Sorry Donal, its not worth takling to someone who will just take comments out of
context.

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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Sorry Donal, its not worth takling to someone who will just take comments
out of
context.

Jeff,

Did I lie?


Regards


Donal
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Do you have to ask?

"Donal" wrote in message
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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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Sorry Donal, its not worth takling to someone who will just take
comments
out of
context.

Jeff,

Did I lie?


Regards


Donal
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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Sorry Donal, its not worth takling to someone who will just take
comments
out of
context.

Jeff,

Did I lie?


Do you have to ask?


Not really.

I'm surprised by Jeff's behaviour, and I'd like to try and understand what
his view *really* is.


I cannot figure out how he can think that I was pretending to be a Practical
Yachmaster. He replied to me on Xmas Eve, which proves that he read my
claim that "I only have the shorebased" version.

Regards

Donal
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"Donal" wrote in message
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I'm surprised by Jeff's behaviour, and I'd like to try and understand what
his view *really* is.


I don't think I stated an opinion one way or another about whether you had a YM.
I didn't know for sure what you actually have, not do I care.

Frankly, I wasn't sure John was specifically addressing that when he suggested
you were a faker. The bottom line is that you suggested you had taken a certain
test but described it so badly it seemed clear to everyone you never had. when
pressed you said:

"It's 13-14 years since I did the course, so I'm cannot give you the specifics
of what is required."

From this I assumed you where claiming to have taken the "blind navigation"
test, but your poor description showed that you hadn't. I'm guessing John made
the same assumption, but possibly also assumed that since this is part of the
YM, you were claiming to have that also.

Now you're claiming (I think, you still a bit vague) that you never really took
the test, you were only practicing it with friends. While you may not have lied
about your YM (something I never claimed), you're still a Putz!




I cannot figure out how he can think that I was pretending to be a Practical
Yachmaster. He replied to me on Xmas Eve, which proves that he read my
claim that "I only have the shorebased" version.


No, I never cared enough to be concerned about it. This is all your stupid
fantasy.

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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I'm surprised by Jeff's behaviour, and I'd like to try and understand
what
his view *really* is.


I don't think I stated an opinion one way or another about whether you had
a YM.
I didn't know for sure what you actually have, not do I care.

Frankly, I wasn't sure John was specifically addressing that when he
suggested
you were a faker. The bottom line is that you suggested you had taken a
certain
test but described it so badly it seemed clear to everyone you never had.
when
pressed you said:

"It's 13-14 years since I did the course, so I'm cannot give you the
specifics
of what is required."

From this I assumed you where claiming to have taken the "blind
navigation"

Assumptions are dangerous.

test, but your poor description showed that you hadn't. I'm guessing John
made
the same assumption, but possibly also assumed that since this is part of
the
YM, you were claiming to have that also.

Lots of assumptions there!

OK. I'll explain. I was lucky enough to do the shorebased course with a
group of people who all got on very well together. The course consisted of
evening classes in a school room, and it was supposed to take about 6
months. Our teacher's work commitments meant that he postponed many of the
classes, and so the course stretched into a whole year.

During that year, we did two cross channel trips, and a couple of weekends
in the Solent. These trips were much more "educational" than a normal
weekend sail. All sorts of exercises were done, including "blind
navigation", man overboard drills, etc. On the first trip the crews all
swapped boats between each of the three legs so that the non-boat owners
could gain experience.

On the last night of the course, we decided to set up our own club - which
is still going strong. We still occasionaly do "exercises", but the focus
is now firmly on cruising.



Now you're claiming (I think, you still a bit vague) that you never really
took
the test, you were only practicing it with friends.

I never claimed anything else.
I've said repeatedly that I did not take the Practical test. I don't see
what is vague about it.


While you may not have lied
about your YM (something I never claimed), you're still a Putz!


Pah! Look at the subject line!

Are you proud of it?


Regards


Donal
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"Donal" wrote in message
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I don't think I stated an opinion one way or another about whether you had
a YM.
I didn't know for sure what you actually have, not do I care.

Frankly, I wasn't sure John was specifically addressing that when he
suggested
you were a faker. The bottom line is that you suggested you had taken a
certain
test but described it so badly it seemed clear to everyone you never had.
when
pressed you said:

"It's 13-14 years since I did the course, so I'm cannot give you the
specifics
of what is required."

From this I assumed you where claiming to have taken the "blind
navigation"

Assumptions are dangerous.

You were asked to clarify many times - you prefered to be obscure. You invited
"assuptions." Frankly no one cared - it was only your reputation on the line.


test, but your poor description showed that you hadn't. I'm guessing John
made
the same assumption, but possibly also assumed that since this is part of
the
YM, you were claiming to have that also.

Lots of assumptions there!

It was only your reputation on the line - everyone asked you to clarify!



OK. I'll explain. I was lucky enough to do the shorebased course with a
group of people who all got on very well together. The course consisted of
evening classes in a school room, and it was supposed to take about 6
months. Our teacher's work commitments meant that he postponed many of the
classes, and so the course stretched into a whole year.

During that year, we did two cross channel trips, and a couple of weekends
in the Solent. These trips were much more "educational" than a normal
weekend sail. All sorts of exercises were done, including "blind
navigation", man overboard drills, etc. On the first trip the crews all
swapped boats between each of the three legs so that the non-boat owners
could gain experience.

On the last night of the course, we decided to set up our own club - which
is still going strong. We still occasionaly do "exercises", but the focus
is now firmly on cruising.


Good for you. That's a lovely story.



Now you're claiming (I think, you still a bit vague) that you never really
took
the test, you were only practicing it with friends.

I never claimed anything else.
I've said repeatedly that I did not take the Practical test. I don't see
what is vague about it.


So, are you saying that "blind navigation" is part of the practical test? Why
do you insist I should have understood this? You could have taken that portion
of it.

Are you actually claiming that when you said "its been 13 or 14 years since I
took the course" you meant that you took a course that explains what the test
would be if you took a different course? Well, excuse me for not following!



While you may not have lied
about your YM (something I never claimed), you're still a Putz!


Pah! Look at the subject line!

Are you proud of it?


Well, it does sum up your behavior succinctly. Are you denying that you
misrepresented my comments? You lied repeatedly about the "lookout" issue; and
you even lied about this YM thing, since I never questioned whether you had it
or not.

Frankly, your behavior has been that of a jackass, Donal, for which you owe
everyone an apology. You made deliberately vague comments, implying that you
had done "blind navigation"; now 2 weeks later you're saying you never really
did take the test. you just practiced it with friends.

I call you a coward because you deliberately misrepresented what I said, even
when it was pointed out that you were completely wrong. Even if you could claim
that my original words could be misconstrued, I made every effort to clarify
them. But you persisted in lying. For this, I call you a Cowardly Liar. If
the truth bothers you, perhaps you should consider adjusting your behavior.