help reduce mass associated
with at a broad (fast) stern.

I suggest a single anchor at the bow and if another is needed, hang it
near the stern. There it will be most useful for fore and aft anchoring
or kedging off primary winches as well as being within easy reach of the
'safe' cockpit crew. A spare should be kept below away from the ends.

Cheers MC

J Bard wrote:

I read that with interest, MC and I'm surpirsed and happy to hear it;
could you expand on that please ? 150 lbls could have that much an effect
?

"MC" wrote in message
...

For a 40' boat adding 150 pounds at the bow is going to make sailing to
windward in a sea very slower and harder. I suggest he should have his
second anchor ready to deploy near the _stern_.

Cheers MC

Joe wrote:


"J Bard" wrote in message

ink.net...

My next slip neighbor has a P 40 and is fixing to cruise the world
leaving here in about a week. He has the same problem. But he added a
anchor pulpit and 2 heavy anchors on the bow, chain, ect. Seem just
150 + pounds sticking out forward the deck was enough to do it. He's
putting on a monitor wind vien and a windmill gen this week and hope
that will level him out.

The Pearsons are such nimble boats it's suprising how little weight
can affect it's water line. I'm suprised Bobbys P-30 did not capsize
when he stepped aboard.

Joe
MSV RedCloud






A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches. A friend suggested
gelcoat leaks leading to water saturated fiberglass - another suggested

that

even if the front of the boat was waterlogged , the extra weight of

whatever

the front hull could hold would not be enough to bring the whole boat

down

in front .
Any other Pearson owners out there with knowledge of this ? I don't

think

I have enough in front to do this; I did add a roller fuller and a

slightly

oversized anchor (kept on the pulpit) but I doubt this was enough ..

Any way to get a reading on the hull for "waterloggedness" ?

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
Especially if it has a diesel.

You lost me here Scotty, please explain.

Joe


SV

"MC" wrote...
I suggest he should have his
second anchor ready to deploy near the _stern_.

Cheers MC

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

Jax used to claim that diesels were so unreliable , owners needed to keep an
emergency anchor at arms reach of the helm.

SV

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Especially if it has a diesel.

You lost me here Scotty, please explain.

Joe


SV

"MC" wrote...
I suggest he should have his
second anchor ready to deploy near the _stern_.

Cheers MC

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

Jax has a Seidelmann? Are you sure?


Jax has/had an Irwin 32, which is a bit better...quite a bit better. Same as
the Endeavour 32.

RB

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

I dunno. Neal used to work at Irwin, and says he used to put the keels
on crooked. That's how he ended up reading meters for a living.

Well, I've seen at least a few Irwins that were okay, so Neal didn't put ALL of
the keels on.

RB

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
Jax used to claim that diesels were so unreliable , owners needed to keep an
emergency anchor at arms reach of the helm.

Oh Ok, Jax is a weak heart mensa idiot who could not handle ASA stress.

Joe


SV

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Especially if it has a diesel.

You lost me here Scotty, please explain.

Joe


SV

"MC" wrote...
I suggest he should have his
second anchor ready to deploy near the _stern_.

Cheers MC

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

better than?


Your boat. Fill in Mac26X, Hunter, Coronado, Bayliner and Irwin.

RB

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

So you *do* remember him.

"Joe" wrote ...
"

Oh Ok, Jax is a weak heart mensa idiot who could not handle ASA stress.

Joe

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

better than?

"Bobsprit" wrote


Jax has/had an Irwin 32, which is a bit better...quite a bit better. Same
as
the Endeavour 32.

RB

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

better how?


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
better than?


Your boat. Fill in Mac26X, Hunter, Coronado, Bayliner and Irwin.

RB

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

Got it. Makes sense; I kept a larger anchor forward due to a bad back, but
it's used rarely enough ....and it did go on the second year I had the
Pearson ; hard to know if it caused the bow beng down but it must have added
to the issue ; 'll try moving this around come spring . Many thanks - -


"MC" wrote in message
...
Adding weight at the ends of a boat loses windward power especially. In
general, when going to windward the boat rises and falls faster and more
often and each time the weight is lifted, an equivalent amount of energy
is lost from forward drive. Energy is also lost as the bows bury deeper
due to the extra momentum driving the bow down as she falls. Large
weights (e.g. the weight of a person on a 40' boat) at the bow and stern
promote "hobby horsing" (where the pitching is extreme compared to
forward progress). For that reason, all performance boats store their
heavy gear as near the CG as possible. One of the goals of fast boat
design is to minimise energy loss associated with pitching and this idea
was the basis of the reverse transom -which help reduce mass associated
with at a broad (fast) stern.

I suggest a single anchor at the bow and if another is needed, hang it
near the stern. There it will be most useful for fore and aft anchoring
or kedging off primary winches as well as being within easy reach of the
'safe' cockpit crew. A spare should be kept below away from the ends.

Cheers MC

J Bard wrote:

I read that with interest, MC and I'm surpirsed and happy to hear it;
could you expand on that please ? 150 lbls could have that much an
effect
?

"MC" wrote in message
...

For a 40' boat adding 150 pounds at the bow is going to make sailing to
windward in a sea very slower and harder. I suggest he should have his
second anchor ready to deploy near the _stern_.

Cheers MC

Joe wrote:


"J Bard" wrote in message

ink.net...

