Donal said something like any sail boat over 18 foot is a yacht. And
if you sail a boat over 18 foot you can call yourself a Yachtie.

I thought yacht has nothing to do with power or sail.

I always thought of a yacht as something in the 100 footer range owned
by someone like Mr. Thrump, with a similar attitude. Something only
the super rich have as a plush toy complete with crew.

Has Donal cheapened the meaning, or was my vision to lofty.

And when does a boat become a ship? And could that have somethig to do
with defining a yacht?

Joe
MSV RedCloud

Your vision was too lofty. Even your rusty old hulk can
be called a yacht. It has more to do with recreation than
the configuration of the vessel. A yacht is a vessel used
for pleasure sailing as opposed to any commercial activity.

A ship can be large or small. A ship is a broader definition
of a vessel than a yacht.

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S.Simon - posting from the comfort of his yacht.


"Joe" wrote in message om...
Donal said something like any sail boat over 18 foot is a yacht. And
if you sail a boat over 18 foot you can call yourself a Yachtie.

I thought yacht has nothing to do with power or sail.

I always thought of a yacht as something in the 100 footer range owned
by someone like Mr. Thrump, with a similar attitude. Something only
the super rich have as a plush toy complete with crew.

Has Donal cheapened the meaning, or was my vision to lofty.

And when does a boat become a ship? And could that have somethig to do
with defining a yacht?

Joe
MSV RedCloud

"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
Your vision was too lofty. Even your rusty old hulk can
be called a yacht. It has more to do with recreation than
the configuration of the vessel. A yacht is a vessel used
for pleasure sailing as opposed to any commercial activity.

So I can take an old beat up work boat and use it for pleasure and
call it a yacht. Yeah that make sence.


A ship can be large or small. A ship is a broader definition
of a vessel than a yacht.

I always heard a boat is a boat until it can not be carried by a ship.



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ship
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yacht workboat
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motor sail commercial public


S.Simon - posting from the comfort of his yacht.


"Joe" wrote in message om...
Donal said something like any sail boat over 18 foot is a yacht. And
if you sail a boat over 18 foot you can call yourself a Yachtie.

I thought yacht has nothing to do with power or sail.

I always thought of a yacht as something in the 100 footer range owned
by someone like Mr. Thrump, with a similar attitude. Something only
the super rich have as a plush toy complete with crew.

Has Donal cheapened the meaning, or was my vision to lofty.

And when does a boat become a ship? And could that have somethig to do
with defining a yacht?

Joe
MSV RedCloud

RickyTickyTugs does just that. He took an old
tugboat painted the wood and polished the brass
and uses it as a yacht and I bet the fool even calls
it a yacht. So the answer to your question is, "Yes!".

S.Simon



"Joe" wrote in message m...
So I can take an old beat up work boat and use it for pleasure and
call it a yacht. Yeah that make sence.

Simple Simon wrote:

RickyTickyTugs does just that. He took an old
tugboat painted the wood and polished the brass
and uses it as a yacht and I bet the fool even calls
it a yacht. So the answer to your question is, "Yes!".

Yep. It is a tugboat converted from commercial use to pleasure and
finished to what the industry refers to as "yacht standards" of finish
and fixtures. It is a yacht as opposed to a working vessel of any other
class.

There are many examples of former tugs, patrol vessels, minesweepers,
and coastal freighters converted to yacht use. The current crop of
"trawler yachts" are imitations of these conversions.

I call my boat a tug because that is the original design and
construction and it faithfully retains the original lines and
appearance. It is, however, a yacht in function and interior finish.

You do not have a yacht as trailer boats and mass produced plastic
consumer grade toys such as yours do not meet any of the standards
considered when describing a yacht.

Sorry Nil, once again you are out of your depth. You are not a sailor, a
seafarer, a yacht owner, or a reliable source of nautical information.
Your exposure to nautical matters is limited to the scope of your swamp
mooring and it shows when you attempt to post information about subjects
so far beyond your seriously limited experience. It is increasingly and
daily more obvious that you are indeed nothing more than a wannabe with
a broken trailer boat.

Rick

"Rick" wrote in message ink.net...
snipped some boring stuff
I call my boat a tug because that is the original design and
construction and it faithfully retains the original lines and
appearance. It is, however, a yacht in function and interior finish.

Glad you agree with me that a yacht is a pleasure boat
as opposed to a work boat.

You do not have a yacht as trailer boats and mass produced plastic
consumer grade toys such as yours do not meet any of the standards
considered when describing a yacht.