My next slip neighbor has a P 40 and is fixing to cruise the world
leaving here in about a week. He has the same problem. But he added a
anchor pulpit and 2 heavy anchors on the bow, chain, ect. Seem just
150 + pounds sticking out forward the deck was enough to do it. He's
putting on a monitor wind vien and a windmill gen this week and hope
that will level him out.

The Pearsons are such nimble boats it's suprising how little weight
can affect it's water line. I'm suprised Bobbys P-30 did not capsize
when he stepped aboard.

Joe
MSV RedCloud






A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches. A friend
suggested
gelcoat leaks leading to water saturated fiberglass - another
suggested

that

even if the front of the boat was waterlogged , the extra weight of

whatever

the front hull could hold would not be enough to bring the whole boat

down

in front .
Any other Pearson owners out there with knowledge of this ? I don't

think

I have enough in front to do this; I did add a roller fuller and a

slightly

oversized anchor (kept on the pulpit) but I doubt this was enough ..

Any way to get a reading on the hull for "waterloggedness" ?

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

better how?

Fill in Mac26X, Hunter, Coronado, Bayliner and Irwin.


The Hunter, Coronado and Irwin are all built better and will probably sail
better. The Mac26X is worth far more, enough to buy a good boat with change to
spare. The Siedleman may be on par with a Bayliner Bucaneer. On the other hand
the Bucaneer build quality was at least stable for what it was, while your
builder pushed more lemons than the Country Time factory.

RB

RB

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

The fat blob of jealousy rears it's ugly head once again and cries....

..


The Hunter, Coronado and Irwin are all built better and will probably sail
better. The Mac26X is worth far more, enough to buy a good boat with
change to
spare. The Siedleman may be on par with a Bayliner Bucaneer. On the other
hand
the Bucaneer build quality was at least stable for what it was, while your
builder pushed more lemons than the Country Time factory.

RB

RB

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

Scott Vernon wrote:

The fat blob of jealousy rears it's ugly head once again and cries....


You forgot ignorance about boats, remember this is the guy that asked about
a "Chrome Anchor", or more recently didn't realize that using turnbuckles on
a vessel might involve the use of cotter pins, don't forget he didn't know the
difference between VHF and Marine SSB sets, or the proper procedure for using the
former, the list goes on ad nauseum.

Cheers
Marty

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

The fat blob of jealousy rears it's ugly head once again and cries....

Calm your wife down for once!


RB

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

You forgot ignorance about boats, remember this is the guy that asked about
a "Chrome Anchor", or more recently didn't realize that using turnbuckles on
a vessel might involve the use of cotter pins, don't forget he didn't know the
difference between VHF and Marine SSB sets, or the proper procedure for using
the
former, the list goes on ad nauseum.


Wow, Marty...thats a lot of lying! Congrats!


RB

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

So you deny wanting a chrome anchor???

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
You forgot ignorance about boats, remember this is the guy that asked
about
a "Chrome Anchor", or more recently didn't realize that using turnbuckles
on
a vessel might involve the use of cotter pins, don't forget he didn't know
the
difference between VHF and Marine SSB sets, or the proper procedure for
using
the
former, the list goes on ad nauseum.


Wow, Marty...thats a lot of lying! Congrats!


RB

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

Oh my...

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:36:49 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote:

So you deny wanting a chrome anchor???


Why would he want one? He's already GOT one.

BB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
You forgot ignorance about boats, remember this is the guy that asked
about
a "Chrome Anchor", or more recently didn't realize that using
turnbuckles
on
a vessel might involve the use of cotter pins, don't forget he didn't
know
the
difference between VHF and Marine SSB sets, or the proper procedure for
using
the
former, the list goes on ad nauseum.


Wow, Marty...thats a lot of lying! Congrats!


RB

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

So you deny wanting a chrome anchor???

Yup. I meant stainless steel.

RB

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

Why would he want one? He's already GOT one.


It was on special.

RB

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

Yup. I meant stainless steel.

Liar, You thought it was chrome. Admit it, or I will shackle and thimble
a re-post of your words.....


Even Neal knew what I meant. You didn't. No surprise.

RB

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

Takes one to know one?

"Bob****" bob****@BIG FAT LIAR.com wrote ...
Yup. I meant stainless steel.

Liar, You thought it was chrome. Admit it, or I will shackle and thimble
a re-post of your words.....


Even Neal knew what I meant. You didn't. No surprise.

RB

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

The pictures of him in his underware is indelibly burned into my brain.
It's why I drink.


Scott Vernon wrote:
So you *do* remember him.

"Joe" wrote ...
"

Oh Ok, Jax is a weak heart mensa idiot who could not handle ASA
stress.

Joe

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Yup. I meant stainless steel.

Liar, You thought it was chrome. Admit it, or I will shackle and thimble
a re-post of your words.....


Even Neal knew what I meant. You didn't. No surprise.

Honestly! We could all invoke Neal as our expert witness - now that he has
left us.


Try to prove your own point - .... on your own!


Admit it, you know so little about sailing that you really believed that a
chromed anchor was a good thing.


Regards


Donal
--

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

Admit it, you know so little about sailing that you really believed that a
chromed anchor was a good thing.


A chromed anchor would be a good thing, which is why they make shiny SS ones.

You hung yourself AGAIN, donal!

RB

A 1972 Pearson 30' who's bow is down about 2 inches...
 

"Bob****" bob****@BIG FAT ASSHOLE LIAR.com wrote


A chromed anchor would be a good thing,

around your neck.