My blue water, modified, cruising Coronado 27
meets or exceeds all yacht definition expectations
on a daily basis. Construction materials do not and
never have defined what constitutes a yacht. It is
a definition based solely on parameters of pleasure
use. I maintain I derive more pleasure using my
yacht day in and day out than you perform your
weekly maintenance chores there at the dock.

You seem to have forgotten that the definition of
a yacht is based on USE. When used as a pleasure
boat a vessel can be called a yacht. Use means
actually getting out on the water and going places.
A vessel that just sits at a dock and is constantly
spit-shined is a pretend yacht for it is not even
being used as a boat - only a show piece. (Some
would say eyesore!)

Sorry Nil, once again you are out of your depth. You are not a sailor, a
seafarer, a yacht owner, or a reliable source of nautical information.
Your exposure to nautical matters is limited to the scope of your swamp
mooring and it shows when you attempt to post information about subjects
so far beyond your seriously limited experience. It is increasingly and
daily more obvious that you are indeed nothing more than a wannabe with
a broken trailer boat.

Good luck. I can take my yacht right now and
commence a voyage around the world and stand
a very great chance of success. Can you say the
same? Geez! You probably can't even afford the
necessary fuel let alone get a passport. You've
probably never even been out of sight of land.
PUTZ!

S.Simon

Rick wrote in message news:X0nHb.8326

Yep. It is a tugboat converted from commercial use to pleasure and
finished to what the industry refers to as "yacht standards" of finish
and fixtures. It is a yacht as opposed to a working vessel of any other
class.


Have any pictures online? Like to see this "yacht standards" stuff.

Joe
The Mega Yacht RedCloud ......compared to a crapanodo

Capt KC O'Dunn Here, I work on Yachts and Work Boats and I agree that one
can stretch the idea of yacht-dom BUT while there are some pleasure boats
that are considered yachts by their owners... a true yacht tells its station
when she stands into harbor. You can call anything by any name but if you
come along side a true yacht with a lesser vessel the whole issue becomes
obvious. I have a small fleet of boats and tenders but my sailboat is a
1968 cal 34. It sails sweetly and can take a lot of weather but there is no
way that my Cal34 is a yacht, even in her day she was no yacht. She is
Spartan and no true yachtsman would be able to handle the raw nature of the
hull or the tiller or the beating ya take when you're urging her through a
squall. I think the biggest difference is in the sailors, in my experience
a yachtsman is a pussy who has more money than sense and a lack of interest
in fundamentals, he knows he can buy his way out of most crap.




"Joe" wrote in message
m...
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
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Your vision was too lofty. Even your rusty old hulk can
be called a yacht. It has more to do with recreation than
the configuration of the vessel. A yacht is a vessel used
for pleasure sailing as opposed to any commercial activity.

So I can take an old beat up work boat and use it for pleasure and
call it a yacht. Yeah that make sence.


A ship can be large or small. A ship is a broader definition
of a vessel than a yacht.

I always heard a boat is a boat until it can not be carried by a ship.



vessel
|
ship
| |
yacht workboat
| | | |
motor sail commercial public


S.Simon - posting from the comfort of his yacht.


"Joe" wrote in message
om...
Donal said something like any sail boat over 18 foot is a yacht. And
if you sail a boat over 18 foot you can call yourself a Yachtie.

I thought yacht has nothing to do with power or sail.

I always thought of a yacht as something in the 100 footer range owned
by someone like Mr. Thrump, with a similar attitude. Something only
the super rich have as a plush toy complete with crew.

Has Donal cheapened the meaning, or was my vision to lofty.

And when does a boat become a ship? And could that have somethig to do
with defining a yacht?

Joe
MSV RedCloud

A yacht has to have a yacht finish,
or it's not a yacht--it's a boat.

I'd split the tree like this.

Bart


"Simple Simon" wrote

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S.Simon - posting from the comfort of his yacht.

On 27 Dec 2003 07:32:53 -0800, (Joe) wrote
this crap:

Donal said something like any sail boat over 18 foot is a yacht. And
if you sail a boat over 18 foot you can call yourself a Yachtie.

I thought yacht has nothing to do with power or sail.

I always thought of a yacht as something in the 100 footer range owned
by someone like Mr. Thrump, with a similar attitude. Something only
the super rich have as a plush toy complete with crew.

Has Donal cheapened the meaning, or was my vision to lofty.

And when does a boat become a ship? And could that have somethig to do
with defining a yacht?

Do a little work, dumbass. Look up the word in a dictionary.




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